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06:31:43 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
06:31:43 <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2009
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06:39:16 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
06:39:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doug_Schepers, anthony, ChrisL
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06:41:32 <heycam> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/20090909021345.GA3882@wok.mcc.id.au
06:41:35 <heycam> Chair: Cameron
06:42:00 <anthony> Scribe: anthony
06:42:26 <anthony> Topic: Returning to two telcons per week
06:42:32 <anthony> AG: I say yes
06:42:55 <anthony> CM: ED mentioned we should switch back to two telcons a week
06:43:08 <anthony> ... I feel we're busy with other stuff atm
06:43:54 <anthony> DS: I've been working on other stuff at the moment
06:44:55 <anthony> ... and people have been on vacation
06:45:07 <anthony> ... I don't think an extra telcon a week for the next three weeks
06:45:13 <anthony> ... will help me much
06:45:18 <anthony> ... as I have heaps of stuff to do still
06:45:23 <ChrisL> +1, reconsider after f2f
06:45:41 <anthony> AG: Ok, so maybe we should revisit this after the Open?
06:45:46 <anthony> CM: Ok sounds good to me
06:46:45 <anthony> Topic: SVG Open F2F venue, agenda
06:47:57 <anthony> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009
06:48:53 <anthony> CM: I don't think JW confirmed this in a telcon
06:50:05 <anthony> ... was hoping he'd put some concrete details on the wiki page
06:50:15 <anthony> DS:  It is at Mozilla
06:50:31 <anthony> CL: Making those edits now
06:50:57 <anthony> AG: So turn up 9am on a Sat out the front
06:51:23 <anthony> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/contact.html
06:52:36 <anthony> AG: Just down the road from where we are staying
06:52:46 <anthony> CM: for Agenda I'd like to do a final review of SVG in HTML
06:53:01 <anthony> ... I will try to produce a summary of the current status
06:53:05 <anthony> ... before the meetings
06:53:21 <anthony> ... I told the HTML WG we'd do this at the F2F
06:53:27 <anthony> ... and get back to them with any final issues
06:54:07 <anthony> AG: I'd like to look at the Canvas stuff that Doug split out
06:54:15 <anthony> CL: I'll have been to an XSL meeting
06:54:21 <anthony> ... the week before
06:54:26 <anthony> ... I'd like to report back on that
06:54:47 <anthony> ... bits they are interested in
06:54:53 <anthony> ... is the path syntax that we use
06:54:56 <anthony> ... to produce shapes
06:55:05 <anthony> ... and they want to use our colour management stuff
06:55:30 <ChrisL> s/shapes/shapes to flow their text into/
06:55:54 <anthony> CM: Would be good to look at modules
06:56:06 <anthony> ... and put some stuff into SVG 2.0
06:56:35 <ChrisL> s/management stuff/management stuff, and thirdly webfonts/
06:56:55 <anthony> CL: We can still have errata for 2nd edition
06:58:04 <anthony> ... need to decide if we are going to do about the outstanding errata
06:58:26 <anthony> ... I thought we were shooting to get this done before the Open
06:58:31 <anthony> CM: A few issues
06:58:34 <anthony> .... and tests
06:58:43 <anthony> ... there's still a number of tests to be reviewed
06:58:46 <anthony> ... and we have to approve those
06:58:52 <anthony> ... and generate a new version of the test suite
06:59:02 <anthony> ... As far as the spec goes there's not much else
07:00:11 <anthony> AG: Do you think it's feasible to take some time out
07:00:18 <anthony> ... to get some of the test stuff done
07:00:59 <anthony> CL: It would be good to produce an implementation report for the new tests
07:02:14 <anthony> ... helps to move to recommendation when we can show that various implementations pass those tests
07:02:47 <anthony> CM: I think now at this stage not all tests will be passed by all implementations
07:03:45 <anthony> CL: What we want to show is we haven't done random changes
07:04:19 <anthony> CM: So it's not a concern that not all implementations pass the tests
07:04:38 <anthony> CL: Do we have an idea of how many implementations pass?
07:04:44 <anthony> CM: Most were passed by one
07:05:13 <anthony> ... If they were simple things then I could code them up - if they're not much effort
07:05:33 <anthony> ... I think working on the test suite will take the most time
07:05:39 <anthony> ... once we have everyone in the room
07:09:35 <anthony> ACTION: Cameron to Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting
07:09:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2665 - Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
07:16:03 <anthony> DS: Doug explains Ref tests
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07:27:18 <anthony> Topic: getIntersectionList and getEnclosureList
07:27:25 <anthony> http://www.w3.org/mid/20090908070015.GG20854@wok.mcc.id.au
07:27:33 <anthony> CM: Looking into these two methods
07:27:43 <anthony> ... and came across an email
07:28:01 <anthony> ... and created an issue from it
07:28:25 <anthony> ... email was from Thomas
07:28:39 <anthony> ... from the test in the description in the methods
07:28:40 <ChrisL> (anthony, text-tspan-02-b.svg is now reviewed, wiki updated)
07:28:44 <anthony> ... the second argument is not clear
07:30:00 <anthony> ... the spec says the elements drawn underneath are only applicable for the method
07:30:03 <anthony> ... or something like that
07:30:12 <anthony> ... which is unclear
07:30:14 <heycam> "If not null, then only return elements whose drawing order has them below the given reference element."
07:30:39 <anthony> AG: I'd interpret that as painters algorithm
07:30:41 <anthony> ... but I could be wrong
07:32:02 <anthony> CM: Batik has interpreted that as visually painted underneath
07:32:20 <anthony> ... I'm not sure why that would be useful
07:32:33 <anthony> ... the other way of interpreting it is the root of the sub tree
07:33:05 <anthony> ... my guess is that the intention was to use that element as the sub root restriction
07:34:04 <anthony> AG: I guess it makes sense if you know roughly where the thing you're looking for is
07:34:22 <anthony> CM: Does anyone know off hand if these two are implemented in Opera
07:35:01 <anthony> ... I know it's not implemented in Webkit or Firefox
07:35:40 <anthony> ... I guess we can discuss this later when ED and JW are around
07:37:18 <anthony> DS: I think if these aren't widely implemented we should consider
07:37:28 <anthony> ... how to make them more user friendly for SVG 2
07:37:51 <anthony> CL: Is it because it's worded poorly, or is it because it doesn't seem useful
07:37:56 <anthony> ... we need to find out why
07:38:15 <anthony> ... it would be good to find out what the reason was why it wasn't implemented
07:38:43 <anthony> DS: If it's not implemented it also gives us an opportunity to figure out if this is what people want to do
07:39:33 <anthony> ... we could see if there's a better way of doing something
07:39:50 <anthony> Topic: XSLT output dispatching load event
07:40:28 <anthony> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386856#c6
07:41:19 <anthony> CM: Perhaps we can use the DOM content loaded event
07:41:26 <anthony> ... that gets fired when all of the markup is present
07:41:34 <anthony> ... once everything is run
07:41:42 <anthony> ... and the last tag is parsed
07:42:06 <anthony> DL: It started in Firefox
07:42:17 <anthony> CM: I think other browsers have implemented that as well
07:42:48 <anthony> AG: So you're thinking if we had that
07:43:05 <anthony> ... then XSLT could be dispatched after that event is fired
07:43:52 <anthony> CM: Yeah, whether the XSLT is created as it is serialised or after everything is loaded
07:43:59 <anthony> ... as long as they look the same
07:44:31 <anthony> ... I looked HTML 5 spec and this issue is pretty much unspecified
07:45:37 <anthony> CL: they say either way is fine
07:45:51 <anthony> ... We're not going to get much luck in getting in there
07:46:14 <anthony> ... it needs to be in neither spec actually
07:46:28 <anthony> ... my preference is the content author doesn't care which way it's done
07:47:18 <anthony> CM: Normally when you run the document scripts are run as you parse
07:47:32 <anthony> ... then you have the problem if the scripts are run after everything is parsed
07:48:16 <anthony> ... I wrote a test and it seems I was testing slightly the wrong thing
07:48:26 <anthony> ... but the load event gets dispatched to the window object
07:48:31 <anthony> ... for the XSLT output
07:49:36 <anthony> ... with a load event being dispatched to the window object with HTML
07:49:42 <anthony> ... SVG we don't really have that
07:49:46 <anthony> ... it's dispatched to the element
07:49:56 <anthony> ... so that's where our problems come in
07:54:12 <anthony> ACTION: Cameron to Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire
07:54:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2666 - Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
07:54:24 <heycam> ACTION-2666: make an issue for it too
07:54:24 <trackbot> ACTION-2666 Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire notes added
07:56:37 <heycam> action: cameron to ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion
07:56:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2667 - Ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
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08:00:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Schepers, [IPcaller], anthony, heycam, ChrisL
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08:01:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html anthony
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