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15:00:58 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
15:00:58 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
15:01:04 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:01:16 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:01:25 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
15:01:25 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
15:01:28 <Steven> John, it is easier than that
15:01:59 <Steven> If you say "trackbot, start telecon" it does all the magic for you
15:02:03 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:03:11 <ebruchez> zakim, who is here
15:03:11 <Zakim> ebruchez, you need to end that query with '?'
15:03:18 <ebruchez> zakim, who is here?
15:03:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.650.919.aaaa, wiecha, John_Boyer
15:03:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, ebruchez, wiecha, Steven, trackbot
15:03:28 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0007.html
15:03:31 <ebruchez> zakim, +1.650.919.aaaa is ebruchez
15:03:31 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:03:32 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:03:37 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Nick
15:03:50 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0007.html
15:04:53 <ebruchez> I am here
15:05:00 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:05:32 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
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15:06:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:06:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:06:14 <Zakim> +Steven
15:06:36 <Zakim> -Steven
15:06:47 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:06:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:06:48 <Zakim> +Steven
15:08:38 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:08:46 <Steven> John: Charlie is chairing next week
15:09:05 <Steven> John: We have a virtual meeting Oct 1
15:09:24 <Steven> ... and then 4 actual FtF days in November
15:09:38 <Steven> ... therefore the virtual day may be better after the TPAC week
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15:10:16 <Steven> Steven: Sounds reasonable
15:10:44 <ebruchez> back
15:11:05 <Zakim> + +1.307.544.aabb
15:11:24 <unl> zakim, +1.307.544.aabb is me
15:11:24 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:12:09 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:12:09 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:12:20 <Steven> John: December 3rd would be possible
15:13:10 <Steven> John: Any objections?
15:13:18 <Steven> [Silence]
15:14:02 <Steven> John: Any preferences for Nov 19th?
15:14:12 <Steven> Steven: For me slight preference for Nov 19
15:14:21 <Steven> ... more time for follow up actions
15:15:22 <Steven> Steven: We must think about rechartering by the way
15:16:01 <ebruchez> Scribe: ebruchez
15:16:03 <Steven> John: OK, we'll reschedule the 1 Oct for Nov 19
15:16:14 <wiecha> steven -- is there an agenda for wednesday of TPAC???
15:16:25 <wiecha> don't see any links on the call for participation page
15:16:53 <ebruchez> Steven: PR votes went well, 23 public results, 1 private. This is a good response with big names.
15:17:45 <ebruchez> John: We can expect a vote from EMC as well.
15:19:41 <ebruchez> Leigh: Re Relax NG schema, we talked about decoupling it from the PR transition by adding a non-normative section pointing to the schema.
15:20:57 <ebruchez> Steven: Just adding that section pointing to an initial RNG schema, saying it is not part of XForms, should be fine.
15:22:58 <ebruchez> Steven: When we make the transition, we need to mention that we forgot this non-normative link to the schema.
15:23:10 <John_Boyer> ACTION: John to add informative RelaxNG schema link to XForms 1.1 for Rec transition.
15:23:10 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:23:10 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:23:35 <Zakim> -Steven
15:23:48 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:23:48 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:23:49 <Zakim> +Steven
15:23:50 <ebruchez> Topic: Updating the Puzzle Piece Image
15:25:13 <ebruchez> John: That image on the group's page (http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/) has been there for years. It includes WML. We got asked where the WML-based implementations are. 
15:26:13 <ebruchez> John: Instead of WML, it seems reasonable to put ODF. I can update the image. Is there any objection?
15:26:40 <ebruchez> Charlie: Good idea.
15:27:18 <ebruchez> John: It does not appear in the spec.
15:28:42 <ebruchez> ACTION: Steven to update the "puzzle" image appearing on "The Forms Working Group" home page to replace WML with ODF.
15:28:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-564 - Update the "puzzle" image appearing on "The Forms Working Group" home page to replace WML with ODF. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-09-16].
15:29:51 <ebruchez> Topic: Events calendar
15:30:04 <ebruchez> John: ...
15:30:16 <John_Boyer> no work needed on this since our main days overlap TPAC
15:31:08 <ebruchez> Steven: I wanted to bring up the DOM 3 spec, in which we should show interest.
15:31:18 <ebruchez> John: Was thinking we could discuss this next week.
15:31:40 <ebruchez> Topic: Issue with inputmode
15:33:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2009Sep/0034.html
15:34:18 <ebruchez> John: It seems that Martin is not accepting our view of the world ;)
15:35:54 <ebruchez> Steven: He thinks Inputmode should be well-defined and implemented even at cost. I am not sure what the issue is: we say the attribute is normative, but its value is not.
15:36:54 <ebruchez> John: Which means we are not going to test it as part as the advancement of the spec. And this conversation is occurring in last call.
15:39:07 <Steven> I asked,and he replied: 
15:39:08 <Steven> > Would this satisfy you for now?
15:39:08 <Steven> More or less, I guess. 
15:39:09 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:39:31 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:39:35 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:40:12 <Steven> So in private mail with Martin, he said he was satisfied with our suggested plan
15:40:20 <Steven> he forwarded it to a member-only list
15:40:39 <Steven> 1) Make inputmode case insensitive
15:40:48 <Steven> 2) Not change the normativeness of the values
15:41:00 <Steven> 3) Make the other editorial changes he poiints out
15:41:18 <Steven> s/ii/i/
15:42:41 <ebruchez> Scribe: ebruchez
15:43:38 <John_Boyer> In response to the question of any discrepancy between XForms 1.1 and 1.0 (and the XHTML input mode module) there are two important notes:
15:44:02 <John_Boyer> First, the change to case-insensitive does not make any 1.0 documents non-conformant.  It is a broadening change.
15:44:48 <John_Boyer> Second, regardless of what may have been specified in the past, case-sensitivity is an error relative to the Unicode specs we are relying upon for these keywords.  They specify case-insensitve comparison, and we are aligning to that
15:45:47 <ebruchez> ACTION: John to change XForms 1.1 to case-insensitive input mode and make other editorial changes suggested by Martin.
15:45:47 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:45:47 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:46:21 <ebruchez> Topic: PR advancement and testimonials
15:49:49 <ebruchez> John: Member organizations casting a vote can update section 7 of the voting form. You can actually select more of those checkboxes.
15:51:16 <ebruchez> Erik: We will update the voting page.
15:52:43 <ebruchez> John: I have received 4 testimonials so far, from non-W3C members. That does not include those by implementors.
15:53:28 <ebruchez> Steven: Besides group members, I suppose EMC would be willing.
15:55:05 <ebruchez> John: How do we organize the collection of the testimonials?
15:55:41 <ebruchez> Steven: Ian will probably collect them, let's ask him.
15:58:43 <ebruchez> John: You can send testimonials to me or Steven.
16:00:56 <ebruchez> ACTION: John to check-in the Relax NG schema.
16:00:56 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:00:56 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:01:13 <Zakim> -Steven
16:02:32 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0003.html
16:03:04 <ebruchez> Topic: Test suite issue
16:04:05 <ebruchez> John: Email from Joern Turner. First thing to check is whether this test is still part of the suite.
16:04:55 <wiecha> we don't reference 3.3.1.c3 on the PR implementation report
16:05:08 <ebruchez> Leigh: What's our situation on chameleon schema?
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16:06:14 <ebruchez> Leigh: I am sending the schemas now. No link to the non-namespace versions.
16:08:25 <wiecha> but is in the raw reports from Chiba and EMC
16:08:35 <klotz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0010.html but the archive web page has the RNC files inline.  I will re-send as a ZIP attachment.
16:09:59 <ebruchez> ACTION: Nick to remove test 3.3.1.c3 from XF11_03_Results.xml, as per Joern's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0003.html
16:09:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-565 - Remove test 3.3.1.c3 from XF11_03_Results.xml, as per Joern's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Sep/0003.html [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2009-09-16].
16:11:30 <Zakim> -wiecha
16:11:31 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
16:11:32 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:11:33 <ebruchez> zakim, make minutes
16:11:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', ebruchez
16:11:37 <Zakim> -unl
16:11:53 <ebruchez> rssagent, make minutes
16:12:19 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:12:21 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:12:22 <Zakim> Attendees were wiecha, John_Boyer, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Steven, unl
16:13:12 <ebruchez> rssagent, make minutes
16:14:59 <ebruchez> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-forms-minutes.html ebruchez
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