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18:53:08 <aphillips> zakim, this will be I18N
18:53:08 <Zakim> ok, aphillips; I see I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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18:53:25 <aphillips> Meeting: Internationalization Teleconference
18:53:29 <aphillips> Chair: Addison Phillips
18:53:33 <aphillips> Scribe: Addison Phillips
18:53:38 <aphillips> ScribeNick: aphillips
18:53:45 <David> David has joined #core
18:53:55 <aphillips> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2009Sep/0012.html
18:54:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
18:54:15 <David> early start?
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19:00:50 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM has now started
19:00:56 <Zakim> +??P7
19:01:12 <David> Zakim, ??P7 is David
19:01:12 <Zakim> +David; got it
19:01:13 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
19:01:13 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
19:01:14 <Zakim> +Richard
19:01:46 <Zakim> + +1.408.790.aaaa
19:02:14 <aphillips> Regrets: YvesS
19:02:40 <Zakim> +??P0
19:05:24 <aphillips> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
19:05:30 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
19:05:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see David, Richard, aphillips, Felix (muted)
19:05:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillips, r12a
19:05:38 <aphillips> Topic: Action Items
19:05:49 <aphillips> Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue
19:05:57 <aphillips> addison: set up document edit transition with dan for ws-i18n 
19:06:08 <aphillips> richard: publish i18n-guide-frameword as (retired, obsolete) WD 
19:06:16 <aphillips> DONE
19:06:24 <aphillips> David: coordinate getting new dst scheduling 
19:06:30 <aphillips> IN PROGRESS
19:07:21 <aphillips> david: please sent any 100% bad days/times so I can offer palatable alternatives
19:07:27 <aphillips> Richard: publish bidi techniquest document 
19:07:32 <aphillips> DONE
19:07:46 <aphillips> all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly) 
19:08:08 <aphillips> Topic: Info Share
19:08:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
19:08:26 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/planet/
19:08:42 <aphillips> richard: our planeti18n page now aggregates twitter streams
19:09:02 <aphillips> ... and I heard that DOM3 text events is headed for LC
19:09:11 <aphillips> ... want us to look at it, especially keyevents
19:09:21 <aphillips> ... has changes some, but perhaps not a lot??
19:10:19 <aphillips> addison: rfc5646 is published
19:10:33 <fsasaki> congrats!
19:11:06 <aphillips> Topic: HTML5 Review
19:11:18 <aphillips> chair: anything we want to cover this week?
19:11:33 <aphillips> ... adminishment to look at the document for next week
19:11:47 <aphillips> Topic: IRI vs. URI, ws/wss URI scheme
19:11:58 <Zakim> -David
19:11:59 <aphillips>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JulSep/0072.html
19:12:35 <fsasaki> addison: ws/wss comes out of HTML5
19:13:07 <fsasaki> .. a web service URI scheme, to ask something on a server, without using e.g. HTTP
19:13:18 <fsasaki> .. for a new URI scheme you need to register it with IANA
19:13:41 <fsasaki> .. I saw discussions on the URI list
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19:14:05 <fsasaki> .. Hixie is author of internet draft requesting reservation for the scheme
19:14:21 <fsasaki> .. Hixie wants the scheme to be an IRI, but the registry is for URI schemes
19:14:23 <Zakim> +??P2
19:14:39 <fsasaki> .. so problem is how to achieve that
19:14:54 <DavidClarke> zakim ??p2 is David
19:15:06 <fsasaki> .. IRI is not prepared for handy referencing from URI perspective
19:15:22 <DavidClarke> zakim, ??P2 is David
19:15:22 <Zakim> +David; got it
19:15:41 <fsasaki> .. if you have an IRI, there are mechanisms to get to URI space
19:15:52 <fsasaki> .. but not all URIs are IRIs
19:16:05 <fsasaki> .. so it is a problem of mapping from IRI to URI
19:16:28 <fsasaki> .. this is not only the ws scheme proposal, but also e.g. the widgets scheme
19:16:39 <aphillips> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JulSep/0041.html
19:17:13 <fsasaki> .. see discussion above, similar problem
19:17:27 <fsasaki> richard: is that not described in IRI spec?
19:17:34 <fsasaki> addison: there is no abnf for that
19:17:41 <fsasaki> .. and there is a lot of text about it
19:18:09 <fsasaki> ... is it just unclear how the reference should be
19:18:53 <aphillips> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt
19:18:54 <fsasaki> .. e..g there is sec. 7 and 5 different ways to do the URI / IRI processing, normalization etc.
19:19:37 <fsasaki> richard: that is an informative section
19:19:43 <fsasaki> addison: yes
19:27:06 <aphillips> ACTION: addison: reply to art barstow on the widgets issues
19:27:28 <aphillips> ACTION: addison: reply to uri@, etc. on ws scheme issue recommending reference to section 3
19:27:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
19:27:54 <aphillips> Topic: Bidi publication
19:28:06 <aphillips> congratulations
19:28:59 <aphillips> Topic: CharReq
19:29:19 <aphillips> richard: sent a message to martin and some others
19:29:37 <aphillips> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2009Sep/0009.html
19:30:09 <aphillips> richard: if everyone happy we could publish soon
19:30:12 <aphillips> ... let's go through
19:30:15 <aphillips> ... mostly about links
19:30:31 <aphillips> richard: css2 link
19:30:54 <aphillips> I did this, but the generic latest version URI points to CSS2.1, not CSS2.  The choice was to use a dated URI or change the text of the reference to say that this points to a Candidate Rec with a different name.  I figured that the latter might be less complicated for the reader, so I did that.  I have to say, it seems like an odd situation that a generic URI that pointed to a Rec now points to a CR, but there you go.
19:31:02 <aphillips> (quoted from email)
19:31:04 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/Group/charreq-edit/
19:31:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-charreq
19:32:20 <aphillips> link to 2.0 now redirects to 2.1
19:32:46 <r12a> The wording of the 1998 version remains unchanged (except for correction of a small number of typographic errors), but the links to references have been updated prior to this publication.
19:32:46 <aphillips> This document is being published as a Working Group note in order to capture and preserve historical information. It contains requirements elaborated in 1998 for aspects of the character model for W3C specifications. It was developed and extensively reviewed by the Internationalization Working Group, and is being published by its successor, the Internationalization Core Working Group, part of the W3C Internationalization Activity. The wording of the 1998 ver
19:33:23 <aphillips> addison: good
19:34:04 <aphillips> richard: that explains how we can ref css2.1 when doc written in 1998
19:35:03 <aphillips> addison: just references specs that use unicode... so okay
19:35:23 <aphillips> richard: iso6937... change to 6937-2001
19:36:01 <aphillips> ... martin also gave alternative for 8859-1 refs
19:36:16 <aphillips> okay
19:36:34 <aphillips> updated 10646 to 2003 ver
19:36:36 <aphillips> okay
19:37:24 <aphillips> updated RFC refs
19:37:39 <aphillips> unicode ref: generic reference to ver 5.1
19:37:54 <aphillips> okay
19:38:10 <aphillips> either 3986 or 2396?
19:38:14 <aphillips> stuck in 3986
19:39:10 <aphillips> okay
19:39:40 <aphillips> xml: doesn't say 5e, but that's the link
19:39:41 <aphillips> okay
19:40:44 <aphillips> published vs. produced for patent policy...
19:41:27 <r12a> A need for specifications in the areas addressed by this document has directly been expressed by (in particular at the "Query Language Meeting" in April 1998 in Brisbane) the following W3C Working Groups or specifications: 
19:42:12 <aphillips> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/9804/querylanguages.html
19:42:18 <aphillips> that link is [MO]
19:42:51 <aphillips> richard: just remove the link, since minutes from that meeting are kind of stale and not that germane any more?
19:43:01 <aphillips> ... or just remove the ref altogheter
19:43:07 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/9804/querylanguages.html
19:43:32 <aphillips> david: could just mention generically ("there was a query language meeting back in 1998...")
19:44:23 <aphillips> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-cg/1998AprJun/0043.html
19:45:18 <aphillips> richard: if no objections, then wait for Martin to express happiness and the proceed to publish?
19:45:41 <aphillips> This document is being published as a Working Group note in order to capture and preserve historical information. It contains requirements elaborated in 1998 for aspects of the character model for W3C specifications. It was developed and extensively reviewed by the Internationalization Working Group, and is being published by its successor, the Internationalization Core Working Group, part of the W3C Internationalization Activity. The wording of the 1998 ver
19:45:55 <r12a> Comments on this document can be sent to www-international@w3.org (publicly archived), but it should be borne in mind that the note is being published to preserve historical information, and the viewpoints expressed in the document should be considered in that light. 
19:46:29 <aphillips> "cool"
19:46:52 <aphillips> chair: resolution to publish provided that Martin is happy?
19:47:00 <fsasaki> +1
19:47:03 <aphillips> +1
19:47:06 <r12a> +1
19:47:16 <DavidClarke> +1
19:47:23 <aphillips> motion carried
19:47:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
19:49:03 <aphillips> Topic: Working with Time Zones, Language Tags
19:49:21 <aphillips>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2009Jul/0017.html
19:50:07 <aphillips> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones
19:50:25 <aphillips> comment up to 1.5
19:50:52 <aphillips> Topic: AOB?
19:51:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
19:51:32 <Zakim> -aphillips
19:51:34 <Zakim> -Felix
19:51:37 <Zakim> -David
19:51:40 <Zakim> -Richard
19:51:41 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()3:00PM has ended
19:51:42 <Zakim> Attendees were David, Richard, +1.408.790.aaaa, aphillips, Felix
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20:01:03 <aphillips> zakim, bye
20:01:03 <Zakim> Zakim has left #core
20:01:09 <aphillips> rrsagent, make minutes
20:01:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-minutes.html aphillips
20:01:13 <aphillips> rrsagent, bye
20:01:13 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-actions.rdf :
20:01:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: reply to art barstow on the widgets issues [1]
20:01:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-irc#T19-27-06
20:01:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: reply to uri@, etc. on ws scheme issue recommending reference to section 3 [2]
20:01:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-core-irc#T19-27-28