IRC log of mediaann on 2009-09-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-irc
- 11:50:58 [wbailer]
- Zakim, this will be MAWG
- 11:50:58 [Zakim]
- ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- 11:53:07 [florian]
- hi thierry!
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- IA_MAWG()8:00AM has now started
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- + +329331aaaa
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- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'were am I'
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- 11:56:14 [fsasaki]
- scribe: fsasaki
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html
- 11:56:43 [fsasaki]
- chair: Daniel
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- meeting: MAWG
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- + +49.300.aabb
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- trackbot, start teleco
- 11:58:30 [trackbot]
- Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start teleco'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
- 11:58:32 [raphael]
- trackbot, start telecon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be MAWG
- 11:58:37 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
- 11:58:38 [trackbot]
- Date: 08 September 2009
- 11:58:52 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 11:58:59 [Zakim]
- + +49.851.509.aacc
- 11:59:02 [tobias]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
- 11:59:02 [Zakim]
- +tobias; got it
- 11:59:09 [florian]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 11:59:09 [Zakim]
- +florian; got it
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- +??P5
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- + +82.10.58.00.aadd
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- + +95385aaee
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- + +43.316.876.aaff
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- 12:00:13 [wbailer]
- zakim, aaff is wbailer
- 12:00:13 [Zakim]
- +wbailer; got it
- 12:00:25 [tmichel]
- hello thierry joined
- 12:00:27 [wonsuk]
- Zakim, +82.10.58.00.aadd is me
- 12:00:27 [Zakim]
- +wonsuk; got it
- 12:00:42 [tmichel]
- I am not sure Daniel can make it to the call
- 12:00:52 [joakim]
- zakim, this is mawg
- 12:00:52 [Zakim]
- joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()8:00AM
- 12:00:53 [Zakim]
- ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()8:00AM
- 12:01:13 [Zakim]
- + +46.1.07.19.aagg
- 12:01:16 [joakim]
- I can do it
- 12:01:27 [tmichel]
- Joakim can you Chair on behalf of Daniel ?
- 12:01:36 [fsasaki]
- present: joakim, chris, tobias, wonsuk, raphael, fsasaki, tmichel, florian, wbailer
- 12:01:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
- 12:01:42 [chris]
- Zakim, +329331aaaa is me
- 12:01:44 [Zakim]
- +chris; got it
- 12:02:08 [tmichel]
- Thanks for Chairing at last minute, Joakim
- 12:02:19 [joakim]
- :-)
- 12:04:22 [tmichel]
- agenda
- 12:04:25 [tmichel]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0015.html
- 12:04:28 [fsasaki]
- topic: agenda
- 12:04:39 [fsasaki]
- chair: joakim
- 12:04:58 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-mediaann-minutes.html
- 12:05:18 [fsasaki]
- last weeks minutes approved
- 12:05:26 [raphael]
- +1 for accepting the minutes
- 12:05:44 [raphael]
- I can scribe it
- 12:05:56 [joakim]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 12:05:56 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +49.300.aabb
- 12:06:08 [fsasaki]
- scribe for next meeting will be raphael
- 12:06:20 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
- 12:06:26 [tmichel]
- raphael to scribe next week
- 12:06:49 [fsasaki]
- topic: action items
- 12:07:21 [fsasaki]
- ai 124 pending
- 12:07:54 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-134, ACTION-135 pending
- 12:08:44 [joakim]
- http://www.ebu.ch/metadata/cs/web/ebu_RoleCodeCS_p.xml.htm
- 12:08:54 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-136 . Joakim looked at tvanytime document, seems to be useful. Question: can we us it?
- 12:09:05 [fsasaki]
- werner: we should just reference the document
- 12:09:06 [Zakim]
- - +46.1.07.19.aagg
- 12:09:31 [fsasaki]
- werner: question: are the subtypes normative or just a recommended list?
- 12:09:41 [Zakim]
- + +46.1.07.17.aahh
- 12:10:28 [fsasaki]
- s/us it/use it/
- 12:10:53 [raphael]
- Which type of list we are talking about ? the genre ?
- 12:11:03 [fsasaki]
- werner: EBU-list is quite comprehensive, people could use just a subset of these
- 12:11:04 [wbailer]
- roles
- 12:11:25 [raphael]
- is TV Anytime defining these roles as MPEG-7 CS as in the old time ?
- 12:11:31 [fsasaki]
- joakim: keep ACTION-136 open for now
- 12:11:39 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-147
- 12:11:55 [wbailer]
- raphael, ebu has these lists also as skos now
- 12:11:58 [raphael]
- ACTION-147?
- 12:11:58 [trackbot]
- ACTION-147 -- Thierry Michel to check status of Web IDL for web api's -- due 2009-07-03 -- OPEN
- 12:11:58 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/147
- 12:11:58 [fsasaki]
- thierry: sent a message to doug from webapp WG
- 12:12:18 [raphael]
- wow, great move for EBU :-)
- 12:12:42 [fsasaki]
- thierry: webIDL is just a working draft so far, they need us and other working groups who use it
- 12:13:05 [fsasaki]
- .. doug says currently webIDL is used by HTML5, plan is to use it also for DOM3 events
- 12:13:31 [fsasaki]
- .. summary: status is still unclear, but it is being used
- 12:14:05 [fsasaki]
- .. webIDL provides ecmascript and javascript bindings and it is easier to user than IDL. My conclusion is that we should investigate into that spec
- 12:14:11 [chris]
- +1
- 12:14:17 [florian]
- +1
- 12:14:21 [fsasaki]
- +1
- 12:14:24 [wbailer]
- +1
- 12:14:27 [wonsuk]
- +1
- 12:15:03 [fsasaki]
- thierry: only drawback is that web IDL is not fully stable yet
- 12:15:20 [raphael]
- isnt't that a chicken-egg problem?
- 12:16:13 [fsasaki]
- thierry: I could check how much HTML5 is using web IDL
- 12:17:12 [fsasaki]
- joakim: who knows web IDL or IDL ?
- 12:17:29 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: I don't know web IDL, it could be a problem for preparing the API draft
- 12:17:48 [chris]
- Victor has come up with an IDL version of the API some weeks ago
- 12:17:49 [tobias]
- I don't have knowledge about WebIDL either.
- 12:18:04 [florian]
- yes he should be familiar with it
- 12:18:15 [chris]
- I don't have knowledge on it but plan to go through the spec
- 12:19:50 [raphael]
- WebIDL: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/
- 12:20:07 [florian]
- i can also look into it and help specifying
- 12:20:35 [fsasaki]
- thierry: two or three people should look into web IDL before we decide about using it
- 12:21:09 [fsasaki]
- florian: victor has a good knowledge about IDL
- 12:21:24 [fsasaki]
- thierry: yes, victor should be in this task group
- 12:21:44 [fsasaki]
- action: thierry to look into web idl with victor and others
- 12:21:44 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-152 - Look into web idl with victor and others [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-09-15].
- 12:22:15 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-147
- 12:22:27 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-148
- 12:22:41 [fsasaki]
- s/ACTION-147//
- 12:23:00 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: big issue is that we have to decide what kind of API is better
- 12:23:32 [fsasaki]
- ... the related issues are on our agenda, want to discuss about them later
- 12:23:58 [fsasaki]
- joakim: I think style a), very simple, is an advantage
- 12:24:40 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: would like to know other people thinking who were not at the f2f
- 12:25:11 [joakim]
- we need to have a decision on this soon
- 12:26:34 [fsasaki]
- chris: not clear to everybody what the API is that we have in mind
- 12:26:41 [florian]
- +1 @ chris
- 12:26:43 [fsasaki]
- .. the strawman API on the wiki is a bit fuzzy
- 12:27:03 [fsasaki]
- .. maybe we can come up with a first version of the API document and see what the other people think of it
- 12:27:09 [raphael]
- I would support Chris/Florian proposal for the API document, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html
- 12:27:19 [fsasaki]
- joakim: so we need it more concrete before making a decision
- 12:27:21 [fsasaki]
- chris: yes
- 12:27:40 [florian]
- also Tobias and Vero made comments to the document
- 12:27:42 [raphael]
- I thought Victor worked on that? Should we ask him on the list what is the status of his work?
- 12:28:46 [fsasaki]
- florian: victor plans more work on API document. Maybe he could give us some clues about in which direction we should go
- 12:29:43 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: propose that we prepare the API document and also contact victor, in parallel
- 12:30:05 [fsasaki]
- joakim: yes, we don't have too much time, so good to continue working
- 12:31:21 [fsasaki]
- joakim: need somebody to push the API document forward
- 12:31:37 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: I will contact victor, I am working with him in the MPEG WG too
- 12:31:51 [tobias]
- Chris also volunteered in his email to contribute: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0016.html
- 12:32:49 [chris]
- and I shall
- 12:33:07 [tobias]
- :-)
- 12:33:12 [florian]
- +1 :)
- 12:33:23 [joakim]
- get-mawg-unstructured-value
- 12:34:27 [joakim]
- or get-mawg-Creator
- 12:35:17 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk describing different feedback about his proposals for API structure. not sure how to move forward, we need a decision which way to go
- 12:35:48 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: want to know vote of people on the call: what do they want?
- 12:36:17 [fsasaki]
- .. prepare the abstract description of the API and make the concrete proposal later
- 12:36:20 [fsasaki]
- .. is that right?
- 12:36:47 [fsasaki]
- joakim: problem is that people are not quite sure about what we are taking a decision: a function for each property or not
- 12:37:13 [raphael]
- I suggest to put himself in the body of the developer using MAWG API
- 12:37:53 [raphael]
- ... get-mawg-Creator (or a function for any annotation property) is useful, I can't see the use case for a get-mawg-unstructured-value function
- 12:38:33 [fsasaki]
- raphael: API should be just useful for a common developer
- 12:38:53 [fsasaki]
- .. for each function we should wonder how it would be useful for the developer
- 12:39:22 [fsasaki]
- .. any function which is related to an annotation property in the ontology seems to be useful
- 12:40:31 [fsasaki]
- joakim: an API with names of functions which are directly related to properties in the ontology are easy to understand, abstraction might be more difficult for finding out which property is meant
- 12:40:36 [fsasaki]
- raphael: exactly
- 12:41:11 [fsasaki]
- joakim: wonsuk, could you continue the work with the output of this discussion
- 12:42:48 [fsasaki]
- joakim: wonsuk, could you try to formulate an API definition for the draft
- 12:42:50 [fsasaki]
- wonsuk: yes
- 12:43:29 [fsasaki]
- topic: API related questions
- 12:43:37 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Aug/0000.html
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- 12:45:10 [fsasaki]
- felix: happy with the discussion today, now waiting for how the draft from wonsuk will look. language tag issue will come up later
- 12:45:11 [raphael]
- Thanks for the 3 reviews received from Felix, Werner, and Veronique
- 12:45:50 [fsasaki]
- raphael: many thanks for the comments, the media fragments WG will discuss the comments tomorrow
- 12:46:10 [fsasaki]
- .. the document has been split into use case part and the core specification
- 12:46:20 [fsasaki]
- .. the later will be a Recommendation.
- 12:46:30 [fsasaki]
- .. thanks for the comments again, we will provide answers soon
- 12:46:33 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-152
- 12:46:33 [trackbot]
- ACTION-152 Look into web idl with victor and others closed
- 12:46:48 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-150
- 12:46:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-150 Review the Media Fragments WD closed
- 12:46:50 [wbailer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Sep/0006.html
- 12:47:44 [fsasaki]
- ACTION-151
- 12:48:07 [fsasaki]
- werner: wrote some comments, any feedback?
- 12:48:24 [raphael]
- I guess ACTION-152 should not have been closed right ?
- 12:48:25 [fsasaki]
- action: joakim to look into comments from werner on PFWG review
- 12:48:25 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-153 - Look into comments from werner on PFWG review [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-09-15].
- 12:49:15 [fsasaki]
- topic: Digital Data Exchange
- 12:49:39 [fsasaki]
- werner: the work seems to be around music
- 12:49:56 [fsasaki]
- .. maybe dave could give a comment about whether it makes sense to have a liaison
- 12:50:16 [raphael]
- +1 to ask the relationship with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc
- 12:50:43 [fsasaki]
- action: joakim to ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc
- 12:50:43 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-154 - Ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-09-15].
- 12:51:40 [fsasaki]
- meeting adjourned
- 12:51:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/08-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:51:47 [joakim]
- :-)
- 12:51:56 [Zakim]
- -wbailer
- 12:51:57 [joakim]
- bye
- 12:51:57 [Zakim]
- - +49.300.aabb
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- -florian
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- -chris
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- -Felix
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- -Joakim
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- -tobias
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- -wonsuk
- 12:52:28 [Zakim]
- - +95385aaee
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- IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +49.300.aabb, +49.851.509.aacc, tobias, florian, Felix, +95385aaee, +43.316.876.aaff, wbailer, wonsuk, +46.1.07.19.aagg, chris, Joakim
- 12:54:35 [florian]
- bye bye
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