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13:28:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:28:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:28:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:28:34 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2009
13:28:37 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0000.html
13:28:41 <francois> Chair: Jo
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13:30:01 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started
13:30:08 <Zakim> +Kai_Dietrich
13:30:13 <cgi-irc> zakim, code?
13:30:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), cgi-irc
13:30:50 <Zakim> +adam
13:31:06 <Zakim> + +3531522aaaa
13:31:14 <jo> zakim, aaaa is me
13:31:14 <Zakim> +jo; got it
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13:31:43 <Zakim> +??P3
13:31:48 <francois> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:31:48 <Zakim> +francois; got it
13:32:22 <Zakim> +EdC
13:32:48 <Zakim> +jeffs
13:33:31 <francois> Regrets: tomhume
13:34:07 <jeffs> sigh, okay me
13:34:16 <jeffs> yah! kai
13:34:21 <Kai> scribe: Kai
13:34:33 <jo> zakim, who is here?
13:34:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kai_Dietrich, adam, jo, francois, EdC, jeffs
13:34:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffs, EdC, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kai, jo, francois, trackbot
13:35:07 <Zakim> -jeffs
13:35:18 <Kai> Jo:  Apologies for not not haviing everything ready
13:35:39 <Zakim> +jeffs
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13:35:50 <Kai> Topic:?
13:36:04 <Kai> Topic: MWBP 2
13:36:13 <Kai> Adam:  getting there
13:36:39 <Kai> Jo: why don't you do the editorial stuff in the mean time
13:36:41 <francois> s/Topic:?//
13:36:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:37:01 <yeliz> zakim, +[IPcaller] is yeliz
13:37:01 <Zakim> sorry, yeliz, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
13:37:05 <Kai> Topic: MWBP 1.5
13:37:17 <yeliz> zakim, [IPcaller] is yeliz
13:37:17 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
13:37:23 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
13:37:24 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
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13:38:15 <Zakim> + +47.47.343.aabb - is perhaps PhilA
13:38:26 <francois> kai: I will process the updates and convert the document to a regular and consistent HTML document.
13:38:32 <PhilA2> Hello, that sounds like Kai
13:38:37 <francois> jo: Do we need another editorial session?
13:39:01 <francois> kai: not for the time being, let me clean it up, and let's discuss the result with the group.
13:39:57 <Kai> Topic:  CT DRaft
13:40:04 <PhilA2> zakim, mute me
13:40:04 <Zakim> PhilA should now be muted
13:40:40 <Kai> jo:  life is a bit crazy after the holiday.  Francois, you have some actions to tidy up.  Status?
13:40:57 <Kai> francois: was waiting on the latest version to do it only once.
13:41:24 <Kai> jo:  I need to get back into it.  Want to do it by Friday...
13:42:13 <Kai> francois: there are two topics for discussion.  1) comment from Graham Klein, from ITS,  2) the crossside scripting tests that Chaals provided
13:42:26 <francois> s/Klein/Klyne
13:42:42 <Kai> jo: Klein's comments should be covered by the latest draft.  Need to review that.
13:43:00 <Kai> s/Klein/Klyne
13:43:35 <Kai> Jo: we can't prove through tests that crosside scripting is not a problem
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13:43:59 <Kai> francois: 80% of existing problems were based on crosside scripting attacks
13:44:28 <Zakim> +SeanP
13:44:41 <Zakim> +??P13
13:44:43 <Kai> jo: if we make these tests normative then we freeze them but we want people to think about it and be flexible
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13:44:58 <Kai> francois: we just want to provide a few tests
13:45:27 <Kai> jo: [getting Bruce uptodate]
13:45:28 <francois> s/80% of existing problems/I read an article recently mentioning that 80% of existing problems/
13:45:53 <Kai> jo: we are asking what are trying to say?
13:45:58 <EdC> My question is: what _exact_ properties are enforced if these tests pass successfully? At least, we should be able to state what level of security / safety is ensured by these tests (even if not 100% safety).
13:46:11 <Kai> ...might be useful for Chaals or Opera to formulate a concise statement
13:47:14 <jo> ACTION: bruce to follow up within Opera as to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against
13:47:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1003 - Follow up within Opera as to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against [on Bruce Lawson - due 2009-09-08].
13:47:16 <jo>  
13:47:24 <brucel> groovy
13:48:03 <Kai> Jo: We need to think about timelines for finishing documents
13:48:23 <Kai> ...we have 4 months.  We need to hurry up.
13:49:05 <jeffs> suggest merging ACTION 910 and ACTION 924
13:49:07 <Kai> Jo: any other business?
13:49:17 <jo> ACTION-910?
13:49:17 <trackbot> ACTION-910 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to get review canvas tag materials and suggest how/if to address in BP -- due 2009-03-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:49:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/910
13:49:23 <jo> ACTION-924?
13:49:23 <trackbot> ACTION-924 -- Daniel Appelquist to and Jeffs to wander the highways and byways of SVG and Canvas and cook something up for the group's approval -- due 2009-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:49:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/924
13:49:38 <jeffs> two diff versions of the same thing addressed by my draft materials emailed out today
13:49:56 <jeffs> I just set to pending review
13:50:08 <jeffs> +1 to closing 910
13:50:12 <jo> close ACTION-910
13:50:12 <trackbot> ACTION-910 Get review canvas tag materials and suggest how/if to address in BP closed
13:50:13 <EdC> +1
13:50:16 <jeffs> +1
13:50:39 <francois> Regrets+ manrique, achuter
13:50:58 <yeliz> :)
13:51:21 <PhilA2> Short and sweet, bye
13:51:24 <brucel> hugs
13:51:25 <Zakim> -Kai_Dietrich
13:51:26 <Zakim> -jo
13:51:26 <Zakim> -jeffs
13:51:28 <Zakim> -adam
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13:51:44 <Zakim> -EdC
13:51:46 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended
13:51:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Kai_Dietrich, adam, +3531522aaaa, jo, francois, EdC, jeffs, yeliz, +47.47.343.aabb, SeanP
13:52:30 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:52:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-bpwg-minutes.html francois
13:56:32 <jo> cf "I read an article recently mentioning that 80% of existing problems" - did you know that 90% of statistics quoted at meetings have no foundation in fact ;-)
14:02:36 <francois> well, that's the reason why I update the minutes. I don't know what happened, I just slipped ;)
14:02:52 <francois> s/update /updated /
14:03:12 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
14:03:12 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-bpwg-actions.rdf :
14:03:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bruce to follow up within Opera as to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against [1]
14:03:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/01-bpwg-irc#T13-47-14