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19:44:13 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN
19:44:13 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
19:44:25 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:44:36 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
19:44:43 <Holger> agenda+ Ontology - presentation/explanation/discussion
19:44:50 <Holger> agenda+ Meeting time after change in daylight saving
19:44:55 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
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19:55:49 <Payam> zakim ??P4 is me
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19:57:50 <Payam> zakim, ??P4 is me
19:57:50 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
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20:02:15 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, Payam, +1.202.408.aaaa
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20:04:02 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, Payam, +1.202.408.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, krp, Prateek
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20:05:21 <michael> zakim, ??P10 is me
20:05:21 <Zakim> +michael; got it
20:06:03 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, Payam, +1.202.408.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, krp, Prateek, michael
20:06:54 <asheth2> Zakim sees me (Amit Sheth) as Prateek
20:07:23 <asheth2> do we have URL for minutes?
20:07:46 <Holger> agenda?
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20:10:47 <michael> zakim, ??P10 is me
20:10:47 <Zakim> +michael; got it
20:11:03 <Holger> ScribeNick: Payam
20:12:42 <Payam> Holger, we will wait til we have something represantable for the ontology
20:12:51 <Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/2/2e/SemanticSensorNetworkOntology.pdf
20:14:57 <Payam> on page 4, you have a figure, is that the core ontology?
20:18:52 <Payam> Michael explaining the core ontology from the paper (page 4)
20:20:17 <Payam> Amit, we can add other ontologies to the core; e.g OWL-time, geo-location
20:20:56 <Payam> Amit, main dometions are spatial, temporal, and theme
20:22:47 <JohnGraybeal> I'm confused -- If we get sufficiently atomic, we don't have to model anything -- everything that describes a sensor can be found in some other ontology. ?
20:23:50 <Payam> Amit, discussing need for an upper ontology and mapping to other concepts
20:24:22 <krp> No that's right!
20:24:41 <asheth2> Key issue is how to use an uppoer ontology and specific ontologies that bring in sensor, time, locaction and thematic dimensions-- the framework for this
20:25:45 <Payam> John, there are multiple ontolgies which are contradictory; depending which ontology we choose, relations between cpncepts will be different
20:25:53 <michael> +q
20:26:24 <Holger> ack michael
20:28:09 <Payam> Michael, the are Unit of measurments, location, etc.  ontologies ... which are core aspects which need to there
20:29:55 <Payam> +q
20:30:23 <michael> =q
20:30:28 <michael> +q
20:31:09 <Holger> ack Payam
20:31:14 <Holger> ack michael
20:31:59 <Payam> Action Michael to add a page to wiki regarding the ontology
20:32:19 <Payam> Action: Michael to add a page to wiki regarding the ontology
20:32:43 <krp> Sounds right for the EU
20:33:45 <Holger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2009Aug/0064.html
20:34:13 <Payam> Holger: Timeslot(s) for telephone conferences
20:45:51 <Payam> discussion on the timeslot to continue on the mailing list
20:49:24 <Payam> before discussing extenstion packages on the ontologies; we need to discuss the current status of the ontology
20:51:37 <Payam> John, whether this core satisfies the use case, and everybody should comment on this - it is on the wiki
20:52:40 <Payam> Holger: one solution is having a dedicated phone call to discuss this, another solution discussing it  in f2f meeting
20:52:49 <JohnGraybeal> the link is http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Favorite_Use_Cases_List
20:53:05 <JohnGraybeal> instructions are at the top...
20:53:44 <michael> +1
20:53:57 <JohnGraybeal> +1
20:54:02 <krp> +1
20:54:02 <Payam> [Action] all to discuss the usecase in two weeks
20:54:36 <Payam> [Action] all to discuss the core concepts of the ontology
20:54:54 <Payam> [Action]: all to discuss the usecase in two weeks
20:54:59 <michael> I'm putting up a wiki page aswell
20:55:06 <Payam> [Action]: all to discuss the core concepts of the ontology
20:56:34 <michael> bye
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20:56:40 <asheth2> uit
20:56:43 <krp> Bye
20:56:43 <asheth2> Quit
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20:57:35 <Holger> zakim, bye 
20:57:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, Payam, +1.202.408.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, krp, Prateek, michael
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20:57:43 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
20:57:52 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
20:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-SSN-minutes.html Holger
20:58:07 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
20:58:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-SSN-actions.rdf :
20:58:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to add a page to wiki regarding the ontology [1]
20:58:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-SSN-irc#T20-32-19