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21:04:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
21:04:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
21:04:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Open Web Education Alliance Incubator Group Teleconference
21:04:03 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2009
21:04:20 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be OWEA
21:04:20 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_(OWEA XG)5:00PM already started
21:04:29 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
21:04:29 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
21:04:31 <Zakim> - +61.4.051.4.aaee
21:04:31 <Zakim> +Shepazu
21:04:42 <aaron> aaron has joined #owea
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21:04:46 <Zakim> + +61.4.051.4.aajj
21:04:49 <aaron> hello
21:04:56 <Aarron> hola
21:05:00 <sfegette> howdy, all
21:05:09 <jbrown> hi
21:05:15 <aaron> hey Scott, Aarron
21:06:15 <shepazu> chair: steph
21:06:20 <shepazu> scribenick: shepazu 
21:06:44 <shepazu> steph: great to hear you all again
21:07:11 <shepazu> ... start with general update, then drill down into details
21:07:27 <shepazu> steph: Ben, are you recording this?
21:07:32 <shepazu> ben: yes
21:08:11 <shepazu> Topic: Recapping Summit
21:09:01 <shepazu> john: very energizing and productive meeting
21:09:03 <shepazu> ... thanks, Leslie
21:09:05 <shepazu> leslie: Chattanooga loves you, sends kisses
21:09:43 <shepazu> ... people were impressed with the accessibility and friendliness of the speakers
21:10:16 <shepazu> ... I've heard from lots of people from all walks of life who said they understood what our goals are
21:11:00 <shepazu> ... I've gotten great feedback 
21:11:33 <shepazu> ... I'm getting pressure to move even faster (in a good way)
21:12:01 <shepazu> ... thanks, everyone!
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21:13:09 <Aarron> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1153572@N25/
21:13:47 <gsims> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/Main_Page#August_Face-to-Face_focus_areas
21:14:36 <shepazu> Topic: organization proposals
21:15:33 <shepazu> aaron: in general, we looked at the options and risks
21:16:09 <shepazu> ... the option of joining W3C is enticing, especially if we have the flexibility that e.g. WAI had
21:16:50 <shepazu> ... this would help us for time-to-market
21:16:59 <Zakim> +??P12
21:17:05 <shepazu> ... other options had challenges
21:17:20 <Zakim> + +1.504.525.aakk
21:17:31 <Zakim> - +1.301.401.aagg
21:17:39 <shepazu> ... for-profit had profile and goal problems
21:17:52 <shepazu> ... the Web Foundation might help us channel funds to us
21:17:55 <itpastorn> ??P12 = Lars Gunther
21:18:04 <sniffles> awesome, hi lars
21:18:10 <Zakim> + +1.301.401.aall
21:18:24 <shepazu> Zakim, ??P12 is itpastorn 
21:18:25 <Zakim> +itpastorn; got it
21:19:01 <shepazu> aaron: what challenges do joining W3C face?
21:19:14 <shepazu> ... will we be too active in different ways than works for W3C?
21:20:10 <shepazu> ... will we have our say in how we run things?
21:20:34 <shepazu> mark: there are a lot of organizations involved here... what is the relationship
21:21:30 <shepazu> ... is this something that we could cover in the whitepaper?
21:22:10 <shepazu> Zakim, who's noisy?
21:22:17 <aaron> I have mine muted
21:22:20 <Zakim> shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.309.360.aaaa (5%), +1.512.963.aaff (90%), +61.4.051.4.aajj (9%)
21:22:49 <shepazu> john: yes, the decision policy and how we work together is important
21:23:12 <shepazu> mark: there will come a time when we disagree, and we need to decide how to resolve it
21:23:43 <shepazu> john: yes, we didn't cover that very well, and we do need to establish consensus
21:24:05 <shepazu> ... w3c might have some of these procedures
21:24:12 <gsims> here is who I think is on the call.  If you know of someone else on the call (that I haven't listed) can you let me know?
21:24:14 <gsims> John Allsopp
21:24:14 <gsims> Aaron G
21:24:14 <gsims> Aarron Walter
21:24:14 <gsims> Steph Troeth
21:24:15 <gsims> Nick Fogler
21:24:16 <gsims> Scott Fegette
21:24:18 <gsims> Jeff Brown
21:24:20 <gsims> Terry Morris
21:24:22 <gsims> Ben Friedman
21:24:24 <gsims> Doug Schepers
21:24:26 <gsims> Leslie Jensen-Inman
21:24:28 <gsims> Mark DuBois
21:24:46 <shepazu> john: that partly comes down to what kind of organization we are
21:24:49 <itpastorn> Lars Gunther
21:24:58 <gsims> (waves at Lars)
21:25:25 <shepazu> mark: we do all come to this with IP and goals
21:26:05 <shepazu> steph: let's take this as a separate issue
21:26:12 <shepazu> john: maybe a wiki page?
21:26:38 <shepazu> action: mark to create a wiki page about decision policy
21:26:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Create a wiki page about decision policy [on Mark DuBois - due 2009-08-27].
21:26:52 <shepazu> ACTION-1?
21:26:52 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Mark DuBois to create a wiki page about decision policy -- due 2009-08-27 -- OPEN
21:26:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/track/actions/1
21:27:04 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/track/actions/1
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21:28:14 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/Type_of_Organization
21:29:01 <shepazu> steph: I think we've made a good stab at establishing our needs
21:29:03 <shepazu> ... and we can put that into the whitepaper to present to W3C
21:29:55 <shepazu> john: we should resolve this quickly, but carefully... it has big implications
21:31:13 <shepazu> john: this issue should have priority
21:31:23 <gsims> we could take a quick poll in adobe connect pro on this question:
21:31:24 <gsims> I feel comfortable with OWEA moving towards being W3C Activity?
21:31:44 <gsims> I feel comfortable with OWEA moving towards being a longterm W3C Activity?
21:31:47 <shepazu> aaron: I planned on having a prose version by the 31st
21:33:08 <gsims> aaron rocks! go aaron!
21:33:16 <gsims> notes are already posted!
21:34:37 <shepazu> steph: I would love to hear from folks already in W3C who could provide feedback
21:36:00 <Aarron> Raises hand
21:36:08 <shepazu> steph: everyone should review the organization notes my September 1
21:36:21 <shepazu> s/my/by
21:37:03 <Aarron> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/Talk:Type_of_Organization
21:37:06 <aaron> raises hand
21:37:12 <shepazu> action: doug to set up a poll
21:37:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Set up a poll [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-08-27].
21:37:33 <gsims> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/Talk:Type_of_Organization
21:38:33 <gsims> Doug, is the page I just posted publicly viewable?
21:38:51 <ben_friedman> glenda, ben, aarron have already voted :-)
21:39:01 <shepazu> john: let's put together a table in the wiki
21:39:03 <shepazu> gsims: yes
21:39:10 <shepazu> I obviously support it :)
21:39:16 <ben_friedman> ha
21:40:26 <shepazu> john: this will be a preliminary decision
21:41:11 <shepazu> Topic: Membership model
21:41:52 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/Membership
21:42:29 <shepazu> glenda describes org tree
21:42:53 <shepazu>     * OWEA Core Team - Roots = Chair + Project Leads + Project Members
21:42:53 <shepazu>     * OWEA Pilots - Heart of Trunk = Schools Formally running OWEA Pilots
21:42:54 <shepazu>     * Projects - Branches = OWEA Core Projects and Local WE Rock Projects
21:42:54 <shepazu>     * WE Rock Local Bands - Leaves = Educators, Web Professionals and Trainers who use, teach and promote open web curriculum
21:43:49 <shepazu> membership models:
21:43:51 <shepazu>    1. Do we want to have membership criteria? Yes. See below for details.
21:43:51 <shepazu>    2. Do we want to have membership levels? Yes. See below for details.
21:43:51 <shepazu>    3. Do we let any one in that asks? If someone asks to be in OWEA, we will share our membership criteria with them and possible ways to contribute. See below for more details.
21:43:52 <shepazu>    4. How will members contribute? By volunteering to work on an OWEA project. See below for details.
21:44:02 <ben_friedman> tree graphic: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/images/4/47/Owea-membership-model.jpg
21:44:21 <ben_friedman> www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/wiki/images/4/47/Owea-membership-model.jpg
21:46:00 <shepazu> glenda: here is the AIGA model for local groups
21:46:17 <aaron> my compliments to the tree's designer ;-)
21:46:53 <sniffles> aaron: that's an istockphoto vector graphic i bought .... :)
21:47:03 <ben_friedman> did doug say fan boys?
21:47:07 <sniffles> he did!
21:47:11 <ben_friedman> :-)
21:47:59 <shepazu> ben_friedman: each local group is a chapter, with a charter and affiliation agreement
21:48:07 <shepazu> mark: WOW has a similar model
21:48:19 <shepazu> doug: this would be interesting for W3C
21:48:53 <Aarron> Where do investors fit into this tree model?
21:49:01 <shepazu> glenda: this would be an evangelism model
21:49:18 <shepazu> Aarron, they are the sunshine and rain :)
21:49:47 <shepazu> glenda: there are open questions about pilot schools
21:50:56 <Zakim> -??P9
21:50:58 <shepazu> john: and a resource question... different schools have different resources... but membership shouldn't give privilege
21:51:27 <aaron> got dropped
21:52:13 <shepazu> steph: is this a problem for W3C?
21:52:27 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:52:28 <shepazu> doug: depends on the details, not a problem in principle
21:52:40 <aaron> back
21:53:24 <shepazu> steph: should we table this, and discuss this on the wiki?
21:53:48 <shepazu> john: yes, everyone should chime in on their concerns, in a detailed discussion
21:54:09 <shepazu> steph: it would be nice to have 2-3 people come up with proposals?
21:54:50 <shepazu> action: leslie to lead resource model proposals
21:54:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Lead resource model proposals [on Leslie Jensen-Inman - due 2009-08-27].
21:55:25 <shepazu> mark: I'd like to join in for community colleges and high-schools
21:55:27 <Zakim> - +1.310.309.aaii
21:56:07 <shepazu> ... especially in terms of time and support, not necessarily financial
21:56:49 <shepazu> Topic: whitepaper roadmap
21:59:01 <shepazu> doug: W3C management is having a meeting, preliminary whitepaper should be before then
21:59:12 <shepazu> steph: need to establish an outline
21:59:48 <shepazu> action: aaron to create a whitepaper outline on the wiki
21:59:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Create a whitepaper outline on the wiki [on Aaron Gustafson - due 2009-08-27].
22:00:35 <shepazu> Topic: meetings
22:01:22 <shepazu> steph: we are having a bi-weekly meeting, but also a weekly meeting for those core members willing to do so
22:01:47 <shepazu> glenda: more meetings might mean shorter meetings
22:02:02 <shepazu> john: broader, then deep-dive alternating
22:02:18 <itpastorn> silencia tacitur
22:04:18 <shepazu> action: doug to set up telcon schedule planner
22:04:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Set up telcon schedule planner [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-08-27].
22:04:21 <Zakim> -??P10
22:04:30 <Aarron> Glenda - what is that meeting scheduling app?
22:04:57 <Zakim> - +1.847.925.aacc
22:05:01 <Zakim> - +61.4.051.4.aajj
22:05:02 <Zakim> -Shepazu
22:05:02 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
22:05:02 <Zakim> - +1.504.525.aakk
22:05:03 <Zakim> -Oliver_Goldman
22:05:03 <Zakim> - +1.512.963.aaff
22:05:04 <Zakim> - +1.404.260.aadd
22:05:06 <Zakim> -??P1
22:05:06 <shepazu> Aarron: doodle?
22:05:08 <Zakim> - +1.706.254.aahh
22:05:10 <Zakim> - +1.301.401.aall
22:05:12 <Zakim> - +1.309.360.aaaa
22:05:14 <Zakim> -itpastorn
22:05:16 <Zakim> IA_(OWEA XG)5:00PM has ended
22:05:18 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.309.360.aaaa, +1.301.401.aabb, +1.847.925.aacc, +1.404.260.aadd, +61.4.051.4.aaee, +1.512.963.aaff, +1.301.401.aagg, +1.706.254.aahh, +1.310.309.aaii,
22:05:18 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
22:05:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
22:05:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
22:05:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-minutes.html trackbot
22:05:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-actions.rdf :
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mark to create a wiki page about decision policy [1]
22:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-irc#T21-26-38
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: doug to set up a poll [2]
22:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-irc#T21-37-12
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: leslie to lead resource model proposals [3]
22:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-irc#T21-54-50
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: aaron to create a whitepaper outline on the wiki [4]
22:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-irc#T21-59-48
22:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: doug to set up telcon schedule planner [5]
22:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-owea-irc#T22-04-18
22:05:21 <Zakim> ... Oliver_Goldman, Shepazu, +61.4.051.4.aajj, +1.504.525.aakk, +1.301.401.aall, itpastorn, [IPcaller]
22:05:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is