IRC log of mediafrag on 2009-08-19

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Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG

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Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 19 August 2009

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+raphael

12:00:20 [raphael]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0018.html

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Chair: Raphael

12:00:37 [raphael]

Regrets: Jack, Michael, Davy, Erik

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+Yves

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+silvia

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+thierry

12:07:42 [Yves]

like updating the fragment in the URI bar when you seek manually in the video?

12:08:54 [raphael]

Raphael: just Yves, Thierry, Silvia and Raphael present on the call

12:08:59 [raphael]

... no quorum :-(

12:09:10 [raphael]

Silvia: discussion my today's blog post

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s/discussion/discussing

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scribe: raphael

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Present: Yves, Thierry, Silvia, Raphael

12:10:13 [raphael]

Silvia ... i'm considering making a small demo

12:10:42 [raphael]

... not implementing the protocol stuff the group is doing, but rather emulating the visual effect on client / UA side

12:10:50 [raphael]

... basically, the YouTube use case

12:11:09 [raphael]

Yves: +1, we want to demonstrate how to bookmark a fragment of a video

12:11:43 [raphael]

Silvia: my implementation will be based on javascript + perhaps the video element of HTML5

12:12:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

12:14:21 [Yves]

about query: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03

12:14:24 [Yves]

might be useful

12:15:31 [nessy]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0011.html

12:15:35 [raphael]

Silvia: I suggest we seriously discuss the use of query vs fragment

12:17:05 [Yves]

or link to a manifest file somewhere

12:17:30 [Yves]

or to a URI template (if applicable)

12:18:12 [raphael]

Silvia: in case of query, how the new resource can be linked to the original resource?

12:18:44 [raphael]

Raphael: perhaps using the link header

12:19:21 [raphael]

Silvia: and the problem of the UA getting the full duration of the parent resource in case of the fragment, see ISSUE-11

12:19:46 [raphael]

... do we need to define an extra header ?

12:21:20 [raphael]

Yves, it is always in the case of a range request

12:21:26 [raphael]

Yves: so no problem

12:22:03 [raphael]

Yves: for example, the server will serve, this is the bytes for the range 10s - 20s / the full duration of the resource

12:22:07 [nessy]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication

12:23:03 [raphael]

Yves: correct, this is incomplete, I will correct this wiki page

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Raphael: I will take proper action for closing the ISSUE-11 if the problem is addressed

12:24:59 [Zakim]

-silvia

12:25:43 [raphael]

Great, that closes the ISSUE-11, at least for the fragment

12:25:50 [raphael]

I will email the group about that

12:25:53 [Zakim]

+silvia

12:28:41 [raphael]

Silvia: what we need to fix asap is: the scheme syntax of media fragment, and the protocol aspect (communication UA / server)

12:36:51 [raphael]

Yves: the ACTION-49 will be done by the beginning of September

12:37:03 [raphael]

Raphael: yes, that will make the work more concrete

12:37:26 [Yves]

http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt

12:37:53 [raphael]

Raphael: since our examples will contain the full HTTP request and HTTP response

12:38:02 [raphael]

Silvia: I will write my use case by the next telecon

12:38:28 [raphael]

... and I will write a paragraph on the use of fragment vs query ... among the lines of my blog post

12:38:31 [raphael]

Raphael: +1

12:40:29 [raphael]

I want also we discuss the relationships between the spatial dimension of Media Fragments and Image Sprites, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html

12:40:38 [raphael]

Silvia: perhaps finish the time dimension first

12:40:42 [raphael]

... but address that later

12:40:55 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

12:41:48 [raphael]

I will create a new issue regarding this point

12:44:42 [raphael]

Silvia: TPAC, worth to meet ?

12:44:59 [raphael]

Raphael: perhaps a accessible media workshop colocated

12:45:16 [raphael]

Silvia: if workshop, mozilla will fund me and I will be there

12:45:28 [raphael]

Raphael: in this case, I will make it too and Yves will be there

12:45:45 [raphael]

... might worth to have then a meeting, perhaps using Media Annotations arrangement

12:46:23 [raphael]

ACTION-96?

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ACTION-96 -- Yves Lafon to make change to temporal-optional-comma specification -- due 2009-08-19 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96

12:46:33 [nessy]

* ACTION-96: Yves to make change to temporal-optional-comma specification

12:46:51 [raphael]

close ACTION-96

12:46:51 [trackbot]

ACTION-96 Make change to temporal-optional-comma specification closed

12:47:03 [raphael]

Question: do we need also editUnits, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0018.html ?

12:49:05 [raphael]

Silvia: my problem with editUnit, is that this is container specific

12:49:33 [raphael]

... even worse, this is encoding specific

12:52:49 [raphael]

... I can write a reply about that

12:52:58 [raphael]

... editing the WD directly in the cvs ?

12:54:26 [raphael]

Silvia: capture the discussion within the wiki but update the main document that contains the spec in the cvs

12:55:30 [raphael]

ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84)

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Created ACTION-97 - Update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-08-26].

12:56:11 [raphael]

ACTION-89?

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ACTION-89 -- Yves Lafon to find out more about fragment identifier registration -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89

12:56:51 [raphael]

we need to write a small IETF draft for IANA consideration

12:57:03 [raphael]

we need to make a plan for that

12:57:23 [raphael]

Yves: first, get a good story from our document, and then the IETF document will just link to our document

12:57:38 [raphael]

close ACTION-89

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ACTION-89 Find out more about fragment identifier registration closed

12:58:24 [raphael]

I will open a new ISSUE to remind us that we need to write a IETF draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme for all media types

12:59:35 [raphael]

Yves: this IETF draft should contain a how-to register the fragment spec for media fragments

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... and we should ask for a template of what does it mean when we come accross a media fragment

13:00:13 [raphael]

Silvia: this is a different issue ... something to consider

13:00:28 [raphael]

Raphael: I will make another issue

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... for the media type registration template

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... needs to be discussed then within IETF

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AOB?

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-Yves

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-silvia

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-raphael

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-thierry

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IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended

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Attendees were raphael, Yves, silvia, thierry

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

13:04:00 [nessy]

thanks everybody!

13:04:03 [raphael]

thanks

13:04:20 [raphael]

meeting adjourned

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

13:04:36 [raphael]

you've seen I have been kicked of the WG?

13:06:31 [raphael]

Yves, tu peux enlever le DRAFT des minutes ?

13:07:41 [nessy]

kicked off the WG? I just confirmed my expert status and was fine )

13:13:52 [raphael]

I have been kicked of :-)

13:13:54 [raphael]

but it is normal

13:14:01 [raphael]

I'm no longer employed by CWI

13:14:15 [raphael]

and my new employer is not a member ... so I will become a IE like you :-)

13:14:23 [raphael]

time I convince my employer to join W3C

13:14:38 [nessy]

lol

13:14:44 [nessy]

who are you working for now?

13:14:59 [nessy]

large enough to be able to afford the W3C membershp?

13:17:10 [raphael]

EURECOM, http://www.eurecom.fr/index.en.htm

13:17:22 [raphael]

it is academic, so the fees are not that high

13:18:02 [Yves]

done

13:18:17 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [1]

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