IRC log of mw4d on 2009-08-17

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11:59:06 [RRSAgent]
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11:59:15 [steph]
zakim, this will be mw4d
11:59:15 [Zakim]
ok, steph, I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
11:59:29 [steph]
MEeting: MW4D IG Teleconference
12:00:22 [steph]
zakim, code ?
12:00:22 [Zakim]
the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
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+ +1.773.440.aaaa
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+steph
12:01:02 [steph]
zakim, who is here ?
12:01:02 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Yoshiko, MiraS
12:01:24 [steph]
zakim, aaaa is mira
12:01:24 [Zakim]
+mira; got it
12:01:57 [steph]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0031.html
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Chair: Stephane
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rrsagent, make log public
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Present: yoshiko, mira, stephane
12:03:46 [MiraS]
Very nice work on the write-up, Stephane! Thanks for circulating it.
12:04:09 [Zakim]
+krp
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zakim, krp is Betty
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+Betty; got it
12:05:02 [steph]
Topic: approval of last week minutes
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http://www.w3.org/2009/08/10-mw4d-minutes.html
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approved
12:05:40 [steph]
Topic: Action items
12:05:51 [steph]
raphael to contact mike best
12:05:57 [steph]
[done]
12:06:14 [steph]
raphael to add abbreviation in the roadmap
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[done]
12:06:34 [steph]
mira to edit and send comments
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[done]
12:06:47 [steph]
stephane to update the roadmap on technologies
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[done]
12:07:06 [steph]
Betty to look into maputo workshop report and see the matching
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with existing challenges in the roadmap
12:07:47 [betty]
Ecosystem
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+ +91.11.41.29.aabb
12:08:09 [steph]
zakim, aabb is Arun
12:08:09 [Zakim]
+Arun; got it
12:08:12 [steph]
Present+Arun
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Present+Betty
12:08:32 [steph]
Topic: roadmap discussion
12:09:16 [Lauri]
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action: stephane to complete the tools section of voice apps sms and ussd
12:12:54 [Zakim]
+Lauri
12:13:02 [steph]
PResent+Lauri
12:16:15 [betty]
Stephane: next call 7 Sep. It will be chaired by Ken.
12:16:33 [Yoshiko]
+q, yoshiko
12:17:19 [steph]
target: end of september for publication
12:18:05 [Arun]
q+
12:18:09 [steph]
ypshiko: i will work on the section costs in 6.1 to talk about policy issues
12:18:14 [steph]
ack yoshiko
12:18:19 [steph]
ack arun
12:19:53 [Arun]
q+
12:20:41 [Arun]
q-
12:21:45 [Lauri]
OK for Lauri (the roadmap plans)
12:22:43 [betty]
ok
12:22:47 [MiraS]
ok
12:22:53 [Lauri]
OK
12:22:54 [steph]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0032.html
12:24:08 [steph]
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#context
12:26:53 [Arun]
I think it would help and act as in index for information seekers.
12:26:56 [steph]
stephane: talking about a table summarizing challenge and technologies
12:28:18 [Arun]
It shuld be part of the doc
12:28:22 [Arun]
I feel
12:30:29 [steph]
mira: sectin 6 ?
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section: executive summary
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with the table
12:31:02 [MiraS]
agreed
12:31:22 [Lauri]
Executive section can have the table
12:31:25 [betty]
It sounds great.
12:31:48 [steph]
action: steph add an executive summary seciton with a table to summarize
12:33:21 [Arun]
Summary with citation is fine.
12:33:23 [steph]
stephane: extending the tools section of each tech
12:33:32 [steph]
summary+link ok ?
12:33:36 [steph]
approved
12:34:47 [steph]
mira: examples ?
12:35:52 [Arun]
q+
12:36:04 [steph]
mira: we should extend the example to illustrate how they are showing strenght and weaknesses
12:36:28 [steph]
how examples illustrate the points
12:36:46 [Arun]
I agree with Mira that the links may not lead to an illustrative example but wouldn't including examples make this doc bulky ?
12:36:53 [steph]
we should select the best ones ilustrating strenght and weaknesses
12:36:57 [Arun]
I do not know of an alternative though
12:38:37 [Arun]
Sure, we can try that and see how it develops
12:40:19 [steph]
action: mira to develop one example that would illustrate better the strenght anf weaknesses
12:42:27 [steph]
lauri: cellbroadcast used to provide traffic info in the uk
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very popular
12:42:54 [steph]
lauri: you have to activate it on your handset
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and when doing that, it impacts severely the battery time
12:43:36 [steph]
stephane: should we mention ?
12:43:54 [steph]
Lauri: yes but not very used, due mostly to battery issue
12:44:41 [steph]
this is due to extra communication with the network
12:45:18 [steph]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0019.html
12:49:41 [steph]
mira: shortening objectives to two paragraph
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punchy ones
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action: mira to rewrite the objectives section
12:53:46 [Yoshiko]
+q, yoshiko
12:53:58 [Arun]
q-
12:54:43 [Lauri]
I agree, add Scope to the Inroduction section
12:54:50 [Arun]
I agree with Yoshiko that having Scope in the begining would be better though we can make it crisper
12:55:16 [Arun]
The scope sets the expectation right
12:55:53 [Yoshiko]
+q
12:56:32 [Yoshiko]
agree, let's see how it will go
12:57:51 [steph]
action: stephane to add in the introduction 2-3 sentences to summarize the scope
12:58:14 [steph]
action: stephane to move the current scope section just before the conclusion
12:58:55 [betty]
I noted that parts of challengs are: innovation, scalability and sustainability, business model, regulation and policy, which are identified as critical success factors for the MW4D ecosystem.
12:59:39 [betty]
It seems that innovation & regulation/policy has been mentioned.
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13:00:15 [Yoshiko]
+q
13:00:32 [Lauri]
I was thrown out from IRC channel, this is re-joining
13:01:32 [betty]
Innovation: well establised univ work with local universities to enable local innovation.
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13:03:02 [betty]
I agree that regulation/policy not in details.
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13:03:32 [Lauri]
Lauri like to point to an important Mobile conference: Nokia World 2009 taking place in Stuttgart Germany September 2-3, 2009. Here is the link: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/
13:04:09 [betty]
I think 6.2.7 is ok.
13:05:32 [betty]
q+
13:05:39 [steph]
ack yoshiko
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ack betty
13:06:09 [Yoshiko]
+q
13:07:09 [betty]
As long the policy/regulation discussion complies with the scope, I think it's OK.
13:07:11 [Arun]
Policy regulation is an horizontal issue, so 6.3 seems more appropriate
13:08:02 [steph]
action: yoshiko to write section 6.3 around policy and regulation issues at the infrastructure level
13:09:01 [betty]
I'll propose some sections in 6.2.
13:09:02 [Arun]
Nops
13:09:22 [Yoshiko]
thanks!
13:09:25 [betty]
Thank you. Bye.
13:09:27 [Lauri]
Bye
13:09:28 [Zakim]
-steph
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-Betty
13:09:30 [MiraS]
bye
13:09:30 [Zakim]
-Arun
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-Yoshiko
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-mira
13:09:36 [steph]
zakim, makes minutes
13:09:36 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'makes minutes', steph
13:09:42 [steph]
zakim, make minutes
13:09:42 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make minutes', steph
13:09:51 [steph]
rrsagent,, make minutes
13:09:51 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', steph. Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:09:56 [steph]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/17-mw4d-minutes.html steph
13:33:45 [Zakim]
-Lauri
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UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph, mira, Betty, +91.11.41.29.aabb, Arun, Lauri
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