IRC log of mw4d on 2009-08-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/08/17-mw4d-irc
- 11:59:15 [steph]
- zakim, this will be mw4d
- 11:59:15 [Zakim]
- ok, steph, I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
- 11:59:29 [steph]
- MEeting: MW4D IG Teleconference
- 12:00:22 [steph]
- zakim, code ?
- 12:00:22 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
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- + +1.773.440.aaaa
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- +steph
- 12:01:02 [steph]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 12:01:02 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph
- 12:01:03 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Yoshiko, MiraS
- 12:01:24 [steph]
- zakim, aaaa is mira
- 12:01:24 [Zakim]
- +mira; got it
- 12:01:57 [steph]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0031.html
- 12:02:06 [steph]
- Chair: Stephane
- 12:02:12 [steph]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 12:02:26 [steph]
- Present: yoshiko, mira, stephane
- 12:03:46 [MiraS]
- Very nice work on the write-up, Stephane! Thanks for circulating it.
- 12:04:09 [Zakim]
- +krp
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- 12:04:21 [steph]
- zakim, krp is Betty
- 12:04:21 [Zakim]
- +Betty; got it
- 12:05:02 [steph]
- Topic: approval of last week minutes
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- http://www.w3.org/2009/08/10-mw4d-minutes.html
- 12:05:21 [steph]
- approved
- 12:05:40 [steph]
- Topic: Action items
- 12:05:51 [steph]
- raphael to contact mike best
- 12:05:57 [steph]
- [done]
- 12:06:14 [steph]
- raphael to add abbreviation in the roadmap
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- [done]
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- mira to edit and send comments
- 12:06:39 [steph]
- [done]
- 12:06:47 [steph]
- stephane to update the roadmap on technologies
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- [done]
- 12:07:06 [steph]
- Betty to look into maputo workshop report and see the matching
- 12:07:06 [steph]
- with existing challenges in the roadmap
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- Ecosystem
- 12:07:58 [Arun]
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- + +91.11.41.29.aabb
- 12:08:09 [steph]
- zakim, aabb is Arun
- 12:08:09 [Zakim]
- +Arun; got it
- 12:08:12 [steph]
- Present+Arun
- 12:08:15 [steph]
- Present+Betty
- 12:08:32 [steph]
- Topic: roadmap discussion
- 12:09:16 [Lauri]
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- 12:10:48 [steph]
- action: stephane to complete the tools section of voice apps sms and ussd
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- +Lauri
- 12:13:02 [steph]
- PResent+Lauri
- 12:16:15 [betty]
- Stephane: next call 7 Sep. It will be chaired by Ken.
- 12:16:33 [Yoshiko]
- +q, yoshiko
- 12:17:19 [steph]
- target: end of september for publication
- 12:18:05 [Arun]
- q+
- 12:18:09 [steph]
- ypshiko: i will work on the section costs in 6.1 to talk about policy issues
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- ack yoshiko
- 12:18:19 [steph]
- ack arun
- 12:19:53 [Arun]
- q+
- 12:20:41 [Arun]
- q-
- 12:21:45 [Lauri]
- OK for Lauri (the roadmap plans)
- 12:22:43 [betty]
- ok
- 12:22:47 [MiraS]
- ok
- 12:22:53 [Lauri]
- OK
- 12:22:54 [steph]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0032.html
- 12:24:08 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#context
- 12:26:53 [Arun]
- I think it would help and act as in index for information seekers.
- 12:26:56 [steph]
- stephane: talking about a table summarizing challenge and technologies
- 12:28:18 [Arun]
- It shuld be part of the doc
- 12:28:22 [Arun]
- I feel
- 12:30:29 [steph]
- mira: sectin 6 ?
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- section: executive summary
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- with the table
- 12:31:02 [MiraS]
- agreed
- 12:31:22 [Lauri]
- Executive section can have the table
- 12:31:25 [betty]
- It sounds great.
- 12:31:48 [steph]
- action: steph add an executive summary seciton with a table to summarize
- 12:33:21 [Arun]
- Summary with citation is fine.
- 12:33:23 [steph]
- stephane: extending the tools section of each tech
- 12:33:32 [steph]
- summary+link ok ?
- 12:33:36 [steph]
- approved
- 12:34:47 [steph]
- mira: examples ?
- 12:35:52 [Arun]
- q+
- 12:36:04 [steph]
- mira: we should extend the example to illustrate how they are showing strenght and weaknesses
- 12:36:28 [steph]
- how examples illustrate the points
- 12:36:46 [Arun]
- I agree with Mira that the links may not lead to an illustrative example but wouldn't including examples make this doc bulky ?
- 12:36:53 [steph]
- we should select the best ones ilustrating strenght and weaknesses
- 12:36:57 [Arun]
- I do not know of an alternative though
- 12:38:37 [Arun]
- Sure, we can try that and see how it develops
- 12:40:19 [steph]
- action: mira to develop one example that would illustrate better the strenght anf weaknesses
- 12:42:27 [steph]
- lauri: cellbroadcast used to provide traffic info in the uk
- 12:42:35 [steph]
- very popular
- 12:42:54 [steph]
- lauri: you have to activate it on your handset
- 12:43:07 [steph]
- and when doing that, it impacts severely the battery time
- 12:43:36 [steph]
- stephane: should we mention ?
- 12:43:54 [steph]
- Lauri: yes but not very used, due mostly to battery issue
- 12:44:41 [steph]
- this is due to extra communication with the network
- 12:45:18 [steph]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0019.html
- 12:49:41 [steph]
- mira: shortening objectives to two paragraph
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- punchy ones
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- action: mira to rewrite the objectives section
- 12:53:46 [Yoshiko]
- +q, yoshiko
- 12:53:58 [Arun]
- q-
- 12:54:43 [Lauri]
- I agree, add Scope to the Inroduction section
- 12:54:50 [Arun]
- I agree with Yoshiko that having Scope in the begining would be better though we can make it crisper
- 12:55:16 [Arun]
- The scope sets the expectation right
- 12:55:53 [Yoshiko]
- +q
- 12:56:32 [Yoshiko]
- agree, let's see how it will go
- 12:57:51 [steph]
- action: stephane to add in the introduction 2-3 sentences to summarize the scope
- 12:58:14 [steph]
- action: stephane to move the current scope section just before the conclusion
- 12:58:55 [betty]
- I noted that parts of challengs are: innovation, scalability and sustainability, business model, regulation and policy, which are identified as critical success factors for the MW4D ecosystem.
- 12:59:39 [betty]
- It seems that innovation & regulation/policy has been mentioned.
- 12:59:56 [Lauri]
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- 13:00:15 [Yoshiko]
- +q
- 13:00:32 [Lauri]
- I was thrown out from IRC channel, this is re-joining
- 13:01:32 [betty]
- Innovation: well establised univ work with local universities to enable local innovation.
- 13:01:48 [Lauri]
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- 13:03:02 [betty]
- I agree that regulation/policy not in details.
- 13:03:13 [Lauri]
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- 13:03:32 [Lauri]
- Lauri like to point to an important Mobile conference: Nokia World 2009 taking place in Stuttgart Germany September 2-3, 2009. Here is the link: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/
- 13:04:09 [betty]
- I think 6.2.7 is ok.
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- q+
- 13:05:39 [steph]
- ack yoshiko
- 13:05:46 [steph]
- ack betty
- 13:06:09 [Yoshiko]
- +q
- 13:07:09 [betty]
- As long the policy/regulation discussion complies with the scope, I think it's OK.
- 13:07:11 [Arun]
- Policy regulation is an horizontal issue, so 6.3 seems more appropriate
- 13:08:02 [steph]
- action: yoshiko to write section 6.3 around policy and regulation issues at the infrastructure level
- 13:09:01 [betty]
- I'll propose some sections in 6.2.
- 13:09:02 [Arun]
- Nops
- 13:09:22 [Yoshiko]
- thanks!
- 13:09:25 [betty]
- Thank you. Bye.
- 13:09:27 [Lauri]
- Bye
- 13:09:28 [Zakim]
- -steph
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- -Betty
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- bye
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- -Arun
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- -Yoshiko
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- -mira
- 13:09:36 [steph]
- zakim, makes minutes
- 13:09:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'makes minutes', steph
- 13:09:42 [steph]
- zakim, make minutes
- 13:09:42 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'make minutes', steph
- 13:09:51 [steph]
- rrsagent,, make minutes
- 13:09:51 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', steph. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/17-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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- -Lauri
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- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph, mira, Betty, +91.11.41.29.aabb, Arun, Lauri
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