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11:59:15 <steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
11:59:15 <Zakim> ok, steph, I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
11:59:29 <steph> MEeting: MW4D IG Teleconference
12:00:22 <steph> zakim, code ?
12:00:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
12:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.773.440.aaaa
12:00:46 <Zakim> +steph
12:01:02 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:01:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph
12:01:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Yoshiko, MiraS
12:01:24 <steph> zakim, aaaa is mira
12:01:24 <Zakim> +mira; got it
12:01:57 <steph> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0031.html
12:02:06 <steph> Chair: Stephane
12:02:12 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
12:02:26 <steph> Present: yoshiko, mira, stephane
12:03:46 <MiraS> Very nice work on the write-up, Stephane! Thanks for circulating it.
12:04:09 <Zakim> +krp
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12:04:21 <steph> zakim, krp is Betty
12:04:21 <Zakim> +Betty; got it
12:05:02 <steph> Topic: approval of last week minutes
12:05:06 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2009/08/10-mw4d-minutes.html
12:05:21 <steph> approved
12:05:40 <steph> Topic: Action items
12:05:51 <steph> raphael to contact mike best
12:05:57 <steph> [done]
12:06:14 <steph> 	raphael to add abbreviation in the roadmap
12:06:18 <steph> [done]
12:06:34 <steph> 	mira to edit and send comments
12:06:39 <steph> [done]
12:06:47 <steph> stephane to update the roadmap on technologies
12:06:54 <steph> [done]
12:07:06 <steph> Betty to look into maputo workshop report and see the matching
12:07:06 <steph> with existing challenges in the roadmap
12:07:47 <betty> Ecosystem
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12:07:58 <Zakim> + +91.11.41.29.aabb
12:08:09 <steph> zakim, aabb is Arun
12:08:09 <Zakim> +Arun; got it
12:08:12 <steph> Present+Arun
12:08:15 <steph> Present+Betty
12:08:32 <steph> Topic: roadmap discussion
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12:10:48 <steph> action: stephane to complete the tools section of voice apps sms and ussd
12:12:54 <Zakim> +Lauri
12:13:02 <steph> PResent+Lauri
12:16:15 <betty> Stephane: next call 7 Sep. It will be chaired by Ken.
12:16:33 <Yoshiko> +q, yoshiko
12:17:19 <steph> target: end of september for publication
12:18:05 <Arun> q+
12:18:09 <steph> ypshiko: i will work on the section costs in 6.1 to talk about policy issues
12:18:14 <steph> ack yoshiko
12:18:19 <steph> ack arun
12:19:53 <Arun> q+
12:20:41 <Arun> q-
12:21:45 <Lauri>  OK for Lauri (the roadmap plans)
12:22:43 <betty> ok
12:22:47 <MiraS> ok
12:22:53 <Lauri> OK
12:22:54 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0032.html
12:24:08 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#context
12:26:53 <Arun> I think it would help and act as in index for information seekers.
12:26:56 <steph> stephane: talking about a table summarizing challenge and technologies
12:28:18 <Arun> It shuld be part of the doc
12:28:22 <Arun> I feel
12:30:29 <steph> mira: sectin 6 ?
12:30:40 <steph> section: executive summary
12:30:44 <steph> with the table
12:31:02 <MiraS> agreed
12:31:22 <Lauri> Executive section can have the table
12:31:25 <betty> It sounds great.
12:31:48 <steph> action: steph add an executive summary seciton with a table to summarize
12:33:21 <Arun> Summary with citation is fine.
12:33:23 <steph> stephane: extending the tools section of each tech
12:33:32 <steph> summary+link ok ?
12:33:36 <steph> approved
12:34:47 <steph> mira: examples ?
12:35:52 <Arun> q+
12:36:04 <steph> mira: we should extend the example to illustrate how they are showing strenght and weaknesses
12:36:28 <steph> how examples illustrate the points
12:36:46 <Arun> I agree with Mira that the links may not lead to an illustrative example but wouldn't including examples make this doc bulky ?
12:36:53 <steph> we should select the best ones ilustrating strenght and weaknesses
12:36:57 <Arun> I do not know of an alternative though 
12:38:37 <Arun> Sure, we can try that and see how it develops
12:40:19 <steph> action: mira to develop one example that would illustrate better the strenght anf weaknesses
12:42:27 <steph> lauri: cellbroadcast used to provide traffic info in the uk
12:42:35 <steph> very popular
12:42:54 <steph> lauri: you have to activate it on your handset
12:43:07 <steph> and when doing that, it impacts severely the battery time
12:43:36 <steph> stephane: should we mention ?
12:43:54 <steph> Lauri: yes but not very used, due mostly to battery issue
12:44:41 <steph> this is due to extra communication with the network
12:45:18 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0019.html
12:49:41 <steph> mira: shortening objectives to two paragraph
12:49:45 <steph> punchy ones
12:50:22 <steph> action: mira to rewrite the objectives section
12:53:46 <Yoshiko> +q, yoshiko
12:53:58 <Arun> q-
12:54:43 <Lauri>  I agree, add Scope to the Inroduction section
12:54:50 <Arun> I agree with Yoshiko that having Scope in the begining would be better though we can make it crisper
12:55:16 <Arun> The scope sets the expectation right
12:55:53 <Yoshiko> +q
12:56:32 <Yoshiko> agree, let's see how it will go
12:57:51 <steph> action: stephane to add in the introduction 2-3 sentences to summarize the scope
12:58:14 <steph> action: stephane to move the current scope section just before the conclusion
12:58:55 <betty> I noted that parts of challengs are: innovation, scalability and sustainability, business model,  regulation and policy, which are identified as critical success factors for the MW4D ecosystem. 
12:59:39 <betty> It seems that innovation & regulation/policy has been mentioned.
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13:00:15 <Yoshiko> +q
13:00:32 <Lauri> I was thrown out from IRC channel,  this is re-joining
13:01:32 <betty> Innovation: well establised univ work with local universities to enable local innovation.
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13:03:02 <betty> I agree that regulation/policy not in details.
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13:03:32 <Lauri> Lauri like to point to an important Mobile conference: Nokia World 2009 taking place in Stuttgart Germany September 2-3, 2009. Here is the link: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/
13:04:09 <betty> I think 6.2.7 is ok.
13:05:32 <betty> q+
13:05:39 <steph> ack yoshiko
13:05:46 <steph> ack betty
13:06:09 <Yoshiko> +q
13:07:09 <betty> As long the policy/regulation discussion complies with the scope, I think it's OK.
13:07:11 <Arun> Policy regulation is an horizontal issue, so 6.3 seems more appropriate
13:08:02 <steph> action: yoshiko to write section 6.3 around policy and regulation issues at the infrastructure level 
13:09:01 <betty> I'll propose some sections in 6.2.
13:09:02 <Arun> Nops
13:09:22 <Yoshiko> thanks!
13:09:25 <betty> Thank you. Bye.
13:09:27 <Lauri>  Bye 
13:09:28 <Zakim> -steph
13:09:29 <Zakim> -Betty
13:09:30 <MiraS>  bye
13:09:30 <Zakim> -Arun
13:09:30 <Zakim> -Yoshiko
13:09:35 <Zakim> -mira
13:09:36 <steph> zakim, makes minutes
13:09:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'makes minutes', steph
13:09:42 <steph> zakim, make minutes
13:09:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', steph
13:09:51 <steph> rrsagent,, make minutes
13:09:51 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', steph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:09:56 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:09:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/17-mw4d-minutes.html steph
13:33:45 <Zakim> -Lauri
13:33:47 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:33:48 <Zakim> Attendees were Yoshiko, +1.773.440.aaaa, steph, mira, Betty, +91.11.41.29.aabb, Arun, Lauri
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