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12:41:34 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN
12:41:34 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
12:42:18 <Holger> Meeting: SSN XG 04-August-2009
12:42:24 <Holger> Chair: Holger
12:42:28 <Payam> Payam has joined #ssn
12:42:35 <Holger> ScribeNick: Holger
12:43:43 <Holger> Regrets: Victor, Oscar
12:50:09 <krzysztof_j> krzysztof_j has joined #ssn
12:50:17 <krzysztof_j> hi
12:50:25 <Holger> hi
12:52:38 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
12:52:45 <Zakim> + +036223aaaa
12:53:13 <Holger> zakim, +036223aaaa is me.
12:53:13 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
12:54:05 <Zakim> + +44.148.368.aabb
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12:58:05 <michael_> hi
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12:59:14 <Zakim> +??P6
12:59:42 <Zakim> + +49.25.aacc
12:59:44 <Zakim> +??P3
13:00:01 <krzysztof_j> zakim, +49.25.aacc is me
13:00:01 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
13:00:17 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:00:17 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
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13:01:30 <Zakim> + +1.626.797.aadd
13:01:34 <Zakim> + +238059aaee
13:01:39 <Zakim> +Prateek
13:01:48 <Zakim> -??P6
13:01:59 <Zakim> + +49.615.149.aaff
13:02:12 <Zakim> + +1.206.662.aagg
13:02:29 <Zakim> +??P10
13:02:40 <michael_> zakim, ??P10 is me
13:02:40 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
13:02:51 <krp> zakim, +238059aaee is me
13:02:51 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:02:53 <Arthur> Zakim, +49.615.149.aaff is me
13:02:53 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it
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13:04:17 <Zakim> +??P11
13:04:20 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aahh
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13:06:59 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
13:07:10 <Rodrigo> Zakim, CTIC is temporarily me
13:07:10 <Zakim> +Rodrigo; got it
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13:08:49 <krzysztof_j> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Key_Obs_Ontologies_Reference_List
13:09:00 <Holger> zakim, mute me.
13:09:00 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:09:36 <Holger> Topic: SEEK OBOE
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13:12:04 <jgraybea> I am unable to dial in.
13:12:22 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:12:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger (muted), +44.148.368.aabb, krzysztof_j, rgarcia, +1.626.797.aadd, krp, Prateek, Arthur, +1.206.662.aagg, michael_, ??P11, +1.202.408.aahh, Rodrigo
13:12:26 <Zakim> + +1.585.919.aaii
13:12:54 <jgraybea> Please confirm number is 617 761 2100 (it just disconnects me)
13:13:22 <Holger> number is 617 761 6200
13:13:38 <jgraybea> yes, sorry, fat fingers
13:13:56 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:13:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger (muted), +44.148.368.aabb, krzysztof_j, rgarcia, +1.626.797.aadd, krp, Prateek, Arthur, +1.206.662.aagg, michael_, ??P11, +1.202.408.aahh, Rodrigo,
13:13:57 <AmitS> Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 7769 ("SSNX")
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13:13:59 <Zakim> ... +1.585.919.aaii
13:16:51 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aajj
13:18:11 <jgraybea> Made it. Is someone doing minutes?
13:18:33 <Holger> Michael is taking manual minutes like the last time...
13:20:38 <Holger> Topic: SWEET 
13:21:42 <Zakim> -krp
13:22:21 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
13:22:33 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.626.797.aadd (91%), +1.585.919.aaii (87%)
13:22:37 <Zakim> - +1.650.450.aajj
13:22:59 <Zakim> +krp
13:23:05 <krzysztof_j> http://sweet.jpl.nasa.gov/ontology/
13:23:39 <AmitS> Michael: who would you categorize as "blessing" "accepting" or "using" these ontologies?
13:23:48 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aakk
13:24:17 <krzysztof_j> there is a lot of noise
13:24:31 <krp_> krp_ has joined #ssn
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13:28:00 <krp> There's a lot of rustling on the line - could people mute themselves when not speaking, please?
13:28:10 <krzysztof_j> all please use the mute function if you are not speaking
13:30:43 <scox> But the geologic time ontology in SWEET is not consistent with the geologic timescale published by Intl. Commission for Stratigraphy!
13:32:41 <Holger> Topic: SERES O&M
13:33:54 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
13:34:06 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.585.919.aaii (35%)
13:39:13 <Holger> Topic: Sensei O&M 
13:48:33 <Holger> Topic: SWE O&M
13:49:45 <krzysztof_j> imo the link is broken
13:51:11 <krp> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Image:O%26M_Property_Dictionary.pdf
13:51:30 <krp> oh, no, that's broken too
13:52:15 <Zakim> -Holger
13:52:21 <jgraybea> I can't get to it either
13:52:29 <Payam> so am I
13:53:14 <Zakim> +Holger
13:53:17 <krzysztof_j> (see also O&M specs page 36)
13:53:29 <Holger> zakim, mute me.
13:53:29 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:54:38 <jgraybea> if you get to the link above you see a page; clicking on the 'Image' link near the top downloaded the presentation
13:54:57 <jgraybea> sorry, not the presentation, it's the O&M specs
13:57:27 <jgraybea> +q
13:58:04 <jgraybea> -q
13:58:48 <krp> +q
13:59:35 <Holger> ack krp
14:00:03 <krzysztof_j> ack!
14:00:26 <jgraybea> I have the same question about observations in general: why do we think they are needed in the device ontology?
14:01:41 <scox> but it did before as well)
14:01:54 <scox> I've refreshed the upload of my presentation
14:02:05 <scox> Don't know why it vanished
14:02:19 <krzysztof_j> ack
14:03:43 <Holger> Topic: OOSTethys
14:04:37 <jgraybea> here is the link: http://www.oostethys.org/best-practices/oostethys-systemsofsystems.png
14:05:09 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
14:05:19 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.202.408.aahh (71%), +1.585.919.aaii (80%)
14:05:22 <krp> The wiki won't let me log in (is this working for others?) so there may be wiki gremlins at work?
14:06:15 <Zakim> - +1.585.919.aaii
14:08:10 <Holger> Topic: O&M-OWL (Cory)
14:14:32 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:14:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +44.148.368.aabb, krzysztof_j, rgarcia, +1.626.797.aadd, Prateek, Arthur, +1.206.662.aagg, michael_, ??P11, +1.202.408.aahh, Rodrigo, krp, +1.650.450.aakk,
14:14:36 <Zakim> ... Holger (muted)
14:16:23 <Holger> zakim, unmute me.
14:16:23 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
14:17:23 <Zakim> - +1.650.450.aakk
14:17:25 <Zakim> - +44.148.368.aabb
14:17:26 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aahh
14:17:27 <Zakim> - +1.626.797.aadd
14:17:29 <krzysztof_j> bye
14:17:31 <Zakim> -rgarcia
14:17:32 <Zakim> - +1.206.662.aagg
14:17:34 <Zakim> -Prateek
14:17:34 <Zakim> -??P11
14:17:37 <Zakim> -krzysztof_j
14:17:38 <Zakim> -michael_
14:17:40 <Zakim> -Arthur
14:17:43 <kelsey> kelsey has left #ssn
14:17:44 <Zakim> -krp
14:17:47 <Zakim> -Rodrigo
14:17:51 <scox> bye
14:17:58 <krp> bye
14:18:00 <Zakim> -Holger
14:18:02 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:18:04 <Holger> zakim, bye 
14:18:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Holger, +44.148.368.aabb, krzysztof_j, rgarcia, +1.626.797.aadd, Prateek, +1.206.662.aagg, michael_, krp, Arthur, +1.202.408.aahh, Rodrigo, +1.585.919.aaii,
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14:18:15 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public
14:18:26 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:18:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/04-ssn-minutes.html Holger
14:18:54 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
14:18:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items