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14:50:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MWI_TS
14:50:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
14:50:12 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2009
14:50:32 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0000.html
14:50:36 <dom> Chair: Wilhelm
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14:59:49 <Zakim> +Wilhelm
14:59:56 <Zakim> +Carmelo
14:59:59 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:00:25 <Zakim> +Carmelo
15:01:07 <dom> zakim, code?
15:01:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
15:01:11 <Zakim> +??P3
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Dom
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15:01:46 <dom> zakim, ??P3 is Dmitri
15:01:49 <Zakim> +Dmitri; got it
15:01:59 <hendry> having problems with the telecon
15:02:06 <hendry> just rings and cuts me off
15:02:47 <Zakim> +??P6
15:02:54 <hendry> ah, that's me
15:02:55 <dom> zakim, ??P6 is Kai
15:02:55 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
15:04:03 <dom> Marcos, should we wait for you to join?
15:04:13 <Marcos> coming
15:04:57 <Zakim> +Marcos
15:05:11 <dom> Topic: Widgets testing
15:05:19 <dom> ACTION-52?
15:05:19 <trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to draft a blog post on SPARTAN -- due 2009-05-26 -- OPEN
15:05:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/52
15:05:27 <dom> Wilhelm: still pending approval
15:05:33 <dom> ACTION-2?
15:05:33 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
15:05:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
15:06:03 <dom> close ACTION-2
15:06:03 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Continue integrating his tests WTF closed
15:06:21 <dom> Kai: regarding WTF, I've been talking with Robert and I have helped out with instructions on how to install it on Linux
15:06:35 <dom> ... I've filed an issue about making it easier to contributing tests
15:06:42 <dom> ... e.g. through a Web form
15:06:49 <dom> ... Robert thought this was a good idea
15:07:31 <dom> ACTION-62?
15:07:31 <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
15:07:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62
15:07:42 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0003.html Dom's comments
15:08:36 <dom> Kai: Marcos has probably stuff to say about this as well
15:08:51 <dom> ... I'll follow-up
15:09:07 <dom> Marcos: Kai and I have been discussing his framework
15:09:23 <dom> ... I've been looking at what would be needed to build the tests properly - don't think we need that much
15:09:38 <dom> ... now that the test assertions have been extracted out
15:10:17 <dom> ... With regard to the contribution guide, we'll link it from the testing area and the spec
15:10:57 <dom>  /2006/waf/widgets/tests/guide.html
15:11:23 <Marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html#testable-assertions
15:12:44 <hendry> so the one place is proposed as <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html> ?
15:12:44 <dom> Kai: I think it's best to keep everything in one place
15:14:20 <dom> Marcos: I'll be integrating all the relevant materials (contribution guide, test plan) into a single document
15:15:14 <dom> ACTION: Dom to report back on Marcos' progress wrt integration of test documentation materials 
15:15:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Report back on Marcos' progress wrt integration of test documentation materials  [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-11].
15:15:39 <dom> ACTION-62: closed
15:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites notes added
15:15:39 <trackbot> If you meant to close ACTION-62, please use 'close ACTION-62'
15:15:42 <dom> ACTION-63: closed
15:15:42 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide notes added
15:15:42 <trackbot> If you meant to close ACTION-63, please use 'close ACTION-63'
15:16:39 <dom> ACTION-66: closed
15:16:39 <trackbot> ACTION-66 Update the test plan with the latest assertions notes added
15:16:39 <trackbot> If you meant to close ACTION-66, please use 'close ACTION-66'
15:16:53 <dom> ACTION-45: closed
15:16:53 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Propose a plan for getting contributions from community notes added
15:16:53 <trackbot> If you meant to close ACTION-45, please use 'close ACTION-45'
15:16:57 <dom> ACTION-45 closed
15:16:57 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Propose a plan for getting contributions from community closed
15:17:00 <dom> ACTION-66 closed
15:17:00 <trackbot> ACTION-66 Update the test plan with the latest assertions closed
15:17:04 <dom> ACTION-63 closed
15:17:04 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide closed
15:17:08 <dom> ACTION-62 closed
15:17:08 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites closed
15:17:25 <dom> ACTION-67?
15:17:25 <trackbot> ACTION-67 -- Kai Hendry to work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide -- due 2009-08-04 -- OPEN
15:17:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/67
15:18:44 <dom> Marcos: will do that later this week
15:18:49 <dom> ACTION-70 closed
15:18:49 <trackbot> ACTION-70 Draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing closed
15:18:59 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/blog/2009/07/29/widget_test_event invitation to widgets testing event in blog
15:19:28 <dom> Topic: WCTMB2
15:19:41 <dom> ACTION-68?
15:19:41 <trackbot> ACTION-68 -- Kai Hendry to submit proposals for WCTMB2 -- due 2009-08-04 -- OPEN
15:19:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/68
15:19:52 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0005.html Kai's suggestions for WCTMB2
15:20:03 <Zakim> -Marcos
15:20:09 <dom> Kai: have we considered making the test a widget?
15:20:16 <dom> ... we could tie in widgets-related tests
15:21:15 <dom> Dom: doing it only as a widget seems a bit too restrictive to me
15:21:29 <dom> ... given that there are no runtime widget engine implementing the W3C spec
15:21:37 <dom> Kai: there are a few, but probably not very compliant
15:22:00 <dom> ... I also noted to integrate tests from AppCache
15:22:09 <dom> ... and wondered if we could take some tests from ACID3
15:22:20 <dom> Wilhelm: I'm thinking along the same lines, but with different tests
15:22:25 <dom> ... testing for features rather than bugs
15:23:05 <dom> Kai: if we're testing features - I'm not sure how forward-looking we should be
15:23:13 <dom> ... I've also proposed an audio test
15:23:59 <dom> Wilhelm: audio test sounds good
15:24:15 <dom> Dom: not sure we can define how forward-looking we should target; let's see as we go
15:24:24 <dom> Wilhelm: could you turn your proposals into actual code?
15:24:29 <dom> Kai: sure
15:24:42 <dom> ACTION: Kai to propose appcache and audio test
15:24:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Propose appcache and audio test [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-11].
15:24:57 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to create test cases for WCTMB2
15:24:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Create test cases for WCTMB2 [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-08-11].
15:25:10 <dom> Wilhelm: we basically a bunch of scripts that say yes or no
15:25:19 <dom> ACTION-69?
15:25:19 <trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to review WCTMB2 proposal -- due 2009-08-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:25:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/69
15:25:33 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0002.html Dom's comments on WCTMB2
15:26:57 <dom> Dom: in addition to my comments in my email, we should probably make our test run asynchronously 
15:27:20 <dom> Kai: that's usually quite painful in Javascript
15:27:36 <dom> Dom: isn't it just a matter of using callback functions?
15:27:59 <dom> Wilhelm: I was thinking of running them in sequence
15:28:19 <dom> Dom: do we need a proposed API?
15:28:25 <dom> Wilhelm: I'll make a proposal
15:28:36 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to propose an API for the tests in WCTMB2
15:28:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Propose an API for the tests in WCTMB2 [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-08-11].
15:29:12 <dom> ACTION: Dom to propose tests for WCTMB2 - due 2009-09-08
15:29:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - propose tests for WCTMB2 [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-09-08].
15:29:42 <dom> Topic: OMA
15:29:46 <dom> ACTION-14?
15:29:46 <trackbot> ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
15:29:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
15:30:03 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2009Aug/0000.html Update's from OMA on XHTML MP test suite
15:30:34 <dom> ACTION-21?
15:30:34 <trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
15:30:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
15:30:40 <dom> Wilhelm: still pending
15:30:44 <dom> Topic: Next meeting
15:31:20 <dom> RESOLVED: Next meeting will be September 1st
15:31:34 <dom> s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
15:31:35 <Zakim> -Dmitri
15:31:36 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:31:37 <Zakim> -Kai
15:31:39 <Zakim> -Wilhelm
15:31:39 <Zakim> -Dom
15:31:39 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:31:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Wilhelm, Carmelo, Dom, Dmitri, Kai, Marcos
15:31:44 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/04-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:31:45 <dom> zakim, bye
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17:15:32 <Carmelo> bye