IRC log of mwts on 2009-08-04

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Zakim, this will be MWI_TS
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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 04 August 2009
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0000.html
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Chair: Wilhelm
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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
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+Wilhelm
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+Carmelo
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-Carmelo
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+Carmelo
15:01:07 [dom]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
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+??P3
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+Dom
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zakim, ??P3 is Dmitri
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+Dmitri; got it
15:01:59 [hendry]
having problems with the telecon
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just rings and cuts me off
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+??P6
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ah, that's me
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zakim, ??P6 is Kai
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+Kai; got it
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Marcos, should we wait for you to join?
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coming
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+Marcos
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Topic: Widgets testing
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ACTION-52?
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ACTION-52 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to draft a blog post on SPARTAN -- due 2009-05-26 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/52
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Wilhelm: still pending approval
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ACTION-2?
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ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
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close ACTION-2
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ACTION-2 Continue integrating his tests WTF closed
15:06:21 [dom]
Kai: regarding WTF, I've been talking with Robert and I have helped out with instructions on how to install it on Linux
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... I've filed an issue about making it easier to contributing tests
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... e.g. through a Web form
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... Robert thought this was a good idea
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ACTION-62?
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ACTION-62 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0003.html Dom's comments
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Kai: Marcos has probably stuff to say about this as well
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... I'll follow-up
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Marcos: Kai and I have been discussing his framework
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... I've been looking at what would be needed to build the tests properly - don't think we need that much
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... now that the test assertions have been extracted out
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... With regard to the contribution guide, we'll link it from the testing area and the spec
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/2006/waf/widgets/tests/guide.html
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http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html#testable-assertions
15:12:44 [hendry]
so the one place is proposed as <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/Overview_TSE.html> ?
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Kai: I think it's best to keep everything in one place
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Marcos: I'll be integrating all the relevant materials (contribution guide, test plan) into a single document
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ACTION: Dom to report back on Marcos' progress wrt integration of test documentation materials
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Created ACTION-71 - Report back on Marcos' progress wrt integration of test documentation materials [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-11].
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ACTION-62: closed
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ACTION-62 Send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites notes added
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If you meant to close ACTION-62, please use 'close ACTION-62'
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ACTION-63: closed
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ACTION-63 Add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide notes added
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If you meant to close ACTION-63, please use 'close ACTION-63'
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ACTION-66: closed
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ACTION-66 Update the test plan with the latest assertions notes added
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If you meant to close ACTION-66, please use 'close ACTION-66'
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ACTION-45: closed
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ACTION-45 Propose a plan for getting contributions from community notes added
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If you meant to close ACTION-45, please use 'close ACTION-45'
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ACTION-45 closed
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ACTION-45 Propose a plan for getting contributions from community closed
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ACTION-66 closed
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ACTION-66 Update the test plan with the latest assertions closed
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ACTION-63 closed
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ACTION-63 Add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide closed
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ACTION-62 closed
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ACTION-62 Send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites closed
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ACTION-67?
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ACTION-67 -- Kai Hendry to work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide -- due 2009-08-04 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/67
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Marcos: will do that later this week
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ACTION-70 closed
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ACTION-70 Draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing closed
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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/blog/2009/07/29/widget_test_event invitation to widgets testing event in blog
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Topic: WCTMB2
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ACTION-68?
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ACTION-68 -- Kai Hendry to submit proposals for WCTMB2 -- due 2009-08-04 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/68
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0005.html Kai's suggestions for WCTMB2
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-Marcos
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Kai: have we considered making the test a widget?
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... we could tie in widgets-related tests
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Dom: doing it only as a widget seems a bit too restrictive to me
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... given that there are no runtime widget engine implementing the W3C spec
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Kai: there are a few, but probably not very compliant
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... I also noted to integrate tests from AppCache
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... and wondered if we could take some tests from ACID3
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Wilhelm: I'm thinking along the same lines, but with different tests
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... testing for features rather than bugs
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Kai: if we're testing features - I'm not sure how forward-looking we should be
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... I've also proposed an audio test
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Wilhelm: audio test sounds good
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Dom: not sure we can define how forward-looking we should target; let's see as we go
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Wilhelm: could you turn your proposals into actual code?
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Kai: sure
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ACTION: Kai to propose appcache and audio test
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Created ACTION-72 - Propose appcache and audio test [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-11].
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ACTION: Wilhelm to create test cases for WCTMB2
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Created ACTION-73 - Create test cases for WCTMB2 [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-08-11].
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Wilhelm: we basically a bunch of scripts that say yes or no
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ACTION-69?
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ACTION-69 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to review WCTMB2 proposal -- due 2009-08-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/69
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Aug/0002.html Dom's comments on WCTMB2
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Dom: in addition to my comments in my email, we should probably make our test run asynchronously
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Kai: that's usually quite painful in Javascript
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Dom: isn't it just a matter of using callback functions?
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Wilhelm: I was thinking of running them in sequence
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Dom: do we need a proposed API?
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Wilhelm: I'll make a proposal
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ACTION: Wilhelm to propose an API for the tests in WCTMB2
15:28:36 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-74 - Propose an API for the tests in WCTMB2 [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-08-11].
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ACTION: Dom to propose tests for WCTMB2 - due 2009-09-08
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Created ACTION-75 - propose tests for WCTMB2 [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-09-08].
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Topic: OMA
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ACTION-14?
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ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2009Aug/0000.html Update's from OMA on XHTML MP test suite
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ACTION-21?
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ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
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Wilhelm: still pending
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Topic: Next meeting
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RESOLVED: Next meeting will be September 1st
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s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
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-Dmitri
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-Carmelo
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-Kai
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-Wilhelm
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-Dom
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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Wilhelm, Carmelo, Dom, Dmitri, Kai, Marcos
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/04-mwts-minutes.html dom
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zakim, bye
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bye