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12:01:12 <steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
12:01:12 <Zakim> ok, steph, I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
12:01:21 <steph> zakim, code ?
12:01:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
12:01:45 <Zakim> + +49.238.aabb
12:01:54 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +41.22.800.aaaa, +49.238.aabb
12:01:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Raphael, Yoshiko
12:02:12 <steph> zakim, aaaa is Yoshiko
12:02:12 <Zakim> +Yoshiko; got it
12:02:30 <steph> zakim, aabb is me
12:02:30 <Zakim> +steph; got it
12:02:51 <steph> Meeting: MW4D bi-monthly meeting
12:02:59 <Zakim> + +41.22.730.aacc
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12:03:53 <steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Jul/0021.html
12:04:03 <steph> zakim, aaee is Lauri
12:04:03 <Zakim> +Lauri; got it
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12:04:12 <steph> zakim, aacc is Arun
12:04:12 <Zakim> +Arun; got it
12:04:23 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yoshiko, steph, Arun, +1.412.9.aadd, Lauri
12:04:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see miraS, Arun, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Raphael, Yoshiko
12:04:32 <steph> zakim, aadd is Raphael
12:04:32 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
12:04:33 <miraS> zakim, miraS is Mira
12:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, miraS, I do not recognize a party named 'miraS'
12:05:26 <steph> Topic: presentation of new participants
12:05:55 <steph> yoshiko: i'm part of ICV and ISF (engineer without bordier)
12:06:00 <Raphael> Welcome Yoshiko
12:06:10 <Zakim> +??P5
12:06:15 <Raphael> http://www.icvolunteers.org/ ?
12:06:36 <steph> zakim, ??P5 is Mira
12:06:36 <Zakim> +Mira; got it
12:07:07 <Raphael> Steph, I can contibute to scribing
12:07:14 <steph> thks
12:07:54 <Raphael> Steph: Judy Brewer to discuss accessibility
12:07:55 <Raphael>  today
12:08:13 <Raphael> she has advices for us
12:08:36 <steph> Topic: approval of last meeting minutes
12:08:45 <Raphael> OK with me
12:08:46 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/06-mw4d-minutes.html
12:08:52 <steph> approved
12:09:03 <steph> review of action items
12:09:07 <steph> topic: review of action items
12:09:31 <steph> Ken to link with people at georgia tech and present what we are
12:09:31 <steph> doing and see if they are interested to join
12:09:38 <steph> done
12:09:46 <steph> action: steph to contact mike best
12:10:02 <steph> Raphael to develop the concept of context/scorecardand propose
12:10:02 <steph> a visual representation of the recommandation
12:10:21 <steph> Done
12:10:40 <steph> raphael: more work done in hte comment, but this part is done
12:10:47 <steph> s/done/need done/
12:10:59 <steph> more work on hte roadmap
12:11:12 <steph> next step: let's hear about accessibility for
12:11:27 <steph> s/for/before/
12:12:15 <steph> Stephane to use color to show the state of actions
12:12:16 <steph> done
12:12:26 <steph> Stephane to add the meaning of colors in the discussion page
12:12:27 <steph> done
12:12:38 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion
12:12:53 <steph> Stephane to summarize discussion around technology in the
12:12:53 <steph> discussion page
12:13:13 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#technologie
12:13:22 <steph> done
12:13:34 <steph> Betty to look into maputo workshop report and see the matching 
12:13:34 <steph> with existing challenges in the roadmap
12:13:41 <steph> ongoing
12:14:02 <steph> Topic: Roadmap
12:14:08 <Raphael> Betty could not make it today (for the conference)
12:15:06 <Raphael> http://www.digitalworldforum.eu/
12:15:12 <steph> http://www.digitalworldforum.eu/events/68-dwf-final-closing-event-30-sept-2009
12:15:33 <Judy> Judy has joined #mw4d
12:16:01 <Judy> hi steph, shall i join now?
12:16:06 <steph> hi Judy
12:16:08 <steph> yes please
12:16:17 <Judy> calling...
12:16:37 <Zakim> +Judy
12:19:44 <steph> q+
12:20:20 <Yoshiko> 3q+
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12:21:45 <Lauri> Lauri managed to log into IRC using the generator in non-electricity remote island in Finland.
12:22:34 <steph> :)
12:22:52 <Raphael> Judy: Web accessibility becomes a government-level issue, with (UN driven) policies being adopted
12:24:32 <Yoshiko> 3may i make an intervention?
12:25:06 <Lauri> In Finland the Governement has approved a program to boost the creation of High Speed Internet Access to everyone in Finland.
12:27:33 <Raphael> Yoshiko: Accessibility is important to keep. We did touch the subject with literacy, pictograms, etc.
12:28:13 <Raphael> q+
12:29:02 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2
12:29:18 <Judy> q+
12:29:22 <steph> ack me
12:29:38 <steph> raphael: touch it the issue of trad. accessibility issue might be misleading
12:30:07 <steph> it should be mentionned as issues we canot deep into deeply
12:30:19 <steph> s/deep/dig/
12:31:49 <steph> judy: one thing, no point ot go into technical depht
12:31:52 <steph> we are doing that
12:32:08 <steph> opportunity to reference body of work mature
12:32:22 <steph> terminology is important
12:32:29 <steph> contribute to musunderstanding
12:32:38 <steph> broader use of access 
12:32:59 <steph> we are encouraging to use the broad sense
12:33:35 <steph> accessbility of the web for people with disabilities
12:33:52 <steph> coupling accessibility and disabilities
12:34:12 <steph> how to mention briefly and appropriately
12:34:15 <steph>  ?
12:34:54 <steph> essential to mention something is essential, important not to be overlook
12:35:19 <steph> important doc joint between wai and mai
12:35:25 <steph> s/mai/mwi/
12:36:00 <steph> statistics on disability
12:36:16 <steph> not less and probably higher in developing countries
12:36:37 <Arun> q+
12:37:17 <Judy> q+
12:37:30 <Judy> q-
12:37:31 <Yoshiko> 3q+
12:37:35 <Judy> q+
12:37:37 <Raphael> q-
12:37:54 <Judy> q+ Yoshiko
12:37:57 <Lauri> disabilities are also problem in developed countries. Governement in Finland has programs how to support blind and hearing probem people. Those are extended also to Internet.
12:38:09 <Raphael> in any way, the need for accessibility definition is great, I agree with Judy
12:38:31 <Arun> http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs282/en/
12:38:54 <Arun> About 87% of the world's visually impaired live in developing countries.
12:40:18 <Raphael> Judy, Arun: often more people with disabilities in developing economies, making accessibility issue more important
12:40:36 <Arun> q-
12:40:38 <steph> q?
12:40:54 <Arun> I recall we agreed to put challenges w.r.t. disabilities in the doc
12:41:32 <Lauri> An other problem is to support those people who don't understand local language (like refugees). There is a program to provide translator services to them but limited to when refugee has to communicate with governement. Not for their private life.
12:42:51 <Raphael> Judy: putting the accessibility issue under "6.1 Access Challenges" seems a good idea
12:46:19 <steph> yoshiko: issue with monopoly
12:46:26 <steph> and costs
12:46:36 <steph> not our major competence
12:46:54 <steph> important to mention the social constraints where the technology
12:46:58 <steph> taks lace
12:47:05 <Lauri> One brilliant application is, when a person using sign-language (speeking using only hands) have traslation service by video mobile phone call to "translator".
12:47:10 <steph> s/taks/takes/
12:48:10 <Raphael> Judy, would you share useful (technically accessible) links on the accessibility issue with us?
12:48:43 <Judy> Raphael yes I would be happy to send some links for background.
12:48:50 <Raphael> thanks a lot
12:48:54 <Raphael> +1
12:49:16 <Yoshiko> 3judy, could we work together?
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12:49:35 <miraS> sure, i agree too.
12:49:39 <Arun> I agree
12:49:44 <steph> REsolution: accessibility to be added in 6.1 with definition mention of existing work, and assistive tech
12:49:51 <Raphael> I agree
12:50:08 <Raphael> bye Judy
12:50:09 <Zakim> -Judy
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12:51:03 <steph> action: stephane to update the roadmap and the issue 5 in the discussion doc about accessibility
12:52:06 <Raphael> steph: extra call next week?
12:52:11 <Raphael> OK with me
12:52:14 <miraS> yup
12:52:19 <miraS> ok with me too
12:52:21 <Arun> Fine with me too.
12:52:32 <Yoshiko> 3next week i'll be on holiday.
12:52:53 <Lauri> OK next week cc for me
12:53:07 <miraS> how should i submit the comments?
12:53:10 <Raphael> q+
12:53:21 <steph> public-mw4d@w3.org
12:53:46 <steph> resolution: having a call august 10
12:55:29 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#technologie
13:02:12 <Yoshiko> 3q+
13:03:42 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Stories/
13:03:48 <Raphael> dard at intracen.org
13:03:54 <Yoshiko> 3yoshiko.kurisaki@icvolunteers.org
13:04:21 <steph> public-mw4d@w3.org
13:04:28 <Zakim> -Mira
13:04:29 <Zakim> -Raphael
13:04:29 <Raphael> bye
13:04:30 <Zakim> -Yoshiko
13:04:30 <Arun> bye
13:04:31 <Lauri> Bye everybody
13:04:32 <Zakim> -steph
13:04:33 <Zakim> -Arun
13:04:48 <Lauri> logout
13:04:50 <steph> Present: Lauri, Arun, Raphael, Mira, Judy, Steph, Yoshiko
13:05:03 <steph> rrsagent, mae minutes
13:05:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'mae minutes', steph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:05:05 <miraS> -Mira
13:05:06 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:05:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/03-mw4d-minutes.html steph
13:05:20 <Yoshiko> 3talk to you in two weeks time!
13:05:34 <Zakim> -Lauri
13:05:35 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:05:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +41.22.800.aaaa, +49.238.aabb, Yoshiko, steph, +41.22.730.aacc, +1.412.9.aadd, +358.505.58aaee, Lauri, Arun, Raphael, Mira, Judy
14:45:40 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
14:45:46 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
14:45:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/03-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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