IRC log of mw4d on 2009-08-03

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zakim, this will be mw4d
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ok, steph, I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM already started
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zakim, code ?
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the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
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+ +49.238.aabb
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zakim, who is here ?
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On the phone I see +41.22.800.aaaa, +49.238.aabb
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Raphael, Yoshiko
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zakim, aaaa is Yoshiko
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+Yoshiko; got it
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zakim, aabb is me
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+steph; got it
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Meeting: MW4D bi-monthly meeting
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+ +41.22.730.aacc
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+ +1.412.9.aadd
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zakim, aaee is Lauri
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+Lauri; got it
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zakim, aacc is Arun
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+Arun; got it
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zakim, who is here ?
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On the phone I see Yoshiko, steph, Arun, +1.412.9.aadd, Lauri
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On IRC I see miraS, Arun, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Raphael, Yoshiko
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zakim, aadd is Raphael
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+Raphael; got it
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zakim, miraS is Mira
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sorry, miraS, I do not recognize a party named 'miraS'
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Topic: presentation of new participants
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yoshiko: i'm part of ICV and ISF (engineer without bordier)
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Welcome Yoshiko
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12:06:15 [Raphael] ?
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zakim, ??P5 is Mira
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+Mira; got it
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Steph, I can contibute to scribing
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Steph: Judy Brewer to discuss accessibility
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she has advices for us
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Topic: approval of last meeting minutes
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OK with me
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review of action items
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topic: review of action items
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Ken to link with people at georgia tech and present what we are
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doing and see if they are interested to join
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action: steph to contact mike best
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Raphael to develop the concept of context/scorecardand propose
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a visual representation of the recommandation
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raphael: more work done in hte comment, but this part is done
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s/done/need done/
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more work on hte roadmap
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next step: let's hear about accessibility for
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Stephane to use color to show the state of actions
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Stephane to add the meaning of colors in the discussion page
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Stephane to summarize discussion around technology in the
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discussion page
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Betty to look into maputo workshop report and see the matching
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with existing challenges in the roadmap
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Topic: Roadmap
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Betty could not make it today (for the conference)
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hi steph, shall i join now?
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hi Judy
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yes please
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Lauri managed to log into IRC using the generator in non-electricity remote island in Finland.
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Judy: Web accessibility becomes a government-level issue, with (UN driven) policies being adopted
12:24:32 [Yoshiko]
3may i make an intervention?
12:25:06 [Lauri]
In Finland the Governement has approved a program to boost the creation of High Speed Internet Access to everyone in Finland.
12:27:33 [Raphael]
Yoshiko: Accessibility is important to keep. We did touch the subject with literacy, pictograms, etc.
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12:29:18 [Judy]
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ack me
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raphael: touch it the issue of trad. accessibility issue might be misleading
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it should be mentionned as issues we canot deep into deeply
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judy: one thing, no point ot go into technical depht
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we are doing that
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opportunity to reference body of work mature
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terminology is important
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contribute to musunderstanding
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broader use of access
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we are encouraging to use the broad sense
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accessbility of the web for people with disabilities
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coupling accessibility and disabilities
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how to mention briefly and appropriately
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essential to mention something is essential, important not to be overlook
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important doc joint between wai and mai
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statistics on disability
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not less and probably higher in developing countries
12:36:37 [Arun]
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12:37:31 [Yoshiko]
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q+ Yoshiko
12:37:57 [Lauri]
disabilities are also problem in developed countries. Governement in Finland has programs how to support blind and hearing probem people. Those are extended also to Internet.
12:38:09 [Raphael]
in any way, the need for accessibility definition is great, I agree with Judy
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About 87% of the world's visually impaired live in developing countries.
12:40:18 [Raphael]
Judy, Arun: often more people with disabilities in developing economies, making accessibility issue more important
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I recall we agreed to put challenges w.r.t. disabilities in the doc
12:41:32 [Lauri]
An other problem is to support those people who don't understand local language (like refugees). There is a program to provide translator services to them but limited to when refugee has to communicate with governement. Not for their private life.
12:42:51 [Raphael]
Judy: putting the accessibility issue under "6.1 Access Challenges" seems a good idea
12:46:19 [steph]
yoshiko: issue with monopoly
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and costs
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not our major competence
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important to mention the social constraints where the technology
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taks lace
12:47:05 [Lauri]
One brilliant application is, when a person using sign-language (speeking using only hands) have traslation service by video mobile phone call to "translator".
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12:48:10 [Raphael]
Judy, would you share useful (technically accessible) links on the accessibility issue with us?
12:48:43 [Judy]
Raphael yes I would be happy to send some links for background.
12:48:50 [Raphael]
thanks a lot
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12:49:16 [Yoshiko]
3judy, could we work together?
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12:49:35 [miraS]
sure, i agree too.
12:49:39 [Arun]
I agree
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REsolution: accessibility to be added in 6.1 with definition mention of existing work, and assistive tech
12:49:51 [Raphael]
I agree
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bye Judy
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action: stephane to update the roadmap and the issue 5 in the discussion doc about accessibility
12:52:06 [Raphael]
steph: extra call next week?
12:52:11 [Raphael]
OK with me
12:52:14 [miraS]
12:52:19 [miraS]
ok with me too
12:52:21 [Arun]
Fine with me too.
12:52:32 [Yoshiko]
3next week i'll be on holiday.
12:52:53 [Lauri]
OK next week cc for me
12:53:07 [miraS]
how should i submit the comments?
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resolution: having a call august 10
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dard at
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Bye everybody
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Present: Lauri, Arun, Raphael, Mira, Judy, Steph, Yoshiko
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rrsagent, mae minutes
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'mae minutes', steph. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate steph
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3talk to you in two weeks time!
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UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +41.22.800.aaaa, +49.238.aabb, Yoshiko, steph, +41.22.730.aacc, +1.412.9.aadd, +358.505.58aaee, Lauri, Arun, Raphael, Mira, Judy
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate steph
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