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21:00:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
21:00:47 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
21:00:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
21:00:48 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2009
21:01:22 <shepazu> zakim, this will be DOM3
21:01:22 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)5:00PM already started
21:01:26 <Zakim> +Shepazu
21:02:49 <Zakim> +??P1
21:03:32 <smaug> Zakim, ??P1  is me
21:03:32 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
21:05:28 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
21:05:34 <shepazu> chair: shepazu 
21:05:42 <shepazu> scribeNick: MSJacob 
21:07:11 <MSJacob> topic: Deprecate DOMActivate
21:09:36 <MSJacob> shepazu: seen content w/ DOMFocusIn and DOMFocusOut, if we can get SVG implementors to say it's ok to deprecate these, I would say that the SVG spec could (a) add an errata that says authors should use DOM3 Events focus and blur events
21:10:10 <MSJacob> shepazu: problem is that adding features to a recommendation is not supposed to happen, but that may not be what is needed
21:10:37 <MSJacob> shepazu:  we could probably get away with simply noting a suggestion to use D3E focus/blur events
21:11:22 <MSJacob> shepazu: content could be updated
21:11:32 <MSJacob> shepazu: I'll bring this up with SVG wg next week
21:12:00 <dand> dand has joined #webapps
21:13:01 <dand> gday
21:13:15 <MSJacob> shepazu: what about content not working in the browsers? but if this is what browser implementors want, then this is probably the best solution
21:14:01 <dand> zakim, info
21:14:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'info', dand
21:14:08 <dand> zakim, what's the number :P
21:14:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what's the number :P', dand
21:15:01 <smaug> +1.617.761.6200
21:15:03 <smaug> 3663
21:16:30 <dand> cheers
21:16:31 <MSJacob> shepazu: I'm concerned if people remove DOMActivate, there may be content that breaks
21:17:39 <Zakim> +??P2
21:17:58 <smaug> Zakim, ??P2 is dand 
21:17:58 <Zakim> +dand; got it
21:19:55 <shepazu> Topic: InputMode
21:19:56 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-TextEvent
21:21:09 <MSJacob> MSJacob: What can input mode multimodal be used for?
21:21:58 <MSJacob> shepazu:  combos of input methods (ex, voice "meet me here" then click on a map)
21:23:38 <MSJacob> smaug: What is DOM_INPUT_METHOD_OPTION?
21:24:01 <MSJacob> shepazu:  select an option and it generates a text event (ex, xforms)
21:24:47 <MSJacob> MSJacob:  What about script-generated text inputs?
21:25:58 <MSJacob> shepazu:  I considered DOM_INPUT_SCRIPT, but that seems less descriptive. But thinking further, I might want to add it. What do other people think?
21:26:57 <MSJacob> MSJacob: Test automation is free to fire textInput with whatever inputMethod it wants. But simply generating a text insertion via script should probably have its own input method.
21:27:18 <MSJacob> smaug: No particular opinion.
21:27:21 <MSJacob> shepazu:  I'
21:27:29 <MSJacob> shepazu: I'll add it in and we'll see.
21:27:54 <shepazu> Topic: focusin, focusout
21:28:29 <MSJacob> shepazu: I added them in but I might deprecate them.
21:28:39 <MSJacob> smaug:  Add it and deprecate it? why?
21:30:23 <MSJacob> shepazu:  Included to provide context for supporting IE, but deprecated.
21:31:17 <MSJacob> MSJacob:  Including it simply for documentation of IE7/8 support doesn't make sense since IE doesn't support DOM events. But if they solve a different scenario, then they should be included.
21:33:02 <MSJacob> MSJacob: I may have usage data for sites in IE8 that I can send out.
21:33:04 <shepazu> Topic: mouseenter, mouseleave
21:33:56 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-mouseenter
21:34:14 <annevk> (link doesn't work)
21:35:13 <annevk> (btw, I read that text earlier today and I'm not sure event target is the term you want to use, isn't it about the node the listener is registered on?)
21:35:31 <MSJacob> MSJacob:  I think there's significant asks for this on the web. Specifically, the best argument is they are the equivelant of :hover pseudo-class.
21:37:51 <MSJacob> smaug: the wording may not be exactly correct.
21:38:56 <MSJacob> MSJacob:  yes, the "propagation path must end at the event target element" is not exactly accurate
21:39:12 <MSJacob> shepazu:  we should have a more detailed discussion on the mailing list
21:39:27 <MSJacob> topic: What next for the spec?
21:39:41 <MSJacob> shepazu:  composition events, and detail of keyboard event behaviors
21:41:02 <MSJacob> shepazu:  no meeting next week, I'm out of town
21:42:50 <MSJacob> dand:  still some open issues with composition events
21:43:13 <MSJacob> dand:  some proposed API solutions, but not 100% sure....requires more discussion
21:43:29 <MSJacob> shepazu: I'll put this in the spec and we'll keep on discussing
21:44:30 <MSJacob> shepazu: maybe I'll make a wiki page that people can edit for open issues
21:45:21 <MSJacob> shepazu: I've been talking to wacom about influencing tablet/touch events
21:47:21 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:47:27 <Zakim> -dand
21:47:32 <Zakim> -Shepazu
21:47:36 <shepazu> trackbot, stop telcon
21:47:36 <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
21:47:40 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
21:47:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:47:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug, dand
21:47:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:47:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/29-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
21:47:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:47:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items