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19:30:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
19:30:13 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2009
19:30:16 <Zakim> +Wu_Chou
19:30:20 <Bob> chair: Bob Freund
19:30:37 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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19:31:10 <Zakim> +[IBM]
19:31:22 <dug> zakim, IBM is Dug
19:31:22 <Zakim> +Dug; got it
19:31:29 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jul/0060.html
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19:33:05 <gpilz> I'll drown myself tonight, in sangrehia / made with sliced up fruit and cheap marsala
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19:36:20 <Bob> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jul/0060.html
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19:37:19 <Bob> Scribe: Sreedhara Narayanaswamy
19:37:27 <Bob> scribenick: Sreed
19:38:13 <Sreed> Bob: Agenda accepted
19:39:05 <Bob> Topic: Action Items
19:39:07 <Bob> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/tracker/actions/open
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19:41:19 <Zakim> -Mark_Little
19:42:17 <Sreed> Bob: Issue 6917
19:43:16 <Sreed> Bob: Need to address this issue
19:44:37 <Sreed> Bob: Discussion of 6917 in F2F
19:48:14 <li> q+
19:48:25 <Bob> ack li
19:48:31 <Geoff> q+
19:49:22 <Sreed> Li: Discuss the agenda of publication 
19:49:23 <Bob> ack geoff
19:49:53 <Sreed> Geoff: Working on it will send it over the week
19:50:08 <Sreed> Bob: Need by Thursday
19:50:19 <Sreed> Bob: Any other item for the F2F
19:51:10 <dug> chair slaps Geoff for not getting the wine list
19:51:49 <Sreed> Bob: New issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7127 
19:53:14 <Sreed> Tom Rutt: Notification defintion discussing about the mechanism  would be required
19:53:52 <Sreed> Tom Rutt: Proposed solution require Notification defintion which is the application content of the defintion, need discussion on this
19:54:26 <Sreed> Bob: Accepting New issue 7127 & Tom Rutt will be taking the ownership
19:56:07 <gpilz> q+
19:56:32 <Bob> ack gpil
19:57:35 <Tom_Rutt> q+
19:58:16 <Sreed> gpilz: 6401 reference parameters information trying to work which is specific - the way description
19:58:25 <Bob> ack tom
19:59:20 <Sreed> Bob: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6692  
20:00:18 <Sreed> Geoff: Joint proposal - discussion IBM & Microsoft had which is based on the last F2F
20:02:38 <Sreed> Geoff: push mode is not currently specified in the spec, delivery element is still exists - original spec when push mode is undefined. Wording changes push/make connections which will be handled 6432
20:04:56 <li> q+
20:05:35 <Bob> ack li
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20:07:01 <Bob> ack dug
20:07:28 <Sreed> Dug: Notifications can be delivered
20:07:28 <Bob> ack gpi
20:08:02 <Sreed> gpliz: It is not clear 
20:08:47 <gpilz> hello?
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20:09:04 <Sreed> Bob: Asynchronous with specific to
20:10:12 <Zakim> + +1.408.642.aagg
20:10:13 <dug> I can live w/o "async" - same end result
20:11:33 <Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jul/att-0057/wseventing-6692-10.doc
20:11:50 <Sreed> Bob: Any objection accepting the proposal
20:12:04 <dug> "This specification defines only an asynchronous method of delivery for notifications from the event source to event sink.  "
20:12:18 <dug> "The absence of any extensions to the wse:Delivery or wse:NotifyTo elements indicates that notifications should be asynchronously sent as SOAP messages to the endpoint described in lines (21-28). "
20:12:29 <dug> "When present this element indicates that notifications MUST be asynchronously sent to the EndpointReference identified by this element."
20:13:08 <dug> This specification defines only one method of delivery for notifications from the event source to event sink.
20:13:17 <dug> ??
20:14:19 <dug> This specification a method of delivery for notifications from the event source to the event sink.
20:14:27 <li> q+
20:14:31 <dug> This specification defines a method of delivery for notifications from the event source to the event sink.
20:14:45 <Bob> ack li
20:15:01 <gpilz> This specification defines a method for delivering notifications from the event source to the event sink.
20:15:25 <Sreed> li: define is reference to the event - async some kind of i/p 
20:15:57 <Sreed> Bob: Eventing with message cause to flow back
20:16:36 <Zakim> - +984999aadd
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20:17:43 <Wu> q+
20:18:02 <gpilz> This specification defines a method for transmitting notifications from the event source to the event sink.
20:18:07 <Bob> ack wu
20:18:13 <gpilz> q+
20:18:28 <dug> maybe we should delete this sentence??
20:18:39 <dug> :-)
20:18:47 <Wu> This specification defines a subscribe/notify method ...
20:18:57 <Sreed> Bob: Wu what text you propose
20:19:36 <dug> "This specification defines a method for transmitting notifications from the event source to the event sink through the inclusion of the wse:NotifyTo EPR."
20:19:38 <dug> q+
20:19:52 <Wu> This specification defines a subscribe/notify method for transmitting notifications from the event source to the event sink.
20:19:59 <gpilz> hello?
20:20:11 <gpilz> my mic isn't working
20:20:16 <dug> "This specification defines a method for transmitting notifications from the event source to the event sink through the use of the wse:NotifyTo element."
20:20:20 <Bob> ack dug
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20:20:57 <Sreed> dug: how we actually do it 
20:21:10 <Geoff> +1 for doug
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20:21:13 <gpilz> q+
20:21:26 <Bob> ack gpi
20:22:10 <Geoff> q+
20:22:18 <Bob> ack geoff
20:22:24 <gpilz> q+
20:22:51 <Bob> ack gpi
20:23:03 <Bob> "This specification defines a method for transmitting notifications from the event source to the event sink through the use of thewse:NotifyTo element." 
20:23:26 <Bob> no objections
20:23:48 <Sreed> Bob: any objectiosn to other two sentenses
20:24:05 <Bob> no objections to the removal of asynchronously in the other two places
20:24:45 <asir> Vow!!
20:25:08 <asir> Certainly progress!
20:27:08 <Sreed> RESOLUTION: 6692 Modification in bugzilla
20:28:42 <Bob> comment: chair to add modifications to bugzilla reflecting the thre agreements above
20:29:39 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6432#c5
20:30:17 <Sreed> Bob: new poposal
20:30:52 <Bob> s/prposal/proposal in the bugzilla
20:30:59 <gpilz> +1
20:31:14 <li> q+
20:31:22 <Bob> ack li
20:32:28 <Wu> q+
20:32:41 <gpilz> q+
20:33:01 <Ram> q+
20:33:02 <Bob> ack wu
20:33:32 <Sreed> Wu: suggest wording changes 
20:33:59 <Bob> ack gpi
20:35:12 <Bob> ack ram
20:36:58 <Ram> Proposal for 6432: "When the wse:NotifyTo element is used within the Delivery element it specifies the endpoint to which Notifications are sent. For delivery to addressable endpoints this is sufficient. However, for non-addressable endpoints some additional mechanisms are needed. A subscriber can choose to leverage the WS-MakeConnection] specification to enable delivery of Notifications to non-addressable endpoints."
20:37:07 <dug> q+
20:37:18 <Sreed> Bob: Ram are suggesting specific changes to the text in the proposal
20:37:23 <Wu> q+
20:37:24 <Bob> ack dug
20:39:06 <Bob> ack wu
20:40:45 <Sreed> Bob: Wu Are you supporting Ram's text
20:41:04 <Ram> q+
20:41:41 <Bob> ack ram
20:41:43 <Sreed> Bob: we might have to discuss and close this in F2F
20:43:01 <dug> q+
20:43:23 <Ram> Bob says: There needs to be two implementations for optional features. If not, those features may need to be marked at risk.
20:43:36 <Bob> ack dug
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20:43:52 <Bob> ack asir
20:44:11 <gpilz> q+
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20:44:21 <Bob> ack gpil
20:44:23 <Sreed> Asir: might not to test anything at all
20:47:18 <Sreed> Bob: We can discuss this next week
20:48:26 <dug> q-
20:49:10 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7136
20:49:48 <li> geoff: where is the link to the proposal?
20:50:09 <Sreed> Geoff: Information with the subscription currently in the spec. Complexity of having two models how we can differentiate it. 
20:50:13 <Sreed> Geoff
20:50:16 <dug> q+
20:52:24 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jul/0079.html
20:52:44 <Bob> ack dug
20:53:03 <Sreed> dug: might be re-inventing transfer in this
20:54:02 <Geoff> +q
20:54:26 <Bob> ack geoff
20:54:50 <dug> q+
20:55:08 <Bob> N.B. both Oracle and IBM mentioned that they would be able to demonstrate implementations of eventing composed with MC during CR
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20:55:45 <Bob> ack dug
20:56:53 <Bob> ack gpi
20:56:56 <dug> +1 gil
20:57:53 <Geoff> q+
20:58:09 <Bob> ack geo
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20:59:48 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:59:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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21:00:05 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
21:00:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.908.696.aaaa, +1.571.262.aabb, Bob_Freund, +91.98.49.99.aacc, [Microsoft], +984999aadd, +25625660aaee, Wu_Chou, Ashok_Malhotra, Dug, +1.408.642.aaff, Mark_Little,
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21:10:28 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:10:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
21:12:36 <Bob> trackbot, end telecon
21:12:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:12:36 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:12:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:12:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-ws-ra-minutes.html trackbot
21:12:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:12:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items