IRC log of mwts on 2009-07-28
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 14:58:09 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #mwts
- 14:58:09 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-irc
- 14:58:30 [wilhelm]
- Zakim, this will be TS
- 14:58:30 [Zakim]
- "TS" matches I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM, and MWI_TSWG()11:00AM, wilhelm
- 14:58:30 [dom]
- trackbot, start meeting
- 14:58:32 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 14:58:34 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be MWI_TS
- 14:58:34 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
- 14:58:35 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
- 14:58:35 [trackbot]
- Date: 28 July 2009
- 14:59:22 [Zakim]
- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
- 14:59:29 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 15:00:18 [Marcos]
- Marcos has joined #mwts
- 15:00:20 [Zakim]
- +dom
- 15:00:26 [Zakim]
- + +47.23.69.aaaa
- 15:00:38 [dom]
- zakim, aaaa is Wilhelm
- 15:00:38 [Zakim]
- +Wilhelm; got it
- 15:00:46 [dom]
- zakim, ??P3 is Kai
- 15:00:46 [Zakim]
- +Kai; got it
- 15:01:07 [hendry]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/
- 15:01:15 [Zakim]
- + +1.479.524.aabb
- 15:01:25 [Marcos]
- zakim, +1.479.524.aabb is me
- 15:01:25 [Zakim]
- +Marcos; got it
- 15:01:34 [hendry]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/ versus http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
- 15:02:00 [dom]
- Topic: Widgets testing
- 15:02:21 [dom]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jul/0011.html
- 15:02:37 [dom]
- ACTION-52: pending review from Wilhelm's manager
- 15:02:37 [trackbot]
- ACTION-52 Draft a blog post on SPARTAN notes added
- 15:02:43 [dom]
- ACTION-2?
- 15:02:43 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
- 15:02:43 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
- 15:03:00 [dom]
- Kai: I'm writing up a guide on how to run the framework on linux
- 15:03:12 [dom]
- ... not sure how people are supposed to contribute to that framework without running it
- 15:03:26 [dom]
- ... it's quite hard to get it running, and thus quite hard to contributes tests to it
- 15:03:47 [dom]
- Wilhelm: we have set up a server where internally people can just push their tests
- 15:03:57 [dom]
- Kai: but how would we open that up to a larger audience?
- 15:04:17 [dom]
- Wilhelm: it could work to open up write access with quick moderation
- 15:04:28 [dom]
- Kai: quick moderation sounds tricky
- 15:04:36 [dom]
- ISSUE: how to open up access to WTF
- 15:04:36 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-5 - How to open up access to WTF ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/issues/5/edit .
- 15:04:42 [dom]
- ACTION-62?
- 15:04:42 [trackbot]
- ACTION-62 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to send feedback on the contribution guide for widgets test suites -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
- 15:04:42 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62
- 15:05:21 [dom]
- Kai: I've made some progress on the regular widget tests suites http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/suite/
- 15:05:28 [dom]
- ... still need to match it up with the test plan
- 15:05:39 [dom]
- ... that needs an update since the assertions have changed
- 15:05:51 [dom]
- ... I have spent some time filling up the test plan boxes
- 15:06:54 [hendry]
- Marcos: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
- 15:06:59 [dom]
- Marcos: would like to expand on what Dom has started by adding the notion of classes of products
- 15:07:07 [dom]
- ... and start by populating the tables
- 15:07:14 [dom]
- Kai: we already have that table
- 15:07:19 [dom]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
- 15:07:49 [dom]
- q+
- 15:08:13 [dom]
- Marcos: the assertions are still changing a bit; I would need someone to review them btw
- 15:08:22 [dom]
- ack me
- 15:10:08 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to update the test plan with the latest assertions
- 15:10:08 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-66 - Update the test plan with the latest assertions [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].
- 15:10:33 [hendry]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/
- 15:10:37 [dom]
- Kai: the other confusing thing is Marcos' document with the extracted test assertions
- 15:10:43 [dom]
- ... will it be different? the same document?
- 15:11:07 [dom]
- Marcos: I'd like to see a way to match the plan to the assertions
- 15:11:37 [dom]
- ... I could add an id to each line/paragraph
- 15:12:52 [dom]
- Dom: it would help if each assertion had a more stable id than they do right now
- 15:13:18 [dom]
- ... probably not a big deal for this doc, but would be useful going forward
- 15:13:39 [dom]
- ... also, the notion of adding a class per assertion to classify per class of product would be great
- 15:14:32 [dom]
- Marcos: what about the review of test assertions?
- 15:14:44 [dom]
- Dom: I think we'll send feedback as we find problems in the assertions
- 15:14:54 [dom]
- Marcos: ok, I'll add ids to the assertions then
- 15:15:08 [dom]
- Kai: sounds really good
- 15:15:31 [dom]
- ACTION-63?
- 15:15:31 [trackbot]
- ACTION-63 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to add testing strategies to widget test contrbutions guide -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
- 15:15:31 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/63
- 15:15:49 [dom]
- http://dabase.com/blog/Contribute_Widget_tests/
- 15:17:23 [dom]
- Marcos: a widget test contribution guide would be very useful
- 15:17:40 [dom]
- Kai: I'd be happy to improve my current doc if that's helpful
- 15:18:32 [dom]
- Marcos: We'll need a fairly wide review of the test suite if we want it to be reliable and useful, esp. if we're getting external contributions
- 15:18:51 [dom]
- ... providing templates for building test cases would be useful
- 15:18:58 [dom]
- ... maybe that's something we can work on together
- 15:19:28 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide
- 15:19:29 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-67 - Work with Marcos on developing templates and contributions guide [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
- 15:19:55 [hendry]
- http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtqa;a=tree;f=misc; # templates used in the widget suite so far
- 15:20:06 [dom]
- Marcos: we'll see if there are templates we can contribute
- 15:20:11 [dom]
- Wilhelm: and maybe even test casses
- 15:20:14 [dom]
- s/casses/cases/
- 15:21:32 [dom]
- Kai: what about licensing?
- 15:21:52 [dom]
- Note that tests developed during this event will be made under the Policies for Contribution of Test Cases to W3C - in particular, contributors that do not belong to the W3C Web Applications Working Group or the W3C Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group will need to agree with the terms of the Grant of License for Contributed Test Cases Published Outside a W3C Recommendation.
- 15:21:56 [dom]
- http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases
- 15:22:01 [dom]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/testgrants2-200409/
- 15:22:30 [dom]
- [as linked from http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/widget-test/ ]
- 15:23:15 [dom]
- ACTION-65?
- 15:23:15 [trackbot]
- ACTION-65 -- Kai Hendry to take a pass at updating test plan table -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
- 15:23:15 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/65
- 15:23:21 [dom]
- Kai: I did that
- 15:23:27 [dom]
- close ACTION-65
- 15:23:27 [trackbot]
- ACTION-65 Take a pass at updating test plan table closed
- 15:23:42 [dom]
- Topic: WCTMB2
- 15:23:48 [dom]
- ACTION-55?
- 15:23:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-55 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look at WCTMB2 ideas -- due 2009-06-02 -- OPEN
- 15:23:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/55
- 15:24:09 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jul/0012.html Wilhelm's announce of possible mockup for WCTMB2
- 15:24:15 [dom]
- close ACTION-55
- 15:24:15 [trackbot]
- ACTION-55 Look at WCTMB2 ideas closed
- 15:24:25 [Zakim]
- -Marcos
- 15:24:38 [dom]
- Wilhelm: would need feedback on the proposal, as well as new technologies, and concrete test code
- 15:24:48 [dom]
- Kai: would be interesting to get tests from webkit layout code
- 15:25:01 [dom]
- ... I could look into that
- 15:25:14 [dom]
- -> http://people.opera.com/wilhelmja/wctmb2/# WCTMB2 Mockup
- 15:25:32 [dom]
- Wilhelm: one of the principles in the current mockup is that you can get teh results through the scripting
- 15:25:36 [dom]
- ... would that be applicable here?
- 15:25:42 [dom]
- Kai: can't tell just now
- 15:25:50 [dom]
- ... have you looked at them?
- 15:25:58 [dom]
- Wilhelm: I haven't studied them closely
- 15:26:13 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to submit proposals for WCTMB2
- 15:26:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-68 - Submit proposals for WCTMB2 [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
- 15:26:25 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to review WCTMB2 proposal
- 15:26:25 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-69 - Review WCTMB2 proposal [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].
- 15:26:34 [dom]
- Topic: Blog
- 15:26:40 [dom]
- ACTION-57?
- 15:26:40 [trackbot]
- ACTION-57 -- Kai Hendry to propose another blog on widgets testing -- due 2009-06-16 -- CLOSED
- 15:26:40 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/57
- 15:27:33 [dom]
- Wilhelm: we'll also have my article later on
- 15:28:25 [dom]
- Dom: what about blogging about the Dusseldorf event?
- 15:28:37 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing
- 15:28:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-70 - Draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
- 15:28:42 [dom]
- Topic: OMA
- 15:28:46 [dom]
- ACTION-21?
- 15:28:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
- 15:28:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
- 15:28:56 [dom]
- ACTION-14?
- 15:28:56 [trackbot]
- ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
- 15:28:56 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
- 15:29:43 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2009Jun/0002.html Dom's review on new OMA XHTML test suites
- 15:29:53 [dom]
- Topic: Next meetings (August meetings)
- 15:30:13 [dom]
- Wilhelm: I'll be away much of August; maybe available next week
- 15:30:16 [dom]
- Dom: same here
- 15:31:01 [dom]
- Kai: works for me
- 15:31:36 [dom]
- RESOLVED: meeting next week, but no other meetings in August
- 15:31:45 [Zakim]
- -Kai
- 15:31:46 [Zakim]
- -dom
- 15:31:46 [Zakim]
- -Wilhelm
- 15:31:48 [Zakim]
- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
- 15:31:49 [Zakim]
- Attendees were dom, +47.23.69.aaaa, Wilhelm, Kai, Marcos
- 15:31:54 [dom]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:31:54 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html dom
- 15:32:21 [dom]
- s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
- 15:32:21 [dom]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:32:21 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html dom
- 15:33:39 [dom]
- zakim, bye
- 15:33:39 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #mwts