IRC log of swxg on 2009-07-22

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14:07:36 [PhilA2]

rrsagent, make logs public

14:07:43 [PhilA2]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:07:43 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-swxg-minutes.html PhilA2

14:08:42 [rreck]

i hope its ok to invite RRSagent after the fact

14:08:44 [mischat]

FabGandon: the metrics you pointed to seem to be about the network as a whole, which would require the social network itself to be up for sharing this information. Or am I wrong? I guess of business wouldn't share this info.

14:09:41 [rreck]

businesses that arent on top benefit by putting their own spin on the "measurements" they DO provide

14:10:08 [mischat]

but I see how the information is needed to normalise data about peoples involvement in various social networks. Which make this task of metrics a hard one.

14:15:30 [PhilA2]

scribe: rreck

14:15:30 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: requests speakers announce themselves for my benefit

14:15:30 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: scribeNick:rreck

14:15:30 [PhilA2]

DKA: http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html

14:15:30 [PhilA2]

mischat: I have to apologise I have not finished my actions. But I have found time to work on them today and tomorrow. Will mail the list when I think I am done with the work.

14:15:32 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +hhalpin

14:15:34 [PhilA2]

FabGandon: Zakim, +49.238.aadd is me

14:15:36 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +FabGandon; got it

14:15:38 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: review the minutes from last week's call

14:15:40 [PhilA2]

cperey: I cannot attend

14:15:42 [PhilA2]

cperey: yes, it is 29 july

14:15:44 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: cannot attend the next meeting

14:15:46 [PhilA2]

danbri: regrets from me (at least start of the call; will try to join later)

14:15:48 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: today's call is about metrics

14:15:50 [PhilA2]

danbri: i am away next 3 weeks also, but will update the Invites page before i leave

14:15:52 [PhilA2]

DKA: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html

14:15:54 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html

14:15:56 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: Chair: DKA

14:15:58 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: any volunteers for the actions listed on the agenda?

14:16:00 [PhilA2]

rreck: rreck: i entered a user story

14:16:02 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: q+

14:16:04 [PhilA2]

: Zakim sees PhilA on the speaker queue

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cperey: context task force is very vague

14:16:07 [PhilA2]

rreck: harry: please finish actions they have left so that next meetings are more productive

14:16:10 [PhilA2]

mischat: I have not completed my actions either. I have 2 actions to complete. One summarise our chats, and the second one was to set up a git repo of T&Cs.

14:16:13 [PhilA2]

DKA: ack phila

14:16:15 [PhilA2]

: Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

14:16:17 [PhilA2]

mischat: i will get them done soon.

14:16:19 [PhilA2]

mischat: http://www.w3.org/2007/uwa/wiki/New_Charter

14:16:21 [PhilA2]

rreck: phil: charter under development for working group about context awareness

14:16:23 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: very relevant effort

14:16:25 [PhilA2]

rreck: w

14:16:27 [PhilA2]

cperey: are they aware of what is happening in this XG?

14:16:27 [AlexKorth]

someone's pasting a lot

14:16:29 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: claudio should be interested in this

14:16:31 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: unbiquious web domain

14:16:33 [PhilA2]

mischat: no mention of the SWXG on the wiki

14:16:35 [PhilA2]

cperey: this is important

14:16:37 [PhilA2]

rreck: phil: let's not take too much time today talking about this since we have guests

14:16:39 [PhilA2]

mischat: agreed this is important work. And there is talk of actual output

14:16:41 [PhilA2]

rreck: DKA: recommends phil to invite <someone> to the next meeting

14:16:43 [PhilA2]

rreck: s /<someone>/dave

14:16:45 [PhilA2]

cperey: nope

14:16:47 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: action: PhilA to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG

14:16:49 [PhilA2]

: trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.

14:16:51 [PhilA2]

trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA

14:16:51 [trackbot]

Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

14:16:53 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: action: Phil_Archer to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG

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: trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.

14:16:57 [PhilA2]

trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Phil_Archer

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Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Phil_Archer'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

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cperey: 1

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rreck: DKA: let move on to the speaker SAm

14:17:03 [PhilA2]

mischat: yes

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PhilA2: action: Archer to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG

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: trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.

14:17:11 [PhilA2]

trackbot: Created ACTION-60 - Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG [on Phil Archer - due 2009-07-29].

14:17:11 [trackbot]

Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Created ACTION-60 - Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG [on Phil Archer - due 2009-07-29].'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

14:17:14 [PhilA2]

cperey: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/images/e/eb/20090721-GyPSii-overview.pdf

14:17:16 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: i have slides to supplement my talk

14:17:18 [PhilA2]

Zakim: + +1.781.273.aaee

14:17:20 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: can everyone see the PDF?

14:17:22 [PhilA2]

MacTed: Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software

14:17:24 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +OpenLink_Software; got it

14:17:26 [PhilA2]

MacTed: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed

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Zakim: +MacTed; got it

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MacTed: Zakim, mute me

14:17:34 [PhilA2]

Zakim: MacTed should now be muted

14:17:36 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: gypsy is introduced since iphone and googlephone

14:17:38 [PhilA2]

cperey: GyPSii was PRIOR to iPhone and Android

14:17:40 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: location based app on Windows mobile in 2003

14:17:42 [PhilA2]

rreck: sorry i got that backwards

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Zakim: -cperey

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rreck: Sam: focus is around recording your life

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rreck: Sam: and publishing thereof, facebook and twitter

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mischat: lifelogging, audio, video, image based recording of your life

14:17:52 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +cperey

14:17:54 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: user generated content is key

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rreck: Sam: finding and making friends and where they are and have been

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rreck: Sam: and what is around you

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rreck: Sam: see where things are on a map, museums, gas stations

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rreck: Sam: transport information

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rreck: Sam: messages and newsfeed

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rreck: Sam: business model is advertising based, location based

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rreck: Sam: content that is nearby. its in China and US

14:18:12 [PhilA2]

AndreaP: zakim, code

14:18:14 [PhilA2]

Zakim: I don't understand 'code', AndreaP

14:18:16 [PhilA2]

AndreaP: zakim, code?

14:18:18 [PhilA2]

Zakim: the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AndreaP

14:18:20 [PhilA2]

mischat: video of gypsii: http://www.gypsii.com/icache/video/intro_web.html

14:18:22 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: available on app stores. blackberry

14:18:24 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: Mobile Apps ? store, download & pre-installed. S60, BB, iPhone, J2ME

14:18:26 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +csma

14:18:28 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: we havent focused on mobile website in western areas

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rreck: Sam: future technologies will change this

14:18:32 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: partners can use an API

14:18:34 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: supports 18 languages

14:18:36 [PhilA2]

Zakim: + +1.617.800.aaff

14:18:38 [PhilA2]

karl: zakim, +1.617.800.aaff is karl

14:18:38 [DKA]

Phil what are you doing? :)

14:18:40 [PhilA2]

Zakim: +karl; got it

14:18:42 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: China is the busiest. cannot disclose the user numbers ATM

14:18:44 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: not the size of the largest networks

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rreck: Sam: slides 3 & 4 are screenshots

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rreck: Sam: slide 5 is about security

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rreck: Sam: default is not show location

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rreck: Sam: everyone can see profile

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rreck: Sam: Western areas are more concerned about this

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rreck: Sam: content visibility default allows everyone to see it

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rreck: Sam: these settings can be changed

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rreck: Sam: friend of friend setting is being considered for the future

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rreck: Sam: identification standard is important

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rreck: Sam: since advertising is the business model. knowing the member is important to perpetuate this

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rreck: Sam: importing and exporting media would be nice

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rreck: Sam: there are potential conflicts of interest in developing this further

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rreck: Sam: future sensor information would be useful

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rreck: Sam: metrics are useful for investors

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AlexKorth: until how many members?

14:19:16 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: opt in feature for adding comments

14:19:18 [PhilA2]

mischat: q+

14:19:20 [PhilA2]

: Zakim sees mischat on the speaker queue

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mischat: zakim, unmute me

14:19:24 [PhilA2]

Zakim: mischat should no longer be muted

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DKA: q?

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: Zakim sees mischat on the speaker queue

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DKA: ack misc

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: Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

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rreck: Sam: determining the impact of these features would be helpful

14:19:36 [PhilA2]

rreck: mischat: how much information do you need from users aside from that provided by openID

14:19:39 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: email and mobile phone number is requested

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rreck: Sam: we contact people through those vectors

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rreck: Sam: we ask for name but cannot verify it

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rreck: Sam: we hope to collect additional information

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rreck: mischat: are you allowing people to comment on locations?

14:19:48 [PhilA2]

rreck: Sam: this requires identification of a place at a location. comments about that place is then possible

14:19:50 [PhilA2]

rreck: mischat: i believe the information you request is available through openID

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rreck: Sam: can we retain that information?

14:19:54 [PhilA2]

PhilA2: zakim, close action-60

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Zakim: I don't understand 'close action-60', PhilA2

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rreck: mischat: yes, through an unique identifier. A URI

14:20:00 [PhilA2]

karl: http://twitter.com/fil_rezo_net/status/2777730072

14:20:41 [AlexKorth]

dont we have a better flood protection here?

14:21:27 [AlexKorth]

where have all the hyper-sensitive IRC bots gone? ;)

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