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12:56:26 <josema> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Jul/0011
12:58:26 <Rachel> Rachel has joined #egov
12:59:17 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
12:59:24 <Zakim> + +073411aaaa
12:59:56 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aabb
13:00:07 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aabb
13:00:31 <hughb> josema: +073411 is me
13:00:42 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aacc
13:00:43 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aadd
13:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.216.443.aaee
13:00:47 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
13:00:47 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
13:00:48 <Zakim> +Josema
13:00:51 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aadd
13:00:56 <kevin> ouch what is the noise?
13:01:01 <Zakim> - +1.202.626.aacc
13:01:05 <Zakim> - +1.216.443.aaee
13:01:06 <hughb> squealing noise?
13:01:11 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
13:01:22 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:01:27 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aaff
13:01:44 <josema> zakim, who is making noise?
13:01:45 <AdamHarvey> AdamHarvey has joined #egov
13:01:54 <kevin> sounds like a vacuum cleaner
13:01:55 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:02:05 <hughb> kevin: yes
13:02:08 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aagg
13:02:11 <josema> and zakim cannot identify where it's coming from :(
13:02:11 <hughb> could be my handset
13:02:13 <Zakim> + +1.216.443.aahh
13:02:23 <Zakim> - +1.216.443.aahh
13:02:27 <hughb> let me unplug the headset
13:02:29 <josema> I suggest all to hung up and re-start the call
13:02:33 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aaii
13:02:43 <hughb> was me
13:02:49 <Owen> Owen has joined #egov
13:02:59 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +073411aaaa, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.202.564.aaii
13:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb
13:03:10 <Zakim> + +1.216.443.aajj
13:03:17 <AdamHarvey> Zakim, I am aajj
13:03:17 <Zakim> +AdamHarvey; got it
13:03:29 <Rachel> aagg is rachel
13:03:36 <josema> zakim, aaaa is hughb
13:03:36 <Zakim> +hughb; got it
13:03:44 <Zakim> +??P15
13:03:53 <josema> zakim, aagg is rachel
13:03:53 <Zakim> +rachel; got it
13:04:04 <josema> zakim, ??P15 is Owen
13:04:04 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
13:04:10 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:04:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see hughb, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, rachel, +1.202.564.aaii, AdamHarvey, Owen
13:04:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb
13:04:34 <josema> zakim, aaff is kevin
13:04:34 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
13:04:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel_Bennett has joined #egov
13:04:57 <josema> zakim, aaii is brand
13:04:57 <Zakim> +brand; got it
13:05:15 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aakk
13:05:32 <josema> zakim, aakk is Daniel_Bennett
13:05:32 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
13:06:10 <josema> agenda?
13:06:17 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:06:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema]
13:08:32 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:08:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see hughb, Josema, kevin, rachel, brand, AdamHarvey, Owen, Daniel_Bennett
13:08:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb
13:08:36 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List
13:10:31 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences
13:10:52 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
13:11:46 <AdamHarvey> I wish I could scribe, but I field questions from my boss and coworkers during the meetings... sorry guys
13:12:47 <josema> scribe: josema
13:13:04 <josema> agenda?
13:14:23 <josema> [brand is scribing offline]
13:14:43 <josema> [just summarized stuff in here]
13:15:09 <AdamHarvey> +1 to reconvene on August 19
13:15:11 <josema> next meeting: August 19th
13:15:16 <josema> agenda?
13:15:21 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:15:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Data.gov.* memo" taken up [from josema]
13:15:39 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Data-gov-memo
13:20:22 <Daniel_Bennett> fyi- Tim O'Reilly interview on WAMU about eGov http://wamu.org/programs/kn/09/07/21.php#27051
13:23:07 <josema> [discussing timeline and window of opportunity]
13:23:23 <josema> [maybe O'Reilly Summit as milestone?]
13:24:42 <josema> ->http://www.gov2summit.com/ O'Reilly Gov 2.0 Summit
13:27:26 <kevin> adam?
13:28:13 <josema> [adam, daniel volunteer to draw some diagrams for the memo]
13:28:47 <josema> ACTION: adam to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo
13:28:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
13:28:57 <josema> ACTION: daniel to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo
13:28:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
13:29:15 <josema> LOL!
13:29:22 <josema> agtenda?
13:29:25 <josema> agdna?
13:29:27 <josema> agenda?
13:31:04 <AdamHarvey> I'll work with Daniel on that too.
13:31:14 <josema> [daniel and adam to review text, too]
13:31:47 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:31:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Charter and Plan" taken up [from josema]
13:32:14 <josema> ACTION: daniel to draft memo text based on what is there already
13:32:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
13:32:21 <josema> ACTION: adam to draft memo text based on what is there already
13:32:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
13:32:54 <Zakim> +john
13:33:28 <john> john has joined #egov
13:34:03 <john> agenda?
13:34:54 <john> Hi Hugh! Great work :)
13:35:03 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Hugh
13:35:40 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter
13:38:18 <john> Josema is explaining the ideosyncracies of W3C
13:40:25 <hughb> better understanding of exact requirements would help streamline the process
13:41:03 <john> josema is the only person who understands the W3C processes amongst us - it's byzantine 
13:41:13 <josema> ACTION: josema to produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes
13:41:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-07-29].
13:42:04 <john> sounds great
13:42:07 <josema> agenda?
13:43:14 <john> and me
13:43:36 <josema> agenda?
13:43:43 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:43:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "eGov/Comm Planning Calls" taken up [from josema]
13:44:28 <hughb> bye!
13:44:29 <AdamHarvey> Goodnight Hugh!
13:44:30 <john> thanks hugh!
13:44:35 <josema> thanks hugh!
13:44:49 <Zakim> -hughb
13:48:26 <josema> [kevin, josema review current activities, some media opportunities, events]
13:48:41 <josema> [that are being regularly reviewed with Comm/Edelman]
13:49:36 <AdamHarvey> I'll help with design. I can't develop though
13:50:21 <josema> This will replace the current http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/
13:50:48 <josema> see beta W3C site look and feel: http://beta.w3.org/
13:53:49 <Daniel_Bennett> looks like this is being used http://www.smarty.net/
13:54:37 <john> for the start of new charter?
13:54:59 <Daniel_Bennett> for beta.w3.org
13:55:10 <AdamHarvey> Yup, I'm listening
13:57:20 <john> I will
13:57:31 <josema> scribe: john
13:57:50 <john> I shall just capture stuff on IRC - and we merge after the event?
13:57:53 <josema> ACTION: daniel to take a look at eGov home design
13:57:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
13:57:58 <josema> yup
13:58:06 <josema> ACTION: adam to take a look at eGov home design
13:58:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
13:58:15 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
13:58:15 <Zakim> agendum 5. "What's going on" taken up [from josema]
13:58:16 <john> Kevin: explaining that conversations with comms team relates to charter 2
13:58:42 <AdamHarvey> Heh
13:58:43 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html josema
13:58:44 <john> Kevin: O'Reilly summit - case studies submitted by Daniel and John. Also submitted panel idea
13:58:48 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
13:58:48 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-58-48
13:59:16 <john> Kevin: waiting for outcomes of those submissions. Fingers crossed.
13:59:18 <AdamHarvey> Any chance there are extra invites to the Summit? I've never heard back from them.
14:01:10 <josema> [PdF]
14:01:44 <john> josema, can you close last agenda item (forgotten IRC code)
14:01:55 <josema> agenda?
14:02:23 <josema> adam, I think kevin's the man; we'll ask Edelman again later today, I think word was we won't hear from O'Reilly folks until early August?
14:03:30 <josema> I wonders if group heard of "our" presence at NYC hearing by the time... http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/07/data_in_the_city
14:03:33 <john> Rachel: had conversations with folk, frustrated by statutory requirements. Great to talk to passionate people, who want to make gov on the web better
14:04:02 <josema> meeting: eGov IG Call
14:04:06 <Zakim> -Owen
14:04:09 <josema> chair: kevin, john
14:04:33 <josema> zakim, list attendees
14:04:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +073411aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, +1.202.626.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.216.443.aaee, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.216.443.aahh,
14:04:36 <Zakim> ... +1.202.564.aaii, +1.216.443.aajj, AdamHarvey, hughb, rachel, Owen, kevin, brand, +1.202.449.aakk, Daniel_Bennett, john
14:04:37 <john> Rachel: lots of volunteer activity by people who want to help make gov on the web better. Good atmosphere, exciting times.
14:05:30 <Owen> Owen has joined #egov
14:05:49 <john> Daniel: concurs with Rachel; big difference from last year, government folks more engaged. Clear leadership coming from top of Fed Gov
14:06:29 <john> Daniel: but a focus on web standards seems missing - that's the opportunity for us
14:07:10 <OAmbur> OAmbur has joined #egov
14:07:41 <john> Rachel: missed unveiling of dashboard
14:07:45 <josema> oh, no... so sorry!
14:07:55 <john> Rachel: there was lots of whooting
14:08:22 <john> Aside: this is so American - all this shouting and yelling. You guys! ;)
14:08:52 <john> Rachel: represenatatives of federal web managers council will be joining CIO Council
14:08:57 <john> Kevin: good to hear
14:09:28 <Zakim> +??P0
14:09:46 <josema> zakim, ??P0 is Owen
14:09:46 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
14:10:01 <josema> http://eups20.wordpress.com/
14:10:24 <john> Josema: a group of 8-10 people led by David Osimo
14:10:58 <john> Josema: idea is, instead of a Ministerial declaration, do something else: put meat into the thinking.
14:11:29 <josema> http://eups20.uservoice.com/
14:11:40 <john> Josema: project is on same lines as open gov initiative in US, using  the uservoice platform
14:12:01 <john> Josema: opened for ideas, ended a week ago
14:12:24 <Daniel_Bennett> go jose!!!
14:12:27 <john> Josema: many ideas, most voted was open government data
14:12:47 <john> Josema: many other ideas were about OGD
14:13:06 <josema> http://mixedink.com/Eups20/Transparentgovernment
14:13:19 <john> Josema: now gathering most compelling ideas, for presenting to commission for ministerial declaration
14:13:49 <john> Josema: produce a doc that can be attached to declaration
14:14:07 <john> Josema: social media tools helped build engagement
14:14:22 <john> Josema: project was a good experience
14:14:43 <john> q+
14:14:56 <josema> ack jo
14:15:42 <john> http://transport.data.gov.uk/0/id/road/M5
14:16:02 <Daniel_Bennett> oooh secret gov. data
14:16:16 <john> or http://services.data.gov.uk/sparql
14:16:28 <Daniel_Bennett> hmmmm. rdf data
14:17:20 <josema> congrats!!!
14:17:32 <john> I know - it's not secret, just not announced
14:18:13 <josema> next meeting: Aug, 19th
14:18:20 <josema> next scribe: daniel
14:18:20 <AdamHarvey> Thanks Daniel.
14:18:23 <john> Daniel: I'll scribe
14:18:41 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
14:18:48 <AdamHarvey> hasta luego!
14:18:57 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
14:19:00 <Zakim> -rachel
14:19:11 <Zakim> -Owen
14:19:17 <Zakim> -AdamHarvey
14:19:20 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:19:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, kevin, brand, john
14:19:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, Daniel_Bennett, AdamHarvey, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb
14:19:25 <josema> zakim, drop brand
14:19:25 <Zakim> brand is being disconnected
14:19:26 <Zakim> -brand
14:19:32 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:19:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, kevin, john
14:19:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb
14:20:58 <josema> rrsagent, make minutes
14:20:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html josema
14:26:05 <Zakim> -Josema
14:26:07 <Zakim> -john
14:26:20 <josema> zakim, drop kevin
14:26:20 <Zakim> kevin is being disconnected
14:26:21 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
14:26:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +073411aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, +1.202.626.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.216.443.aaee, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.216.443.aahh, +1.202.564.aaii,
14:26:25 <Zakim> ... +1.216.443.aajj, AdamHarvey, hughb, rachel, Owen, kevin, brand, +1.202.449.aakk, Daniel_Bennett, john
14:27:38 <josema> rrsagent, make minutes public
14:27:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:27:48 <josema> rrsagent, make logs public
14:28:41 <josema> zakim, bye
14:28:41 <Zakim> Zakim has left #egov
14:28:48 <josema> rrsagent, bye
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-actions.rdf :
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [1]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-28-47
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [2]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-28-57
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to draft memo text based on what is there already [3]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-32-14
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to draft memo text based on what is there already [4]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-32-21
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josema to produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [5]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-41-13
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daniel to take a look at eGov home design [6]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-57-53
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to take a look at eGov home design [7]
14:28:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-58-06