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12:48:30 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN 
12:48:30 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
12:48:45 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
12:48:53 <Holger> agenda+ Presentation SWING project
12:49:01 <Holger> agenda+ Discussion (Semantic Markup)
12:49:10 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
12:49:23 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
12:49:28 <Holger> agenda?
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12:50:04 <Holger> Meeting: SSN XG 21-July-2009
12:50:14 <Holger> Chair: Holger
12:50:22 <Holger> ScribeNick: Holger
12:50:31 <Holger> Topic: Apologies
12:50:58 <Holger> Arthur, Michael
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12:52:44 <Zakim> + +073224aaaa
12:53:10 <Holger> zakim, +073224aaaa is me.
12:53:10 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
12:55:44 <Zakim> +??P7
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12:56:51 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
12:56:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, ??P7
12:57:10 <Zakim> +??P8
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13:01:09 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:01:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, ??P7, ??P8
13:01:25 <Zakim> + +49.25.aabb
13:01:47 <krzysztof_j> zakim, +49.25aabb is me
13:01:47 <Zakim> sorry, krzysztof_j, I do not recognize a party named '+49.25aabb'
13:02:10 <krzysztof_j> zakim, +49.25.aabb is me
13:02:10 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
13:02:38 <Holger> Hi Oscar
13:02:51 <Zakim> + +0797376aacc
13:02:53 <cory> cory has joined #ssn
13:03:08 <Zakim> + +34.91.336.aadd
13:03:29 <ocorcho> +3491336aadd is ocorcho
13:03:31 <krp> zakim, +0797376aacc is krp
13:03:37 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:03:41 <ocorcho> zakim, +3491336aadd is ocorcho
13:03:43 <Zakim> +ocorcho; got it
13:03:55 <ocorcho> zakim, rgarcia is with me
13:03:58 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
13:04:10 <Zakim> +Prateek
13:04:40 <Holger> ScribeNick: ocorcho
13:05:00 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
13:05:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, ??P7, ??P8, krzysztof_j, krp, ocorcho, Prateek
13:05:02 <Zakim> ocorcho has ocorcho, rgarcia
13:07:19 <Holger> agenda?
13:10:21 <ocorcho> Topic: Presentation from SWING project
13:11:35 <Holger> zakim, mute me
13:11:35 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:12:02 <ocorcho> Sven Schade: presenting the SWING project
13:13:12 <ocorcho> ... in the geospatial Web, semantics can represent the real world
13:13:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:13:47 <ocorcho> ... annotation is the connection between the data model and ontologies
13:13:53 <Zakim> + +1.206.662.aaee
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13:15:04 <ocorcho> ... original problems: lack of ontologies, requires specialists to annotate, high learning curve
13:17:23 <ocorcho> ... using WSMO
13:18:22 <Holger> zakim, who's making noise?
13:18:33 <Zakim> Holger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: krzysztof_j (85%), ??P7 (4%), ocorcho (19%)
13:18:42 <ocorcho> zakim, mute me
13:18:43 <Zakim> ocorcho should now be muted
13:19:59 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aaff
13:20:50 <ocorcho> ... feature type ontology, connected through subConceptOf relationships with OGC and ISO ontologies, and annotating domain ontologies
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13:21:32 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aagg
13:26:53 <ocorcho> ... presentations at several standardisation meetings
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13:29:01 <Holger> zakim, unmute me
13:29:01 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
13:29:13 <ocorcho> zakim, unmute me
13:29:13 <Zakim> ocorcho should no longer be muted
13:29:16 <ocorcho> +q
13:29:31 <Holger> ack ocorcho
13:29:47 <cory> +q
13:29:51 <ocorcho> zakim, mute me
13:29:51 <Zakim> ocorcho should now be muted
13:30:14 <Holger> zakim, mute me
13:30:14 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:30:34 <ocorcho> ocorcho: which languages are these ontologies available?
13:30:52 <jgraybea> voice is unintelligible for me (echoes)
13:30:55 <krzysztof_j> the link http://swing.uni-muenster.de/core/
13:31:26 <Holger> zakim, unmute me
13:31:26 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
13:31:28 <bermudez> +q
13:31:33 <ocorcho> Sven: the repository will be alive
13:31:44 <ocorcho> ... and ontologies can be exported into OWL
13:32:01 <Holger> ack cory
13:32:24 <ocorcho> cory: different levels of annotation (metadata, schema, etc.). Is there any discussion about which level is more useful?
13:33:12 <ocorcho> Sven: mainly using metadata level annotations, although other types of annotations could be useful
13:33:34 <ocorcho> ... some discussions in the OGC discussion paper, and looking for more experiencies
13:33:44 <Holger> zakim, mute me
13:33:44 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:34:21 <ocorcho> cory: it seems more like concept to concept annotation, instead of instance to instance, or other types
13:34:42 <ocorcho> sven: annotations between feature type ontology and domain ontologies are at the instance level
13:34:57 <Holger> zakim, unmute me
13:34:57 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
13:35:18 <Holger> ack bermudez
13:35:27 <Holger> zakim, mute me
13:35:27 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:35:37 <ocorcho> Luis: how many concepts are there in the registry? Do you want to the details of capturing unit semantics in different domains?
13:37:07 <ocorcho> sven: GML data can be transformed into a set of domain-independent ontologies. Also domain ontologies available. Also an ontology of measurement units
13:37:09 <Holger> zakim, unmute me
13:37:09 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
13:38:26 <ocorcho> cory: it seems that service descriptions are somehow out of the scope of the group for the time being
13:38:33 <ocorcho> ... but good presentation overall
13:39:40 <ocorcho> kerry: how have you solved the issue of requiring specialists for annotation?
13:39:42 <Holger> zakim, mute me
13:39:42 <Zakim> Holger should now be muted
13:41:26 <jgraybea> Question: How often did you (do you) reuse ontologies developed elsewhere?
13:42:03 <ocorcho> sven: in the SWING project there were domain experts, who were able to use annotation tools, so it was not a major issue.
13:45:14 <Holger> zakim, unmute me
13:45:14 <Zakim> Holger should no longer be muted
13:45:15 <ocorcho> kerry: it seems that there were no special mechanisms for specialists to provide missing knowledge, adapt existing one, etc., isn't it?
13:45:20 <ocorcho> sven: yes
13:45:48 <ocorcho> jgraybeal: How often did you (do you) reuse ontologies developed elsewhere?
13:47:39 <ocorcho> sven: some were reused, although translated to WSML. Much harder with domain ontologies. Reuse still an issue
13:48:47 <ocorcho> sven: some similarity reasoning techniques were tried
13:50:29 <jgraybea> interesting that the condition of the foreign ontologies (unannotated, not modular) prevented reuse
13:51:35 <ocorcho> zakim, agenda?
13:51:35 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:51:37 <Zakim> 1. Roll call [from Holger]
13:51:39 <Zakim> 2. Presentation SWING project [from Holger]
13:51:40 <Zakim> 3. Discussion (Semantic Markup) [from Holger]
13:51:41 <Zakim> 4. Actions from last meeting [from Holger]
13:51:41 <Zakim> 5. AOB [from Holger]
13:52:31 <ocorcho> Topic: Actions from last meeting. versioning of ontologies
13:53:22 <krzysztof_j> +q
13:53:23 <ocorcho> Holger: no conclusions yet. We do not understand well the licenses issues. Not sure if sharing our developments yet in sourceforge
13:53:51 <ocorcho> Krzysztof: Creative Commons License seems to be used quite well
13:54:19 <ocorcho> ACTION: Holger to check license requirements for W3C projects
13:54:47 <jgraybea> +q
13:55:04 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
13:55:06 <krzysztof_j> basically only that we should make all our work public asap
13:56:09 <ocorcho> jgraybea: basic consensus reached in the mailing lists: normal CVS versioning vs common repository
13:56:25 <Holger> ack jgraybea
13:56:45 <krzysztof_j> yes
13:57:01 <kerry> yes -- what john said.
13:58:34 <kerry> I would feel comfortable with John's repositiry depsite the shortcomings he noted
13:58:37 <ocorcho> ... there are repositories available out there, but there are still features that would be interesting to have (list of features available and sent to the mai,ling list)
13:59:23 <krzysztof_j> ack
13:59:25 <ocorcho> kerry: I would feel comfortable with John's repositiry depsite the shortcomings he noted
14:00:11 <rgarcia> we also agree at UPM
14:00:14 <jgraybea> +1 (thank you Kerry)
14:00:15 <krp> +1
14:00:18 <krzysztof_j> +1
14:00:21 <kerry> +1
14:00:21 <Zakim> -ocorcho
14:00:22 <Holger> +1
14:00:23 <Payam> +1
14:00:23 <cory> +1
14:01:26 <kerry> +q
14:01:33 <krzysztof_j> +q
14:01:55 <Holger> ScribeNick: Holger
14:02:29 <Holger> action: Holger and John to drive ontology transfer to repository
14:02:49 <Holger> ack kerry 
14:03:12 <Holger> Kerry: editing environment?
14:03:19 <jgraybea> +q
14:04:31 <Holger> John: no initial necessety for colab-protege
14:04:44 <krzysztof_j> +q
14:04:45 <kerry> +q
14:04:46 <Holger> ...investigate in parallel
14:04:58 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
14:05:04 <Holger> ack jgraybea
14:06:04 <jgraybea> a collaborative platform does make things more collaborative, which is valuable
14:06:25 <Holger> Krzysztof: some kind of colab env lowers level for participation
14:07:14 <Holger> ack kerry 
14:08:35 <krzysztof_j> i have to leave now, sorry
14:08:45 <krzysztof_j> bye
14:09:15 <Zakim> -krzysztof_j
14:10:15 <kerry> bye!
14:10:18 <Zakim> - +1.206.662.aaee
14:10:18 <Payam> bye
14:10:19 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aaff
14:10:22 <Zakim> -??P7
14:10:23 <Zakim> - +1.650.450.aagg
14:10:28 <Zakim> -??P8
14:10:29 <Zakim> -Holger
14:10:33 <Zakim> -krp
14:10:37 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:10:41 <Zakim> -Prateek
14:10:42 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:10:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Holger, krzysztof_j, +34.91.336.aadd, krp, ocorcho, rgarcia, Prateek, [IPcaller], +1.206.662.aaee, +1.202.408.aaff, +1.650.450.aagg
14:11:21 <Holger> Yes, Oscar, you left at the wrong moment ;-)
14:11:38 <bermudez> bye
14:11:48 <Holger> But that's OK, I'll finish it up.
14:12:27 <Holger> zakim, bye 
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14:12:36 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
14:12:48 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ssn-minutes.html Holger
14:13:15 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
14:13:15 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:13:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Holger to check license requirements for W3C projects [1]
14:13:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ssn-irc#T13-54-19
14:13:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Holger and John to drive ontology transfer to repository [2]
14:13:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-ssn-irc#T14-02-29