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15:59:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:15 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:59:15 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2009
16:00:00 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
16:00:07 <Zakim> +Eric
16:00:28 <Zakim> +alewis
16:00:46 <Zakim> + +0196270aaaa
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16:01:03 <mphillip> Zakim, aaaa is mphillip
16:01:03 <Zakim> +mphillip; got it
16:01:49 <Zakim> +Yves
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16:03:20 <eric> Derek - are you going to have a phone presence?
16:03:38 <mphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0009.html
16:03:57 <mphillip> Regrets: Peter 
16:04:01 <mphillip> Chair: Eric
16:04:14 <mphillip> Topic: Appointment of the scribe
16:04:21 <mphillip> Scribe: Mark
16:04:29 <eric> Minutes from last call: http://www.w3.org/2009/07/14-soap-jms-minutes.html
16:04:35 <mphillip> Topic: Minutes
16:04:47 <mphillip> No revisions
16:04:54 <Zakim> +Derek
16:04:57 <mphillip> Topic: Review the agenda
16:05:09 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review the agenda
16:06:41 <mphillip> Eric: We should add an AOB item for UDDI question
16:06:44 <mphillip> TOPIC: Review action items
16:06:58 <mphillip> Actions: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
16:07:06 <mphillip> Eric: No progress on 32
16:07:20 <mphillip> Eric: No progress on action 92
16:07:56 <mphillip> s/92/91/
16:08:14 <mphillip> Mark: Proposed changes for action 92 sent to mailing list
16:08:27 <mphillip> Derek: No progress on 68
16:08:34 <mphillip> close action-92
16:08:34 <trackbot> ACTION-92 Propose the wording for the change to split 2024 into three testable assertions closed
16:08:44 <mphillip> Eric: no progress on 93
16:08:58 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0013.html
16:09:13 <mphillip> Proposal for action 92 linked above 
16:15:32 <mphillip> Rework Protocol-2021 http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#Protocol-2021
16:15:44 <mphillip> Eric: Suggest a single assertion "The client must create the property according to these rules"
16:17:33 <mphillip> Eric: then set out the rules "The requestURI must be derived from the supplied URI by leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the targetService and replyToName"
16:18:52 <mphillip> Eric: "The client SHOULD remove deliveryMode ...., MAY remove ..." etc 
16:19:59 <mphillip> Eric: Put the rules first then have an assertion which states that the conforming client MUST follow the rules
16:23:15 <mphillip> Mark: Will have another go at the wording based on those comments
16:23:42 <mphillip> action mark to reword the protocol-2024 proposal
16:23:42 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - mark
16:23:42 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)
16:24:06 <mphillip> action mphillip  to reword the protocol-2024 proposal
16:24:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 -  to reword the protocol-2024 proposal [on Mark Phillips - due 2009-07-28].
16:24:25 <mphillip> TOPIC: URI specification:
16:24:57 <mphillip> Eric: Have not heard from Dongbo yet
16:25:12 <mphillip> Mark: Still waiting for IBM counsel to approve
16:25:41 <mphillip> Eric: No word from Peter & Progress
16:26:00 <mphillip> Eric: Once we have approval I will start to push the RFC forward again
16:26:08 <mphillip> TOPIC: Specification changes process
16:27:22 <mphillip> Eric: Edits are clearly needed, but we need to track them very carefully and justify them, to avoid going back to working draft state
16:27:39 <mphillip> Eric: Proposed process is outlined in agenda
16:27:53 <mphillip> Eric: i.e.
16:27:57 <mphillip> Proposed process:
16:27:57 <mphillip>  * Emails submitted on mailing list - issues should be individual:
16:27:57 <mphillip>    http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/#issues
16:27:57 <mphillip>  * Each item tracked in our tracker.
16:27:57 <mphillip>  * Issues remain "open" until we have the revised text in a copy
16:27:58 <mphillip>    of the spec, and agree to it.
16:30:26 <mphillip> No objection to this process 
16:30:55 <mphillip> action Eric to Raise a tracking issue for each of the specification changes we have proposed
16:30:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Raise a tracking issue for each of the specification changes we have proposed [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-28].
16:31:40 <mphillip> TOPIC: FAQ - action item follow-up
16:31:47 <mphillip> Derek: No progress
16:31:56 <mphillip> TOPIC: FAQ - review of proposed questions
16:32:04 <eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0010.html
16:32:11 <eric> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0011.html
16:33:26 <mphillip> Eric: Proposed questions sent to list (see above )
16:33:32 <mphillip> Phil: All look like good questions
16:33:41 <mphillip> Derek: Agreed
16:33:58 <mphillip> Amy: OK too
16:34:59 <mphillip> Mark: Asks for clarification on Eric's first question
16:36:33 <mphillip> Eric: One of first statements in spec is that  interoperability between JMS providers is out of scope... will reword the question
16:37:44 <mphillip> Mark: Maybe a question about which implementations are tested
16:38:16 <mphillip> Eric: That will be included in an exit report as part of the specification process 
16:38:24 <mphillip> thanks Yves :-)
16:38:54 <mphillip> Eric: We'll use that question to point to the record of testers & conformant impls
16:39:28 <mphillip> Amy: May send further questions to list
16:39:49 <mphillip> action Amy to formulate further FAQ questions
16:39:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Amy
16:40:02 <mphillip> action alewis to formulate further FAQ questions
16:40:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Amelia Lewis - due 2009-07-28].
16:40:08 <mphillip> action Derek to formulate further FAQ questions
16:40:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-07-28].
16:40:35 <mphillip> action Phil to formulate further FAQ questions
16:40:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Phil Adams - due 2009-07-28].
16:42:02 <mphillip> action Eric to Edit the FAQ page to add a general structure to the Wiki
16:42:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Edit the FAQ page to add a general structure to the Wiki [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-28].
16:42:30 <mphillip> Eric: We can all edit the Wiki to answer the questions
16:42:51 <mphillip> Phil: Will we need any special permissions
16:43:18 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/Main_Page
16:43:21 <mphillip> Yves: May need to grant appropriate access - try it first then contact Yves if access denied
16:44:03 <mphillip> TOPIC: Implementations - any updates?
16:44:23 <mphillip> Derek: What's the timeline
16:44:57 <mphillip> Eric: As long as it takes - we don't get to Rec until we have two implementations.  IBM has one in-flight
16:45:28 <mphillip> Phil: IBM WebSphere has delivered an implementation which we believe to comply
16:45:54 <mphillip> Eric: ...and CXF are working - see mailing list for link to status page
16:46:28 <mphillip> Eric: Filed a bug against Apache Axis2 to update their SOAP/JMS implementation.  Hope to do some work on it.
16:47:08 <mphillip> Eric: TIBCO is working on an implementation - possible delivery <6 months
16:47:35 <mphillip> TOPIC: AOB?
16:48:04 <mphillip> UDDI note could be an FAQ entry 
16:48:35 <Zakim> -Phil
16:48:37 <Zakim> -mphillip
16:48:38 <Zakim> -alewis
16:48:38 <Zakim> -Yves
16:48:40 <Zakim> -Derek
16:48:40 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
16:48:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Eric, alewis, +0196270aaaa, mphillip, Yves, Phil, Derek
16:52:59 <eric> trackbot, generate minutes
16:52:59 <trackbot> Sorry, eric, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
16:53:44 <eric> zakim, generate minutes
16:53:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'generate minutes', eric
16:54:54 <eric> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:54:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-soap-jms-minutes.html eric
16:56:00 <mphillip> thanks eric, was just trying to find that in my notes!
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