IRC log of rif on 2009-07-21

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14:45:30 [csma]

zakim, this will be rif

14:45:30 [Zakim]

ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-rif-minutes.html csma

14:46:33 [csma]

Meeting: RIF telecon 21 July 2009

14:46:42 [csma]

Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie

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Scribe: Adrian Paschke

14:48:08 [csma]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jul/0025.html

14:48:40 [csma]

csma has changed the topic to: #rif Telecon 21 July 2009; agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jul/0025.html

14:50:11 [csma]

Regrets: Michael Kifer, Leora Morgenstern, Axel Polleres

14:50:21 [csma]

zakim, reset agenda

14:50:21 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'reset agenda', csma

14:50:28 [csma]

zakim, clear agenda

14:50:28 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

14:51:00 [csma]

Regrets: Michael Kifer, Leora Morgenstern, Axel Polleres, Chris Welty

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agendum admin

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agenda+ admin

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agenda+ liaisons

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agenda+ LC publicity, comments, implementations

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agenda+ FAQ

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agenda+ RIF-XML data

14:53:35 [csma]

zakim, clear agenda

14:53:35 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

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agenda+ admin

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agenda+ liaisons

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agenda+ review actions

14:54:07 [csma]

agenda+ LC publicity, comments, implementations

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agenda+ FAQ

14:54:22 [csma]

agenda+ RIF-XML data

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agenda+ test cases

14:54:40 [csma]

agenda+ AOB

14:55:22 [csma]

Hello CorentinF! Who are you?

14:55:55 [CorentinF]

hi

14:56:18 [csma]

Hi

14:56:25 [csma]

Who are you?

14:56:33 [CorentinF]

i'm a trainee at inria, i work on a rif-bld implementation

14:57:15 [csma]

Are you a member of the WG?

14:57:27 [CorentinF]

no

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14:57:42 [CorentinF]

should i leave?

14:58:25 [csma]

Well, telecons are for WG members only. But if you can tell me a little bit more about your implementation, we will have that on the record...

14:58:32 [csma]

And, then, you can leave :-)

14:58:39 [csma]

What is your time frame?

14:58:49 [csma]

For implementation, I mean

14:59:13 [Zakim]

SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started

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+??P3

14:59:58 [Zakim]

+kjetil

15:00:41 [Zakim]

-kjetil

15:00:49 [AdrianP]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:49 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P3

15:01:02 [AdrianP]

Zakim, ??P3 is me

15:01:02 [Zakim]

+AdrianP; got it

15:01:20 [Zakim]

+tobias

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15:01:54 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:54 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AdrianP, tobias

15:02:01 [csma]

zakim, I am tobias

15:02:01 [Zakim]

ok, csma, I now associate you with tobias

15:02:24 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:24 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AdrianP, tobias

15:02:38 [csma]

zakim, tobias is me

15:02:39 [Zakim]

+csma; got it

15:02:58 [csma]

Corentin, what kind of implementation are developing?

15:03:08 [csma]

Translating BLD to/from what language?

15:03:34 [csma]

What is your target date for a working prototype?

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scribenick: AdrianP

15:04:21 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

15:04:29 [CorentinF]

well for now it's a very experimental work, meant to get an interperter for presentation syntax

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+Stella_Mitchell

15:05:03 [Harold]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:05:03 [Zakim]

+Harold; got it

15:05:08 [csma]

You don't use the XML syntax?

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+ +1.503.533.aaaa

15:06:10 [AdrianP]

CorentinF you might be interested in this demo by IBM implementing RIF BLD

15:06:12 [AdrianP]

http://ruleml-challenge.cs.nccu.edu.tw/?q=node/22

15:06:19 [Gary]

zakim, aaaa is me

15:06:19 [Zakim]

+Gary; got it

15:09:03 [CorentinF]

we planned to make an xml concrete parser as well, but as it's to be integrated with a research project software, the "interchange" aspect is not really critical

15:09:57 [csma]

Great (although only the XML syntax is normative, of course)

15:10:36 [csma]

Corentin, can you sent a comment to the public comment list, so that we have your email address. And any comments you have about BLD would be great, too

15:10:46 [Harold]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/

15:11:04 [csma]

the public comment address is: public-rif-comments@w3.org

15:11:34 [CorentinF]

sure

15:11:39 [csma]

Corentin, you will have to leave, now.

15:11:47 [Harold]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-comments/

15:11:52 [csma]

We will keep in contact via the mailing list

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Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:13:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AdrianP, csma, Harold, Stella_Mitchell, Gary

15:13:48 [AdrianP]

scribenick, AdrianP

15:14:01 [csma]

next item

15:14:29 [csma]

PROPOSED: accept minutes of telecon July 7

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15:15:27 [StellaMitchell]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jul/att-0021/2009-07-07-rif-minutes.html

15:15:33 [Zakim]

+kjetil

15:16:04 [csma]

RESOLVED: accept minutes of telecon July 7

15:16:07 [AdrianP]

resolved minutes accepted

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csma: next telecon to review the comments?

15:17:53 [Gary]

I will be unable to attend on Aug 4

15:18:13 [AdrianP]

I could attend first week of August

15:19:01 [AdrianP]

Harold: Chris mentioned that we might need a reasonable number of comments

15:19:48 [AdrianP]

I will be travelling next week, but will try to call in

15:20:02 [AdrianP]

csma: next telecon 28th of July

15:20:40 [csma]

Sandro, will you join the telecon?

15:20:49 [csma]

next item

15:20:51 [sandro]

Sorry, csma, no.

15:21:02 [sandro]

(I hope you saw my e-mail about this.)

15:21:06 [AdrianP]

csma: liaisons

15:21:36 [csma]

Sandro, is there any condition re amount or quality of public comments for moving to CR?

15:22:01 [sandro]

There is no defined line. We just have to make the case that there's been wide public review.

15:23:23 [csma]

Sandro, as OWL liaison, could you push them to comment?

15:23:23 [sandro]

It MAY be enough to have gotten the word out and be ignored. It would be much better to have simple messages along the lines of "this looks okay."

15:23:45 [sandro]

action: sandro to get an OWL-WG comment on RIF

15:23:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-892 - Get an OWL-WG comment on RIF [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-28].

15:24:40 [csma]

next item

15:25:00 [AdrianP]

Adrian: W3c HCLS BIORDF will take a look for a micro array experiemts use case

15:25:34 [AdrianP]

action 889 continued

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Sorry, couldn't find user - 889

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action 885 closed

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Sorry, couldn't find user - 885

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action-885 closed

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ACTION-885 Answer FAQ 3.2-3.3 and 3.5 for RL closed

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action-884 closed

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ACTION-884 Answer FAQ 3.6 closed

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action-881 closed

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ACTION-881 Contact Aberdeen colleagues. closed

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action-876 closed

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ACTION-876 Contact Said Tabet. closed

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action-874 closed

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ACTION-874 Contact Guido Governatori. closed

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action-872 closed

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ACTION-872 Contact Igor Mozetic. closed

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action-869 closed

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ACTION-869 Contact Giorgos closed

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action-868 closed

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ACTION-868 Contact Michael Sintek closed

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action-867 closed

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ACTION-867 Contact Luis Polo. closed

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action-866 closed

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ACTION-866 Contact Markas? closed

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action-861 closed

15:28:56 [trackbot]

ACTION-861 Announce inside oracle, drules, jess closed

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action-860 closed

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ACTION-860 Announce to hp internal and jena-dev closed

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action-856 closed

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ACTION-856 Announce to RuleML, NRCC, UNB closed

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action-853 closed

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ACTION-853 Update XML syntax for Core and BLD to use xml:lang attribute for consts closed

15:30:13 [AdrianP]

action-852 closed

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ACTION-852 Review Multiple* test cases closed

15:30:30 [AdrianP]

action-852 pending review

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action-845 complete

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action-845 pending review

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action-842 closed

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ACTION-842 Provide some feedback on new safeness by tomorrow closed

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action-784 closed

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ACTION-784 Talk to Mark Proctor about RIF implementation closed

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action-782 closed

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ACTION-782 Talk to ontoprise about RIF implementation & timeframe closed

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action-780 closed

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ACTION-780 Refactor BLD schema to import Core (help from cke) closed

15:34:50 [csma]

next item

15:35:02 [Harold]

We had two comments from David Mott:

15:35:02 [Harold]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-comments/2009Jun/0000.html

15:35:02 [Harold]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-comments/2009Jun/0001.html

15:35:36 [AdrianP]

Harold: two comments by IBM

15:35:51 [AdrianP]

Harold: we should have a Wiki page where we collect all public comments

15:37:35 [Harold]

Another comment from Nick Bassiliades, Greece, is pending: he could not yet send it for list-technical reasons.

15:38:25 [AdrianP]

csma: wheneve we here about RIF implementations we should ask people to send a comment

15:38:50 [AdrianP]

csma: comment like I read the spec, is better than no comment

15:38:59 [AdrianP]

csma: encourage all contacts to send comments

15:39:28 [AdrianP]

csma: Implementations?

15:39:44 [AdrianP]

csma: should start listing implementation plans

15:40:34 [AdrianP]

Harold: Alexander Riazanov plans to implement BLD in his Vampire Theorem Proofer

15:41:16 [csma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Implementations

15:41:22 [DaveReynolds]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Implementation_plans

15:41:27 [DaveReynolds]

That one isn't empty

15:42:26 [AdrianP]

action, csma change implementation page

15:42:38 [Harold]

The current RIF Implementation plans table is outdated.

15:42:51 [AdrianP]

action: csma to change implementation page

15:42:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-893 - Change implementation page [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-07-28].

15:43:02 [Harold]

I came up with this:

15:43:05 [Harold]

Possible RIF Implementations

15:43:06 [Harold]

(probably not TextGarden from above Implementation_plans):

15:43:06 [Harold]

dlvhex: Core (see above Implementation_plans)

15:43:06 [Harold]

Flora-2: BLD (Michael Kifer et al.)

15:43:06 [Harold]

Oracle: PRD (Gary Hallmark et al.)

15:43:06 [Harold]

IBM/ILOG: PRD (CSMA et al.)

15:43:08 [Harold]

W3C: Core (translator to N3, Sandro Hawke)

15:43:10 [Harold]

RuleML Inc: BLD (translator to Sigma Kee Vampire, Alexandre Riazanov)

15:43:12 [Harold]

FU Berlin: PRD (translator to Prova / Reaction RuleML, Adrian Paschke et al.)

15:43:14 [Harold]

NRC: Core (translator to OO jDREW / Datalog RuleML, Harold Boley et al.)

15:44:54 [AdrianP]

csma: can we put it on the Wiki page

15:45:51 [AdrianP]

action: csma add possible/potential implemenations on the Wiki page (labeled as potential implementations)

15:45:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-894 - Add possible/potential implemenations on the Wiki page (labeled as potential implementations) [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-07-28].

15:46:26 [Harold]

I don't know if possible Ontoprise and Flora-2 implementations might be related.

15:46:54 [AdrianP]

csma: did not get feedback from Ontoprise yet

15:47:27 [Harold]

Mark Proctor's DROOLS work should be highly relevant for PRD.

15:47:36 [AdrianP]

Dave: Pascal and Markus are currently not able to do RIF implementations due to lack of resources

15:47:40 [csma]

CTIC interested in trying a PRD implementation for SPARQL + construct

15:47:53 [csma]

CTIC also interested in developed a RIF editor

15:49:03 [csma]

Adrian possibly developing an implementation for Tibco

15:49:12 [AdrianP]

Adrian: translation to Prova

15:49:37 [AdrianP]

Adrian: academic collaboration project with TIBCO, working on a translator

15:49:56 [AdrianP]

Gary: work on a PRD implementation

15:50:39 [AdrianP]

csma: heared that ontoprise and Vienna are working on a new dialect using FLD

15:50:56 [AdrianP]

Harold: non-monotonic dialect or just using FLD?

15:51:11 [AdrianP]

csma: a new dialect using FLD

15:51:53 [AdrianP]

csma: CoronteF at INRIA working on a BLD implementation

15:52:24 [AdrianP]

Harold: wonder if Stella uses one of the tools from Hasan or Sandro

15:52:35 [AdrianP]

Stella: yes, I use the tool from Hasan

15:52:45 [AdrianP]

Harold: can everyone download it

15:52:59 [AdrianP]

Stella: can look-up the link

15:53:29 [Harold]

Hassan could be asked if we can publicly point to his tool

15:53:35 [AdrianP]

Harold: meant that it can count a first implementation

15:53:36 [Harold]

as a first implementation.

15:54:25 [Harold]

(if only the syntax part, but it already helped Stella et. al a lot.)

15:54:41 [AdrianP]

csma: you mentioned an IBM demo

15:54:57 [AdrianP]

Adrian: yes, that was demo given last year at the Rules Challenge at RuleML-2008

15:55:10 [AdrianP]

Adrian: need to see if it can count as a BLD implementation

15:55:32 [AdrianP]

I will ask her if she will also send comments about RIF

15:56:12 [csma]

next item

15:56:34 [AdrianP]

action: AdrianP ask participants of RuleML-2008 which did RIF demos to send comments

15:56:34 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - AdrianP

15:56:48 [AdrianP]

action: Adrian ask participants of RuleML-2008 which did RIF demos to send comments

15:56:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-895 - Ask participants of RuleML-2008 which did RIF demos to send comments [on Adrian Paschke - due 2009-07-28].

15:56:57 [csma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_FAQ#How_do_I_serialize_RIF_rules_in_RDF.3F

15:57:31 [AdrianP]

csma: how do we proceed for FAQ; just approve them?

15:58:35 [AdrianP]

Harold: it is an inoffical page

15:58:44 [AdrianP]

Harold: so enough to just approve them

16:04:29 [AdrianP]

Harold: under 3.5. linked "defines" is hard to spot, should be made more explicit

16:04:54 [AdrianP]

csma: there is a commercial implementation by Ontoprise

16:05:27 [AdrianP]

csma: Ontobroker supports RIF

16:06:25 [AdrianP]

csma: should publish FAQ as early as possible

16:06:55 [AdrianP]

csma: maybe should take it as is and publish even without all quesions answered

16:07:09 [AdrianP]

Harold: could everyone complete the FAQ questions

16:07:25 [AdrianP]

Stella: 4.4 wasn't sure about it

16:07:51 [AdrianP]

csma: Dave suggestion to review it later is good

16:08:08 [AdrianP]

csma: 4.4. could be "not yet"

16:08:20 [DaveReynolds]

I've made the link to SWC more explicit in FAQ 3.5

16:08:27 [csma]

next item

16:08:31 [sandro]

the FAQ is already published.

16:08:57 [csma]

Sandro, it is not referenced from the WG front page

16:09:02 [sandro]

yes it is.

16:09:10 [Zakim]

+Sandro

16:09:16 [DaveReynolds]

Yes it is right at the top

16:10:11 [Harold]

FAQ is published but it says: "This is an unofficial draft FAQ"

16:10:16 [AdrianP]

csma: shall we ask someone from the working group to review it

16:10:23 [AdrianP]

Sandro: sounds good

16:11:41 [AdrianP]

csma: added editors notes

16:13:18 [AdrianP]

csma: looked at Xpath 2.0 - reworked document relates to more general elements in the XML stack

16:15:04 [AdrianP]

Sandro: we have DTB built-ins, we could have standard built-ins for XML, i.e. Xpath built-ins

16:16:31 [AdrianP]

csma: should be based on the XML data model

16:17:10 [csma]

next item

16:18:02 [sandro]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/MalformedLists

16:18:17 [AdrianP]

Sandro: maformedLists

16:19:04 [AdrianP]

Stella: could nothing to be concluded from the test cases?

16:20:13 [AdrianP]

Stella: conclusion could be similar to ArbitraryEntailment

16:20:30 [AdrianP]

Stella: ArbitraryEntailment test case

16:20:58 [AdrianP]

Sandro: malformed lists are structures too

16:21:00 [sandro]

"Malformed lists are structures, too. There's nothing illogical about them."

16:21:00 [StellaMitchell]

s/conclusion could/csma is saying wording is similar to/

16:21:01 [Harold]

A few months ago, "malformed lists" were renamed into "general open lists".

16:21:38 [AdrianP]

Sandro: is a list with a tail which is not a list

16:21:44 [Harold]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Terms

16:21:55 [AdrianP]

Harold: part 4

16:21:56 [Harold]

List terms.

16:21:57 [StellaMitchell]

s/could nothing be conclused from the test cases/is there anything that is entailed by the premise in this test case/

16:22:39 [Harold]

Such general open lists correspond to Lisp's dotted lists [Steele90].

16:22:54 [StellaMitchell]

s/could nothing be concluded from the test cases/is there anything that is entailed by the premise in this test case/

16:23:46 [AdrianP]

Stella: maybe a longer description helps to make it more clear

16:24:04 [AdrianP]

csma: if there is not a positive entailment it means there is a contradiction

16:24:17 [AdrianP]

csma: should at least entail the premise

16:24:28 [sandro]

description: "The tail of a list in BLD doesn't have to be a list. It can be like a LISP dotted pair; it's just another kind of structure."

16:24:48 [AdrianP]

Gary: think the premise is entailed

16:26:23 [sandro]

if List ( ?x | ?y ) and is-string(?y) then is-funky-structure(?x)

16:26:34 [AdrianP]

Harold: problem is when there is a variable we cannot control if it is bound to a list or another term

16:27:30 [sandro]

csma: if List ( ?x | ?y ) and is-list ?y then is-list List( ?x | ?y )

16:27:48 [AdrianP]

csma: shall we change description of test case?

16:28:23 [AdrianP]

csma: test says it is not a syntax error if the tail is not a lists

16:29:27 [AdrianP]

Sandro: premise is in fact a list, according to the definition of BLD

16:29:53 [sandro]

although as I recall from LISP it's called a "dotted pair".

16:30:38 [Harold]

Lisp terminology: dotted pair: (a . b) -- dotted list: (a b c . d)

16:31:45 [Harold]

However, (a b c . d) is just 'presentation syntax' for nested dotted pairs (a . (b . (c . d)))

16:32:06 [csma]

PROPOSED: extend 10 mn to conclude on MalformedLists

16:32:17 [DaveReynolds]

Ok to extend

16:32:19 [AdrianP]

+1

16:32:37 [csma]

RESOLVED: extend 10 mn to conclude on MalformedLists

16:35:28 [Harold]

"Note that the last condition above restricts Itail only when its last argument is in Dlist. If the last argument of Itail is not in Dlist, then the list is a general open one and there are no restrictions on the value of Itail except that it must be in Dind. "

16:35:47 [Harold]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Semantic_Structures

16:36:30 [Harold]

5. Ilist and Itail are used to interpret lists

16:38:33 [AdrianP]

Sandro: premise does not entail itself

16:39:34 [AdrianP]

Sandro: need to ask Jos

16:39:53 [sandro]

action: sandro to ask Jos about http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/MalformedLists

16:39:53 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-896 - Ask Jos about http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/MalformedLists [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-07-28].

16:42:04 [AdrianP]

Adrian: plan to have a W3C RIF workshop at RuleML-2009

16:42:05 [Zakim]

-StellaMitchell

16:42:07 [Zakim]

-Gary

16:42:10 [Zakim]

-Harold

16:42:11 [Zakim]

-DaveReynolds

16:42:28 [csma]

rrsagent, make minutes

16:42:28 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-rif-minutes.html csma

16:42:28 [sandro]

RRSAgent, list attendees

16:42:28 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:42:54 [csma]

rrsagent, list attendees

16:42:54 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', csma. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:43:05 [sandro]

RRSAgent, show attendees

16:43:05 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'show attendees', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:43:14 [sandro]

RRSAgent, who is here?

16:43:14 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'

16:43:22 [sandro]

RRSAgent, list present

16:43:22 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'list present', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:43:27 [sandro]

RRSAgent, who is here?

16:43:27 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'

16:43:37 [csma]

rrsagent, list attendance

16:43:37 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendance', csma. Try /msg RRSAgent help

16:43:51 [AdrianP]

ScribeNick, Adrian

16:44:01 [AdrianP]

ScribeNick: Adrian

16:44:30 [Zakim]

-Sandro

16:45:27 [Zakim]

-csma

16:52:04 [Zakim]

-AdrianP

16:52:06 [Zakim]

SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended

16:52:07 [Zakim]

Attendees were AdrianP, csma, Harold, +1.503.533.aaaa, Gary, StellaMitchell, DaveReynolds, Sandro

17:17:15 [csma]

csma has left #rif