IRC log of au on 2009-07-20

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19:49:15 [Jan]
Zakim, this will be AUWG
19:49:15 [Zakim]
ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 49 minutes ago
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Meeting: WAI AU
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0010.html
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Regrets: Ann M.
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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+Jeanne
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+??P1
20:02:07 [Jan]
zakim, ??P1 is really Jan
20:02:07 [Zakim]
+Jan; got it
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+Tim_Boland
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+[IPcaller]
20:04:10 [Jan]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta
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+Jutta; got it
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+Greg_Pisocky
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CHair: Jutta Treviranus
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Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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+Joshue
20:07:15 [Greg]
Greg can scribe
20:07:42 [Jan]
zakim, Joshue is really ARonksley
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+ARonksley; got it
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Scribe: Greg
20:08:17 [Jan]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0010.html
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Topic: Real-time publishing Note
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New editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090717/
20:09:37 [Greg]
First item on agenda, take a look at Real Time publishing Note on the new editors draft
20:09:37 [Jan]
Real-time publishing: ATAG 2.0 applies to authoring tools with workflows that involve real-time publishing of web content (e.g., some collaborative tools). For these authoring tools, conformance to Part B of ATAG 2.0 may involve some combination of real-time accessibility supports and additional accessibility supports available after the real-time authoring session (e.g., the ability to add...
20:09:39 [Jan]
...captions for audio that was initially published in real-time). For more information, see the Techniques - Appendix E: Real-time content production.
20:10:48 [Greg]
JR: Used to say real time authoring tools did not have to look at B, just A. This was considered a loophole, so here is the reworked content.
20:14:09 [Zakim]
-Jutta
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+??P5
20:15:00 [Jan]
zakim, ??P5 is really Jutta
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+Jutta; got it
20:16:22 [Greg]
JS: Any problem addressing real time issues in Part A?
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JR: Then agreed, the issue is Part B
20:17:31 [Greg]
JS above should be JR
20:18:58 [Jan]
Resolution: To use wording: Real-time publishing: ATAG 2.0 applies to authoring tools with workflows that involve real-time publishing of web content (e.g., some collaborative tools). For these authoring tools, conformance to Part B of ATAG 2.0 may involve some combination of real-time accessibility supports and additional accessibility supports available after the real-time authoring...
20:19:00 [Jan]
...session (e.g., the ability to add captions for audio that was initially published in real-time). For more information, see the Techniques - Appendix E: Real-time content production.
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Topic: Conformance Claim section
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JR: Required Components of an ATAG 2.0 Conformance Claim...
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All: Claimant name and affiliation.: No objections.
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All: Conformance level satisfied.: No objections.
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All: Authoring tool information:: No objections.
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All: Included Technologies: No objections.
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All: Excluded Technologies: No objections.
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All: Declarations: No objections.
20:27:13 [Greg]
That completes the conformance section
20:27:29 [Jan]
Topic: B.2.1.X proposal
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-ARonksley
20:27:37 [Greg]
Proposal on Decision Support by JT
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-Tim_Boland
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+ARonksley
20:30:21 [Greg]
Add another success criteria to B.2.1.x
20:31:19 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090717/#principle-support-author
20:31:45 [Greg]
JT: Any objections to adding as a success criteria?
20:31:57 [Jan]
Techs: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-TECHS-20090717/#principle-support-author
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-Jutta
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+??P3
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GP: How to determine what is the most accessible way
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JT: Doesn't need to be "most accessible way"..just accessible vs not accessible
20:34:07 [Jan]
GP: OK as long as techniques are not ranked over each other
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JT: Guidance can take various forms but its about ensuring authors can make informed choices
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JR: Objectins?
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Resolution: Add in new success criteria B.2.1.X Decision Support.
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GP: Back on previous question...
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GP: Would it be sufficient to have a mode where an author could turn off "onerous"
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JR: Doesn't need to be oneours...not a requirement to force author behaviour
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GP: But user might not want prompts etc
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JT: Right it might just be extra text
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GP: User jusdt wants to drop in images...because know where they go....
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GP: I see prompt...dialog...etc. in the examples in the techniques
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JT: OK we need to modify that text to include less obtrusive choices]
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-ARonksley
20:40:39 [Jan]
JR: Could we just keep it yellow until we get the tech examples woked out?>
20:40:43 [Jan]
GP: OK
20:40:58 [Jan]
JT: Example from iPhone dev kit....
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JR: Can you send a screenshot?
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JT: Yes
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Action JT: Screenshot of iphone dev enviro showing inobtrusive info
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Created ACTION-174 - Screenshot of iphone dev enviro showing inobtrusive info [on Jutta Treviranus - due 2009-07-27].
20:41:59 [Jan]
GP: I like the idea...but don't want to require authors to use it at a partilar time in every case
20:42:03 [Jan]
JT: Of course not
20:42:44 [Zakim]
+ +200000aaaa
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-Greg_Pisocky
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-??P3
20:44:37 [Jan]
JR: Please look at new approach in the techniques document
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- +200000aaaa
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-Jan
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-Jeanne
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Tim_Boland, Jutta, Greg_Pisocky, ARonksley, +200000aaaa
20:47:03 [Jan]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/20-au-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/20-au-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JT to Screenshot of iphone dev enviro showing inobtrusive info [1]
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