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19:44:31 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN 
19:44:31 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
19:44:52 <Holger> Meeting: SSN XG 15-July-2009
19:45:03 <Holger> Chair: Holger
19:45:20 <Holger> agenda+ Roll call
19:45:33 <Holger> agenda+ Actions from last meeting
19:46:05 <Holger> agenda+ Semantic Markup
19:47:16 <Holger> agenda+ SSN Ontology: missing classes
19:47:48 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
19:48:03 <Holger> ScribeNick: Holger
19:48:14 <Holger> Topic: Apologies
19:48:44 <Holger> John, Oscar, Kevin
19:52:24 <Zakim> INC_SSN()4:00PM has now started
19:52:31 <Zakim> + +036232aaaa
19:52:47 <Holger> zakim, +036232aaaa is me
19:52:47 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
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19:54:55 <Holger> agenda?
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19:59:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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19:59:36 <Zakim> +??P1
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19:59:49 <michael> zakim, ??P1 is me
19:59:49 <Zakim> +michael; got it
20:00:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
20:00:16 <Zakim> + +1.206.662.aabb
20:00:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
20:00:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
20:00:57 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
20:00:58 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:00:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, michael, +1.206.662.aabb, [IPcaller.aa]
20:01:02 <Zakim> + +1.410.872.aacc
20:01:15 <kgann> I'm on the phone now.
20:01:29 <Zakim> +??P0
20:01:31 <Zakim> +??P3
20:01:33 <Zakim> +??P6
20:01:47 <krzysztof_j> hi
20:01:54 <Holger> hello
20:01:59 <kgann> Hello
20:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aadd
20:02:10 <krzysztof_j> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
20:02:10 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
20:02:18 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, michael, +1.206.662.aabb, krzysztof_j, +1.410.872.aacc, ??P0, ??P3, ??P6, +1.202.408.aadd
20:02:21 <krzysztof_j> zakim, mute me
20:02:21 <Zakim> krzysztof_j should now be muted
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20:03:34 <Zakim> -krzysztof_j
20:04:01 <Zakim> -michael
20:04:05 <Zakim> +??P4
20:04:21 <Zakim> +??P1
20:04:43 <michael> member:zakim, ??P1 is me
20:04:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:05:00 <michael> zakim, ??P1 is me
20:05:00 <Zakim> +michael; got it
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20:05:41 <kerry> zakim, ??P4 is me
20:05:41 <Zakim> +kerry; got it
20:05:42 <Holger> agenda?
20:06:30 <cory> cory has joined #ssn
20:07:15 <Zakim> +Prateek
20:07:38 <krzysztof_j> zakim, unmute me
20:07:38 <Zakim> sorry, krzysztof_j, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
20:07:46 <krzysztof_j> zakim, unmute me
20:07:46 <Zakim> sorry, krzysztof_j, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
20:09:26 <Holger> Topic: Actions from last Meeting
20:10:28 <Holger> Luis: room is reserved
20:10:47 <michael> ...new member to introduce himself further?
20:11:31 <kgann> where is the f2f meeting being held -- at ISWC-2009?
20:11:47 <Holger> f2f to be full day
20:12:39 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:12:54 <Holger> SWING presentation next week
20:13:25 <Holger> Luis: OGC presentation is on the wiki
20:14:27 <Holger> Payam: SENSEI project...
20:14:57 <Holger> ...ontology on OGC observation data
20:15:36 <Holger> Topic: Semantic Markup
20:16:20 <Holger> Cory: three tasks...
20:16:30 <Holger> ...Define mapping of concepts in SWE to concepts in SSN-XG Ontology 
20:16:38 <Holger> ...Define syntax/structure of semantic annotations in SWE 
20:16:52 <Holger> ...Define translation algorithms to convert annotated-SWE to RDF
20:17:08 <Holger> Cory: is this a good scope?
20:19:25 <Holger> Cory: algorithm is about transforming O&M to RDF triple...
20:21:54 <Holger> Luis: more than semantic markup...
20:22:28 <Holger> ...more harmonisation of OGC and semantics
20:22:46 <Holger> Kerry: fine with semantic markup...
20:23:09 <Holger> Luis: TML not necessary
20:23:39 <Holger> Cory: TML will be incorporated in next SML version
20:24:31 <kerry> +q
20:25:05 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:25:12 <Holger> ack kerry
20:26:36 <Holger> Kerry: RDF triples instances of ontology?
20:26:56 <Holger> ...that's then a requirement for ontology
20:26:56 <kerry> -kerry
20:27:03 <kerry> -q
20:27:27 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:27:28 <kerry> agree with luis: getcapabilities had stuff that is needed 
20:28:01 <Holger> Luis: Do we want to annotate service?
20:28:33 <Holger> Krzysztof: get capability to be generated from ontology
20:29:35 <kerry> agree with krzysztof: enable generation of  getcapabilities doc from the ontology
20:29:40 <Holger> Luis: ontology needs to capture observation offerings
20:30:26 <Holger> Krzysztof: include observation/stimuli
20:31:45 <Holger> ...align output of sensor to observed entity
20:31:53 <krzysztof_j> yes!
20:32:28 <kerry> +1
20:35:05 <Holger> Topic: Missing bits in SSN Ontolgy
20:36:00 <Holger> Holger: read John's email
20:36:43 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:36:59 <Holger> Holger: which parts of O&M in ontology?
20:37:27 <Holger> Krzysztof: propose to analyse exising O&M ontologies
20:37:41 <bermudez> +1
20:37:41 <Holger> ...to align Sensors to observations
20:38:00 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:38:28 <michael> +q
20:38:30 <Holger> Holger: other missing things?
20:39:09 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:39:18 <Holger> Michael: how to do the O*M ont review
20:39:27 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:39:37 <Holger> ack michael
20:39:49 <cory> +q
20:40:38 <krzysztof_j> lets do it the same way as for the sensor meeting
20:41:10 <bermudez> +q
20:41:16 <Holger> Holger: O&M review meeting?
20:41:30 <Holger> +1
20:41:30 <krzysztof_j> ack
20:41:41 <kgann> yes - it's a good idea
20:42:19 <cory> ack
20:42:28 <michael> +1
20:42:35 <cory> +1
20:42:36 <Holger> Holger: will have O&M review meeting
20:42:46 <krzysztof_j> can do this
20:43:01 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:44:45 <rgarcia> +q
20:45:27 <krzysztof_j> +1
20:45:34 <michael> +q
20:45:59 <Holger> action: all discuss the versioning etc. of the ontology
20:46:24 <rgarcia> -q
20:46:34 <cory> +ack
20:46:48 <cory> ack
20:46:52 <Holger> action: Krzysztof to organise O&M ontology meeting
20:47:18 <Holger> ack cory
20:47:39 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:47:50 <Holger> ack bermudez
20:48:03 <Holger> ack michael
20:48:50 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:49:02 <Holger> Michael: summary of ontology dev wiki page re: versioning
20:49:20 <Zakim> -??P3
20:50:22 <Zakim> +??P3
20:50:24 <Holger> Kerry: Jean to be invited for meeting in two weeks
20:50:38 <krzysztof_j> zakim,+??P3 is me
20:50:38 <Zakim> sorry, krzysztof_j, I do not recognize a party named '+??P3'
20:50:45 <bermudez> +q
20:50:46 <michael> +q
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20:50:56 <Holger> ack bermudez
20:51:36 <kerry> +q
20:51:48 <Holger> action: Cory to put up logistics page for f2f
20:52:51 <Holger> Michael: will we develop an O&M ontology?
20:53:09 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:53:20 <Holger> ...or align to existing ontology
20:53:27 <krzysztof_j> ack
20:53:58 <Holger> ack michael
20:54:02 <Holger> ack krzysztof_j
20:54:48 <Holger> Krzysztof: SOS doesn't talk about real world - semantic gaps...
20:55:07 <Holger> ack kerry
20:55:19 <Holger> Topic: f2f
20:55:36 <Holger> Kerry: draft agenda would be useful
20:56:33 <kerry> -q
20:56:35 <Holger> Cory: can put the outline, members of group to fill in
20:57:35 <cory> bye
20:57:36 <Zakim> - +1.410.872.aacc
20:57:38 <Zakim> -??P6
20:57:38 <krzysztof_j> bye
20:57:39 <Zakim> -??P0
20:57:39 <Zakim> - +1.206.662.aabb
20:57:40 <kerry> bye
20:57:40 <Zakim> -michael
20:57:42 <Zakim> -Prateek
20:57:45 <Zakim> -kerry
20:57:47 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aadd
20:57:48 <Zakim> -Holger
20:57:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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20:58:00 <Holger> zakim, bye 
20:58:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Holger, [IPcaller], michael, +1.206.662.aabb, +1.410.872.aacc, +1.202.408.aadd, krzysztof_j, kerry, Prateek
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20:58:07 <Holger> rrsagent, make log public 
20:58:19 <bermudez> bye
20:58:21 <Holger> rrsagent, draft minutes 
20:58:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-ssn-minutes.html Holger
20:59:01 <Holger> rrsagent, bye 
20:59:01 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-ssn-actions.rdf :
20:59:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all discuss the versioning etc. of the ontology [1]
20:59:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-ssn-irc#T20-45-59
20:59:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Krzysztof to organise O&M ontology meeting [2]
20:59:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-ssn-irc#T20-46-52
20:59:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cory to put up logistics page for f2f [3]
20:59:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-ssn-irc#T20-51-48