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15:58:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
15:58:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:58:18 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:58:18 <trackbot> Date: 14 July 2009
15:58:27 <mphillip> trackbot, start telcon
15:58:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:58:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SJMS
15:58:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:58:32 <trackbot> Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
15:58:32 <trackbot> Date: 14 July 2009
15:58:54 <mphillip> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:59:33 <mphillip> chair: Eric
15:59:41 <Phil> Phil has joined #soap-jms
15:59:45 <alewis> we have a problem.
15:59:53 <alewis> zakim doesn't have us scheduled on the bridge.
16:00:14 <mphillip> does that mean we won't get access ?
16:00:17 <alewis> zakim, what conferences?
16:00:17 <Zakim> I see XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, Styl_XSLWG(F2F)4:00AM active
16:00:18 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is SW_RIF()11:00AM
16:00:21 <eric> eric has joined #soap-jms
16:00:31 <alewis> it means we can't dial in.
16:00:44 <Phil> right...  it doesn't recognize the usual passcode
16:01:12 <alewis> i'm trying to find out if there's a way to schedule on the fly.
16:01:20 <alewis> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
16:01:31 <mphillip> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0003.html
16:01:57 <Derek> Derek has joined #soap-jms
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16:02:22 <alewis> unfortunately, yves is on holiday, so he prolly can't help us.
16:02:55 <mphillip> http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/TeleconferenceHowTo.htm
16:03:17 <mphillip> looks like a manual process
16:03:33 <eric> That also indicates two days notice.
16:03:40 <mphillip> yes :-(
16:03:44 <alewis> umm.  eric, do you have a teleconference number that we could resort to?
16:03:54 <Zakim> ok, Yves; conference Team_(soap-jms)16:03Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1703Z
16:03:55 <alewis> or ... anyone else have a bridge?
16:04:09 <alewis> ah, yves!
16:04:13 <alewis> happy bastille day!
16:04:19 <Yves> thanks ;)
16:04:20 <Phil> I have a call-in # that we could use if we need to
16:04:33 <Yves> I'll check what happenned tomorrow wrt phone number
16:04:37 <Yves> well conf code
16:05:11 <Zakim> Team_(soap-jms)16:03Z has now started
16:05:18 <Zakim> + +1.650.846.aaaa
16:05:20 <eric> That number worked for me.
16:05:30 <Zakim> + +1.708.246.aabb
16:05:34 <Zakim> + +1.919.663.aacc
16:05:35 <eric> Zakim, aaaa is eric.
16:05:36 <Zakim> + +0196287aadd
16:05:36 <Zakim> +eric; got it
16:05:49 <mphillip> Zakim, aadd is mark
16:05:49 <Zakim> +mark; got it
16:06:19 <eric> zakim, aabb is Derek
16:06:19 <Zakim> +Derek; got it
16:06:22 <mphillip> thanks Yves!
16:06:29 <eric> Indeed!
16:06:38 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaee
16:06:44 <alewis> viva la revolution!
16:06:49 <Phil> Zakim, aaee is Phil
16:06:49 <Zakim> +Phil; got it
16:07:15 <mphillip> TOPIC: 1) Appointment of the scribe
16:07:19 <mphillip> scribe: mark
16:07:40 <Zakim> +Peter_Easton
16:07:52 <mphillip> TOPIC: 2) Minutes
16:07:58 <eric> zakim, Peter_Easton is peaston
16:07:58 <Zakim> +peaston; got it
16:08:07 <mphillip> all: No problems 
16:08:18 <mphillip> TOPIC: 3) Review the agenda
16:08:38 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0003.html
16:09:10 <mphillip> TOPIC: 4) Review action items
16:09:17 <mphillip> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
16:09:32 <mphillip> Eric: No progress on 32
16:09:46 <mphillip> Derek: No progress on 68 
16:10:50 <mphillip> Eric: Action 89 is done 
16:10:56 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jun/0013.html
16:11:11 <mphillip> email to be discussed in agenda item  6
16:11:55 <mphillip> Peter: Made contact with CXF team re: action 90
16:12:17 <peaston> http://wiki.apache.org/general/soapjms4cxf
16:12:21 <mphillip> Peter: Some SOAP/JMS changes checked into CXF - no work done on WSDL 
16:12:45 <mphillip> Peter: Will add details into email
16:13:06 <mphillip> close action-89
16:13:06 <trackbot> ACTION-89 Review the test assertion IDs to see which ones we _really_ need to test closed
16:13:13 <mphillip> close action-90
16:13:13 <trackbot> ACTION-90 Follow up contacts with CXF to find out timeframes etc. closed
16:13:42 <mphillip> TOPIC: 5) URI specification - updated submission:
16:14:06 <mphillip> Eric: No feedback / objections to updated submission 
16:14:12 <mphillip> https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-merrick-jms-uri/
16:14:28 <mphillip> Eric: Need to assess what we need to do to get this to RFC
16:15:58 <mphillip> Eric: Have contacted all contributors to check contact details and get signoff for 200902trust IP Language - waiting for IBM, Progress, and Oracle
16:16:20 <mphillip> TOPIC: 6) Specification items:
16:16:39 <mphillip> a) Updates to the FAQ...
16:16:53 <mphillip> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2008-09_FAQ
16:17:43 <mphillip> Eric: Seems like we should address some additional questions
16:18:30 <mphillip> Eric: e.g. How does this compare with SOAP/HPP
16:18:43 <mphillip> s/HPP/HTTP/
16:19:20 <mphillip> Eric: Could do with links to definitions
16:19:40 <mphillip> Mark: Maybe something about reliable messaging
16:20:49 <mphillip> Eric: Should be reserve some time next call to brainstorm questions
16:20:56 <mphillip> s/be/we/
16:21:19 <mphillip> b) Specification inconsistency:
16:21:44 <mphillip> Eric: Bug in spec identified:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0001.html
16:23:51 <mphillip> ACTION: Eric to propose a change to Spec. wording to remedy inconsistency in MIME example vs. Protocol-2029 assertion
16:23:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Propose a change to Spec. wording to remedy inconsistency in MIME example vs. Protocol-2029 assertion [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-21].
16:24:05 <mphillip> c) Unnecessary normative statements:
16:24:21 <mphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jun/0013.html
16:24:38 <mphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#binding-examples
16:26:19 <mphillip> Eric Proposal to merge Protocol-2012 and 2013
16:26:35 <mphillip> Mark: Makes sense
16:28:19 <mphillip> Eric: Similarly propose to drop Protocol-2020 and include fault subcode in Protocol-2019 
16:30:29 <mphillip> Eric: and collapse Protocol-2023 and 2024 into a single assertion 
16:30:56 <mphillip> s/2024/2022/
16:32:43 <mphillip> Eric: Propose reworking the table for 2024  http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#Protocol-2024
16:34:55 <mphillip> Eric: Have the table specifiy the behaviour without assertions, and the repeat the assertions about which properties must be included "As-is", "SHOULD exclude", and "MUST exclude" in three bullets following the table
16:35:25 <mphillip> Eric: Each bullet would describe a set of properties with common behaviour, and would be a separate normative statement
16:37:00 <mphillip> Mark: Agree, it would be easier to test with 3 separate assertions
16:38:02 <mphillip> ACTION: Mark to propose the wording for the change to split 2024 into three testable assertions 
16:38:02 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mark
16:38:02 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)
16:38:19 <mphillip> ACTION: mphillip to propose the wording for the change to split 2024 into three testable assertions 
16:38:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Propose the wording for the change to split 2024 into three testable assertions  [on Mark Phillips - due 2009-07-21].
16:39:41 <mphillip> Eric: Protocol-2035 is redundant - all assertions in the table are made elsewhere
16:39:51 <mphillip> Phil: Agreed - we can remove this
16:46:04 <mphillip> Eric: Propose removing Protocol-2039 - must normative statements are covered elsewhere  apart from the statement on the request URI.  
16:49:06 <mphillip> Mark: We had early use cases which were based on the request_URI being used for routing.  Having this value in the reply would help correlate requests and replies but I don't have a strong opinion that ths should be kept in
16:50:04 <mphillip> Eric: When removing Protocol-2035, we should also remove the requirement to copy the SOAPJMS_requestURI from the request
16:50:34 <mphillip> Eric: i.e. remove the requestURI line from the table
16:52:23 <mphillip> ACTION Eric to propose the revised table to the list
16:52:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Propose the revised table to the list [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-21].
16:53:35 <mphillip> Eric Protocol-2041 is also a collection of redundant assertions.  Could change the table title to 'Examples of values set by Conforming Client'
16:53:46 <mphillip> Phil: Would be sufficient to just remove the assertion
16:54:20 <mphillip> TOPIC: 7. Testing
16:54:23 <mphillip> No progress
16:54:27 <mphillip> TOPIC: 8) Implementations
16:55:28 <mphillip> Eric: Some progress on CXF, we know IBM has an implementation in WAS, so we are working towards the two implementations we need
16:55:57 <mphillip> Eric: Next question is what is the timeline for having these implementations done?
16:56:16 <mphillip> Derek: Still working with product management
16:57:26 <mphillip> Phil: May be possible for IBM and CXF to collaborate on test cases
16:57:31 <mphillip> Pete: Will check into that
16:57:35 <mphillip> TOPIC: 9) AOB
16:58:09 <mphillip> None
16:58:11 <Zakim> -Phil
16:58:12 <Zakim> -eric
16:58:12 <Zakim> -Derek
16:58:13 <Zakim> -mark
16:58:22 <Zakim> -peaston
16:58:28 <mphillip> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:58:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/14-soap-jms-minutes.html mphillip
16:58:33 <Zakim> -alewis
16:58:34 <Zakim> Team_(soap-jms)16:03Z has ended
16:58:35 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.846.aaaa, +1.708.246.aabb, +1.919.663.aacc, +0196287aadd, eric, mark, alewis, Derek, +1.512.286.aaee, Phil, peaston
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