IRC log of html-wg on 2009-07-09

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trackbot, start meeting
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Zakim, this will be HTML
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 09 July 2009
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16:02:06 [Lachy]
Zakim, passcode?
16:02:12 [Zakim]
sorry, Lachy, I don't know what conference this is
16:02:16 [DanC]
Zakim, this will be HTML
16:02:18 [Zakim]
ok, DanC, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:02:20 [Lachy]
Zakim, passcode?
16:02:24 [Zakim]
the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
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16:02:40 [masinter]
zakim, who's on the phone
16:02:47 [DanC]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
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I don't understand 'who's on the phone', masinter
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+ +49.251.280.aaaa
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On the phone I see Sam, ??P5, Matt_May, Masinter, Murray_Maloney, DanC, +49.251.280.aaaa
16:03:13 [Lachy]
Zakim, I am 49.251.280.aaaa
16:03:16 [Julian]
Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
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16:03:28 [Zakim]
sorry, Lachy, I do not see a party named '49.251.280.aaaa'
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+Julian; got it
16:03:37 [DanC]
Zakim, aaaa is Lachy
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+ +1.218.340.aabb
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sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:03:48 [johndrinkwater]
I guess I might be ??P5- no mic though..
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Topic: Convene, take roll, review agenda
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Topic: ISSUE-32 (table-summary)
16:04:21 [Lachy]
Zakim, I am ??P30
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+Lachy; got it
16:04:29 [masinter]
i suggest calling this a "straw poll" rather than a "vote"?
16:04:29 [DanC]
regrets+ Joshue
16:05:08 [DanC]
LMM: i suggest calling this a "straw poll" rather than a "vote"
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16:05:47 [DanC]
DanC: that would make it non-binding
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LMM: yes, but it would predict the results of a binding vote pretty well
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zakim,??P30 is Stevef
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I already had ??P30 as Lachy, Stevef
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zakim, ??P36 is Stevef
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+Stevef; got it
16:06:48 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:06:50 [Laura]
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16:06:55 [DanC]
DanC: there's a possibility that a vote will be avoided consensus?
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LMM: but a straw poll would help in any case; it eliminates possibilities that noone supports
16:07:31 [Lachy]
I would prefer a straw poll
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MM: I have my doubts [about a straw poll]
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Laura: we could do a straw poll and then a vote
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wouldn't need to review "good standing" of wg members who haven't been active
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DanC: I think a straw poll is a good idea
16:09:31 [MikeSmith]
action-59 due 2009-07-03
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ACTION-59 Track progress on edits related to issue-38 style-attr-syntax in section html5/#style0 due date now 2009-07-03
16:09:32 [DanC]
MM: on research... I'm in contact with Jutta Trev. [sp?] at [u. toronto?]; perhaps next week I can give more info on usability studies
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ISSUE-59 -- Should the HTML WG produce a separate document that is a normative language reference and if so what are the requirements -- OPEN
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Title: ISSUE-59 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
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Topic: ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference)
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ACTION-109 -- Michael(tm) Smith to hand out work to reviewers of H:TML -- due 2009-06-25 -- OPEN
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Title: ACTION-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
16:10:33 [MikeSmith]
action-109 due 2009-07-23
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ACTION-109 hand out work to reviewers of H:TML due date now 2009-07-23
16:10:44 [masinter]
question about whether document compliance ("authoring requirements") might be better handled here
16:10:48 [MikeSmith]
action-110 due 2009-07-23
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ACTION-110 Add note to H:TML draft about what's currently missing and planned to be added due date now 2009-07-23
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16:11:31 [DanC]
LMM: there was a bugzilla bug and such about authoring requirements...
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16:12:32 [DanC]
... whether they belong in the same spec with how-to-build-a-browser...
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... so that's something to consider
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Mike: not much news on my action; moved them back a couple weeks.
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Topic: ISSUE-60 (html5-xhtml-namespace)
16:13:27 [rubys1]
zakim, who is making noise?
16:13:33 [DanC]
Sam: I suggest that the recent announcement about the XHTML 2 WG addresses my action
16:13:38 [Zakim]
rubys1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (19%), Murray_Maloney (19%)
16:13:50 [DanC]
close ACTION-105
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ACTION-105 Should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. closed
16:14:03 [Lachy]
yes, close this issue
16:14:34 [DanC]
LMM: there may be some follow-up
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XHTML 2.0 will end life as a WG NOTE
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MM: does this announcement mean XHTLM 2.0 won't be produced?
16:15:09 [DanC]
Sam: I expect it'll become a Note
16:15:46 [Julian]
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ack Julian
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ack Julian
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Julian: if XHTML 2 is published as a Note, which namespace woudl it use?
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Lachy: It won't matter, as a Note isn't something people are likely to deploy/implement
16:17:54 [DanC]
MM: I'm a little confused... HTML 5 uses which namespace?
16:19:03 [DanC]
MM: does W3C have namespace policies?
16:19:07 [Lachy]
I suppose someone could take an ISSUE to contact the XHTML-WG and ask that their work be published as a NOTE using the previously used 2002/02/xhtml2 (I think) namespace from older working drafts
16:19:08 [DanC]
DanC: yes
16:19:20 [Lachy]
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MM: is there a missing policy?
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DanC: I don't think so; I think what we need re this issue is done; there were 2 WGs specifying the /1999/xhtml namespace and now there's one
16:21:22 [masinter]
Murray is still concerned about the continuity of the xhtml namespace
16:21:42 [masinter]
I will take an action item in 2 weeks to insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on this
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16:22:09 [DanC]
ACTION: Larry insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace
16:22:09 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-129 - insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace [on Larry Masinter - due 2009-07-16].
16:22:19 [DanC]
action-129 due 23 July
16:22:19 [trackbot]
ACTION-129 insure that the versioning discussion at least touches on XHTML 2 interactions with the /1999/xhtml namespace due date now 23 July
16:22:20 [masinter]
i think there needs to be another action to review any "Note" that comes out about XHTML2 to make sure that it doesn't contain text redefining 1999/xhtml incompatibily
16:23:01 [Lachy]
Murray, XHTML5 retains compatibility with existing XHTML 1.0 namespaced documents.
16:23:02 [masinter]
this 'issue' was an administrative one, there's likely a technical one too
16:23:36 [DanC]
MM: I'm concerned that if HTML 5 use the /1999/xhtml namespace it'll upset compatibility expectations
16:24:14 [DanC]
Sam: if HTML 5 used a different namespace it would break existing content on the web
16:24:41 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)
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ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-07-08 -- OPEN
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Title: ACTION-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
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Topic: ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)
16:25:38 [DanC]
LMM: the TAG discussed this in a recent ftf... [see www-tag for minutes]... I expect the document discussed will be revised w.r.t. that discussion...
16:26:23 [DanC]
... my hope was to relate some well-understood principles to the doctype/versioning issue... I'm optimistic
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ACTION-108 due 23 July
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ACTION-108 Report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML due date now 23 July
16:27:35 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-35 (aria-processing)
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Cynthia: we put out a WD 8 Jun
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16:28:10 [DanC]
... things are on track...
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... I have a TF participant from Opera; still hoping for particpation from Apple
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acton-114 due 1 Aug
16:29:03 [DanC]
Cynthia: the draft is "aria implementation guide"
16:29:54 [masinter]
(re versioning, TAG discussed it at its F2F meeting,, based on document ). Minutes forthcoming, but update to document based on discussion should be out in 2 weeks
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Title: About (at
16:30:13 [DanC]
DanC: does the draft have examples, sorta seeds of test cases?
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Cynthia: perhaps... it does have some examples
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ack danc
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Topic: TPAC 2009 admin
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Mike: I did it... interested to know if the chairs are OK with it
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Sam: OK by me; go ahead
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ACTION-115 -- Michael(tm) Smith to set up WBS for HTML WG participants to attend HTML WG f2f during TPAC 2009 -- due 2009-05-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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Title: ACTION-115 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
16:32:18 [MikeSmith]
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ACTION-115 -- Michael(tm) Smith to set up WBS for HTML WG participants to attend HTML WG f2f during TPAC 2009 -- due 2009-05-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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16:32:34 [DanC]
draft seems to be
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16:32:58 [MikeSmith]
DanC, yep
16:33:22 [DanC]
action-123 due 23 July
16:33:23 [trackbot]
ACTION-123 Discuss choice of embedding vcard microdata instead of referencing IETF spec and defining conformance reqs for HTML5 due date now 23 July
16:34:11 [DanC]
Topic: URI/URL issue @@
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ACTION-125 -- Julian Reschke to coordinate with LMM and DanC to get an Internet Draft that addresses some HTML 5 href issues -- due 2009-07-02 -- OPEN
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Title: ACTION-125 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
16:34:44 [DanC]
Julian: we're organizing a BOF at the next IETF, and Larry is working on updating the IRI spec
16:35:40 [DanC]
Larry: I started from the IRI spec, thinking this is a new protocol element, separate from IRIs and and LEIRIs, but I think this [?] is a change to the mapping from IRI to URI...
16:36:09 [DanC]
... but I think the mapping needs another parameter, i.e. the encoding of the document character set, which defaults to utf-8...
16:36:30 [DanC]
... also, space handling should be tweaked...
16:36:55 [Julian]
16:37:28 [Julian]
16:37:39 [DanC]
(yup, sounds right to me)
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16:38:09 [DanC]
Larry: that's the design I have in mind ... I haven't gotten around to soliciting review by email
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16:39:33 [DanC]
Julian: hmm... that's not the case in Atom documents... have to be careful about that default
16:39:38 [DanC]
Larry: ah; right... yes.
16:40:08 [Julian]
(need to be careful about to which document formats the new encoding consderations apply - HTML5 would, Atom not (?))
16:40:20 [DanC]
ACTION-125 due 1 Aug
16:40:20 [trackbot]
ACTION-125 Coordinate with LMM and DanC to get an Internet Draft that addresses some HTML 5 href issues due date now 1 Aug
16:41:12 [DanC]
Topic: Overdue actions
16:41:25 [DanC]
ACTION-38 due 30 July
16:41:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-38 Chairs to review need for amending charter with Director due date now 30 July
16:41:32 [DanC]
Sam that was pending on the XHTML 2 stuff.
16:42:31 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-7 video-codecs
16:44:04 [masinter]
DanC: two minds, like image -- don't need to spec it, other hand, might be important
16:44:17 [masinter]
16:45:21 [DanC]
LMM: I think the factors affecting the choice of codec are largely outside the control of this WG: perceptions about licensing, quality, etc. ...
16:45:45 [DanC]
... I'm more concerned with the perception that some decision got made when it didn't
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... my suggestion is: the issue is still open...
16:47:53 [DanC]
LMM: one idea is a note on the small number of choices and why we haven't chosen
16:48:40 [Zakim]
16:49:16 [DanC]
LMM: is it possible to move the <video> tag to a separate document, with its own schedule?
16:49:43 [DanC]
Sam: I'm interested in volunteers
16:50:17 [DanC]
DanC: video is feature #1 in community discussion of HTML 5; separating its schedule would be a challenge
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Sam: I'm calling for volunteers to take an active position on this issue; Ian has stated his.
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Sam: I note Rob Sayer's start
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ACTION: Sam review status of video codec positions
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Created ACTION-130 - Review status of video codec positions [on Sam Ruby - due 2009-07-16].
16:51:46 [DanC]
action-130 due 30 July
16:51:46 [trackbot]
ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions due date now 30 July
16:51:59 [Julian]
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16:52:04 [DanC]
Cynthia: a deadline helps some people
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ack next
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Julian: the diff between April and the current draft is that he took out the "it would be nice..." [requirements] text. The actual text to remove the Theora codec was a year ago or so.
16:53:12 [Stevef]
16:54:08 [rubys1]
zakim, who is making noise?
16:54:13 [DanC]
Julian: I'm not sure why the statement of desired codec was removed
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the text that was removed recently is:
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Title: HTML 5 (at
16:54:19 [Zakim]
rubys1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Masinter (41%), +1.218.340.aabb (5%)
16:54:22 [shepazu]
Zakim, who's noisy?
16:54:27 [Julian]
Zakim, who's making noise
16:54:27 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who's making noise', Julian
16:54:29 [DanC]
Zakim, mute aabb
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+1.218.340.aabb should now be muted
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shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (15%), Cynthia_Shelly (25%), Masinter (9%), Julian (14%), Stevef (52%)
16:54:39 [DanC]
Zakim, unmute aabb
16:54:39 [Zakim]
+1.218.340.aabb should no longer be muted
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16:56:28 [Julian]
Rob's mail:
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Title: proposed audio/video codec text from Rob Sayre on 2009-07-07 ( from July 2009) (at
16:56:41 [DanC]
Doug: didn't Rob S. already take a position?
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16:56:53 [DanC]
Sam: I read it as a "what if...?" sort of thing but I'll check
16:56:57 [DanC]
Zakim, who's noisy?
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ack next
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DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sam (6%), Cynthia_Shelly (23%), Stevef (66%)
16:57:58 [DanC]
SteveF: I'd like canvas accessibility to be a tracker action
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(er... issue)
16:58:14 [Laura]
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Title: HTML/AddedElementCanvas - ESW Wiki (at
16:58:26 [DanC]
issue: canvas accessibility
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Created ISSUE-74 - Canvas accessibility ; please complete additional details at .
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issue-74: see also
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ISSUE-74 Canvas accessibility notes added
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Title: HTML/AddedElementCanvas - ESW Wiki (at
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ACTION: Stevef report on canvas accessibility
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Sorry, couldn't find user - Stevef
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ack stevef
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ack next
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ack next
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planet: Which browser has the best support for HTML 5 currently? <11>
17:00:12 [DanC]
Topic: ISSUE-31 (missing-alt)
17:00:24 [DanC]
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ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
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Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
17:00:32 [DanC]
Cynthia: what happened to the change request?
17:00:39 [DanC]
[anybody got a pointer to the change request?]
17:01:33 [Zakim]
17:01:52 [Laura]
WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5
17:01:59 [Laura]
17:02:00 [pimpbot]
Title: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 (at
17:02:35 [Lachy]
Is this the WAI CG mail being discussed?
17:02:37 [pimpbot]
Title: WAI-CG Consensus Recommendations on Alternative Text in HTML 5 from Janina Sajka on 2009-06-11 ( from June 2009) (at
17:02:48 [DanC]
Cynthia: what's the process for getting traction on this?
17:02:51 [Lachy]
17:02:52 [pimpbot]
Title: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 (at
17:03:05 [DanC]
Sam: I'll try to clarify by email...
17:04:19 [DanC]
... I'm working with people getting CVS access, helping them produce documents...
17:04:42 [Lachy]
It appears that that WAI CG text alternatives document was never sent to the HTML WG, only to www-archive and wai-xtech
17:04:43 [DanC]
Cynthia: the document WAI produced is more of a requirements list
17:04:56 [DanC]
SteveF: I'm interested to write the design part
17:05:01 [Lachy]
... so I'm not surprised the HTMLWG haven't done anything with it
17:05:12 [DanC]
good point, Lachy
17:05:38 [DanC]
action: steve draft ALT spec
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Created ACTION-131 - Draft ALT spec [on Steve Faulkner - due 2009-07-16].
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action-131 due 7 Sep
17:06:04 [trackbot]
ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec due date now 7 Sep
17:06:07 [Laura]
I'll help with it Steve.
17:06:35 [Zakim]
17:06:37 [DanC]
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17:06:50 [DanC]
ACTION: Stevef report on canvas accessibility
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Sorry, couldn't find user - Stevef
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ACTION: Steve report on canvas accessibility
17:06:54 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-132 - Report on canvas accessibility [on Steve Faulkner - due 2009-07-16].
17:06:55 [Zakim]
17:06:55 [Stevef]
lachy: it was forwarded to the html wg list by shelley powers (i think)
17:06:57 [Zakim]
17:07:03 [DanC]
action-132 due 23 July
17:07:04 [trackbot]
ACTION-132 Report on canvas accessibility due date now 23 July
17:07:41 [Laura]
Zakim, aabb is Laura
17:07:41 [Zakim]
+Laura; got it
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17:08:03 [Zakim]
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17:08:17 [Lachy]
Stevef, ok. I must have missed it. But for future reference, please make sure the WAI CG actually sends feedback to public-html if they intend us to do something abou tit
17:09:01 [Stevef]
forwarded 11th june
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Title: forwarding: WAI CG Consensus Resolutions on Text alternatives in HTML 5 from Shelley Powers on 2009-06-11 ( from June 2009) (at
17:09:57 [Stevef]
lachy: janina missed putting the html wg on the list, i am sure she meant to as it was directed to the HTML WG
17:10:45 [Zakim]
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HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Sam, Matt_May, Masinter, DanC, Murray_Maloney, Julian, +1.218.340.aabb, Lachy, Stevef, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Shepazu, Laura
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17:13:30 [DanC]
sam, I wonder if your summary actions should be closed; they seem a little misleading
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC
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RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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chair: Sam
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action-114 due 1 Aug
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ACTION-114 Report progress on ARIA TF due date now 1 Aug
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planet: What's the proper way to add Facebook Connect and their xmlns to (X)HTML5? <11>
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planet: HTML 5 - Early Adoption Where Possible - Good or Bad? <11>
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hsivonen: you there?
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC
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Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 09 Jul 2009 (at
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RRSAgent, start
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chair: Sam
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RRSAgent, stop