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13:40:57 Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
13:40:57 ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:40:58 Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:40:58 Date: 08 July 2009
13:41:08 Regrets: Alessio
13:41:17 Zakim, code?
13:41:17 the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Tina
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13:46:13 zakim, dial steven-617
13:46:13 ok, Steven_; the call is being made
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13:46:56 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007
13:47:06 Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jul/0007
13:47:42 zakim, who is here?
13:47:42 On the phone I see no one
13:47:44 On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot
13:48:47 Present: Steven, Tina, Markus, Shane
13:49:28 Scribe: Steven
13:51:36 Topic: Holidays
13:52:03 Steven: I'm here next week, then gone for 3 weeks
13:52:14 Tina: gone 15-22 Aug
13:52:27 Markus: Similar to yours Steven
13:52:36 Shane: We don't do holidays
13:53:28 Shane: If Alessio and Gregory are around then we might meet
13:54:39 Markus: What about MoZ?
13:54:42 Steven: Don't know
13:55:05 Markus: It would be good to know if we can count on him for the PERs
13:56:47 Steven: I'll ping him
13:56:59 Topic: The FAQ
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14:18:35 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtml12
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14:20:01 hi
14:20:07 hi, who are you?
14:20:55 I'm an Italian webmaster. Is this channel about using xhtml for webpages?
14:21:01 no
14:21:09 it is about designing markup languages
14:21:45 Simosito: you might want irc.freenode.net and the #web channel.
14:21:51 Shane: We have to produce notes of everything on our drafts page
14:21:57 ... that includes XHTML 1.2
14:22:03 ... so I'll turn that into a note
14:22:15 Thank you Tina, but I can't use freenode. Sorry for disturbing you.
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14:22:29 ... that will give people using WAI ARIA something to validate against
14:22:47 Markus: I would love to see RelaxNG versions as well
14:23:06 ... can we do informative versions?
14:23:15 Shane: Sure, as a note
14:23:27 ... in fact, I may already have done it
14:24:18 Steven: looking at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml12-20081223/doctype.html#s_doctype
14:24:23 ACTION: Shane to produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa
14:24:23 Created ACTION-90 - Produce RelaxNG implementations for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML + RDFa [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].
14:24:43 Steven: It links to WAI ARIA, but the reference is missing
14:25:13 ... role and access references are missing too
14:25:30 ACTION: Shane to update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date.
14:25:30 Created ACTION-91 - Update the XHTML 1.2 draft to correct the references and ensure the schema implementations are up to date. [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].
14:26:03 ACTION: Shane convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31
14:26:03 Created ACTION-92 - Convert ALL rec-track drafts to notes by 2009-12-31 [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-15].
14:27:09 Shame: I'm disappointed about XHTML 1.0
14:27:20 ... appendix C is wildly out of date
14:27:31 ... and really needs to be updated
14:27:40 s/Shame/Shane/
14:27:56 ... is there anything we can do about that?
14:28:01 Steven: I don't think so
14:28:42 Shane: There are still some updates to make to that note, comments from the public, typo's etc
14:29:27 Steven: At least notes are lower hurdle to produce
14:30:03 Topic: Issues
14:30:47 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html
14:31:25 Zakim, mute me
14:31:25 sorry, Tina, I don't know what conference this is
14:31:30 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE14
14:31:44 zakim, this is XHTML
14:31:44 ok, ShaneM; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM
14:31:53 zakim, mute tina
14:31:53 sorry, ShaneM, I do not know which phone connection belongs to tina
14:33:24 zakim, who is here?
14:33:25 On the phone I see ??P31, +04670602aaaa, McCarron
14:33:25 On IRC I see mgylling, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Tina, Steven_, trackbot
14:35:22 zakim, mccarron is ShaneM
14:35:22 +ShaneM; got it
14:35:30 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-06-24#__40_lang
14:36:19 Subtopic: @lang (again)
14:36:58 Shane: Is he asking for anything here? Do we need to say anything?
14:37:35 ... our rrationale is perfectly good
14:37:38 s/rr/r/
14:38:20 ... if he's claiming that we want to reintroduce it to support text/html then that is not the case
14:38:37 Steven: You're right, we were asked to do this, we agree
14:39:09 Shane: We say helps assistive technologies; how is that wrong???
14:39:19 ... so we don't need to change anything
14:39:26 Subtopic: @usemap
14:39:37 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE15
14:40:44 Steven: The trouble is, this is against a different spec, right?
14:41:14 ... Masayasu tested this against browsers long ago
14:41:31 ... we ssaid we would support what that revealed
14:41:41 s/ss/
14:41:56 ... but the change has to be made in M12N, not 1.1
14:44:03 Shane: We made a conscious decision at sometime to leave this as is
14:45:30 http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues
14:45:57 http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/Modularization-abstractions?id=9641;user=guest;selectid=9641;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
14:46:43 http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/imagemap/results
14:47:55 Shane: It is a bug that it includes a #, but it is one that needs to be fixed
14:48:27 Steven: then we have to fix M12N
14:49:15 ... M12N 1.1 needs fixing
14:49:23 ... and the FAQ doesn't mention that
14:49:41 ... unless that's what they mean by M12N 1.0 2e
14:49:53 Shane: We would break M12N rules to change the datatype
14:50:15 Steven: We have to leave this as is, and explain why
14:50:33 ... this is a bug against M12N, not XHTML 1.1
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14:54:42 rrsagent, make minutes
14:54:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-xhtml-minutes.html Steven_
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