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15:00:21 <TomB> it is not accepting 79394#
15:02:09 <Ralph> will be fixed momentarily ...
15:02:16 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:02:24 <Ralph> Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
15:03:03 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0002.html
15:03:44 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swd
15:03:45 <Zakim> ok, Ralph, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
15:03:48 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
15:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
15:03:57 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:04:00 <Ralph> zakim, ??p0 is TomB
15:04:07 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
15:05:46 <Ralph> regrets: Sean, Antoine, Diego
15:06:54 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-06-02
15:07:20 <Zakim> + +1.607.785.aaaa
15:07:40 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Jon
15:07:40 <Zakim> +Jon; got it
15:08:24 <GuusS> i will be late, in telecon now with W4D people
15:11:41 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:12:11 <Ralph> zakim, lc is Ed
15:12:11 <Zakim> +Ed; got it
15:14:10 <ed> ed has joined #swd
15:18:59 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS collaterals
15:19:27 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:20:20 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/23-swd-irc previous 2009-06-23
15:21:26 <Ralph> -- SKOS community after after SWD
15:21:48 <Ralph> Ralph: Ivan has submitted a proposal for support of community fora for SKOS and RDFa
15:22:17 <Ralph> ... may know general feeling on that proposal by next telecon (2 weeks)
15:22:24 <Ralph> Topic: RDFa
15:22:41 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
15:22:51 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to raise issue-214 with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:23:09 <Ralph> Ralph: not sure about discussion of issue 214
15:23:42 <Ralph> Ed: what will be the impact of the announcement of XHTML2 WG charter non-renewal past December?
15:25:13 <Zakim> +Guus
15:28:52 <GuusS> zakim, who is here?
15:28:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Ralph, Jon, Ed, Guus
15:28:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ralph, TomB, GuusS
15:29:26 <edsu> Ralph: in the near time, nothing substantive needs to change, other than the taskforce won't have a charter past september, the rdfa tf has achieved its mission. they clearly need a different charter past the end of september. it's part of a proposal that ivan submitted yesterday to provide wiki/mailing lists for this kind of work. the message from tim is pretty clear that we're going to invest more resources in the html5 wg, we've committed in the faq to having the di
15:29:39 <edsu> s/time/term/
15:30:21 <edsu> Ralph: to having the discussion about a distributed extension mechanism at the technical plenary.
15:30:42 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/xhtml-faq Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about the future of XHTML
15:30:50 <Ralph> (see the bits about RDFa in particular)
15:31:04 <Ralph> Topic: Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies
15:31:30 <Ralph> PROPOSED to publish update of Recipes WG Note:
15:31:30 <Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0017.html
15:31:30 <Ralph> -- Editor's Draft 7 April 2009 http://berrueta.net/recipes-20090407/ moved into W3C space?
15:31:38 <Ralph> Ralph: I believe we had already resolved that and I have an action
15:31:52 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to publish http://berrueta.net/recipes-20090407/ as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:32:05 <Ralph> [DONE] CTION: Ralph to move current ED of the RDFa metadata note from wiki to WG space [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html#action10]
15:32:16 <Ralph> s/CTION:/ACTION:
15:32:43 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jun/0026.html RDFa Metadata editor's draft copied out of wiki
15:33:00 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/tr-metadata/ Adding Metadata to W3C Technical Reports Editor's Draft
15:33:17 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS
15:34:36 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/224 ISSUE-224
15:34:48 <Ralph> Guus: problem that this comment came during Proposed Rec review
15:35:10 <Ralph> ... if we have some local patches, what are the implication?
15:35:46 <Ralph> Ralph: we can make editorial changes to examples
15:39:37 <Ralph> Guus: looking at 6.5.4 ... it's the use of chemical symbol notation
15:40:05 <Ralph> ... I see the syntactic problem with the long language tag
15:40:11 <Zakim> -Guus
15:40:21 <Ralph> ... I don't see the problem with chemical symbol notation
15:40:25 <Ralph> ... that's just a datatype
15:40:54 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/#L2655 6.5.4. Notations and Preferred Labels
15:41:14 <Zakim> +Guus
15:44:17 <Ralph> Ralph: use of chemical symbols as "language" may simply be a difference of opinion on principle
15:44:59 <Ralph> Tom: I like the suggestion to resolve by adding a disclaimer pointing people to BCP 47 and saying this is an area where best practice might be evolving
15:45:26 <Ralph> Guus: and people might want to consult this space before deciding on a solution
15:46:03 <Ralph> ... Alistair is more familiar with language issues than either Sean or I; he may know what to say
15:46:47 <Ralph> Ralph: is Alistair reachable again?
15:46:48 <Ralph> Tom: yes
15:47:13 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0009.html [SKOS] Re: ISSUE-224 [Ralph]
15:47:30 <Ralph> [[
15:47:31 <Ralph> I would recommend instead that we offer to (a) modify the
15:47:31 <Ralph> example(s) to be syntactically conformant and (b) offer to add
15:47:31 <Ralph> a phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to
15:47:31 <Ralph> transmit data unrelated to language or language choice may
15:47:31 <Ralph> violate BCP 47".
15:47:33 <Ralph> ]]
15:53:29 <Ralph> Guus: let's ask Alistair and Sean for their agreement to this
15:54:05 <Ralph> ... we can resolve here that we find Ralph's proposal acceptable contingent upon Sean and Alistair's agreement
15:55:05 <Ralph> PROPOSE:  We (a) modify the example(s) in 6.5.4 to be syntactically conformant to BCP 47 and (b) offer to add a phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to transmit data unrelated to language or language choice may violate BCP 47" contingent on Alistair and Sean's agreeing
15:55:56 <Ralph> Tom: ok
15:55:59 <edsu> +1
15:56:06 <Ralph> Jon: ok
15:56:11 <Zakim> -Guus
15:56:24 <Ralph> Guus: ok
15:56:47 <Zakim> +Guus
15:57:04 <Ralph> RESOLVED:  We (a) modify the example(s) in 6.5.4 to be syntactically conformant to BCP 47 and (b) offer to add a phrase such as "note that such use of private subtags to transmit data unrelated to language or language choice may violate BCP 47" contingent on Alistair and Sean's agreeing
15:57:39 <Ralph> Tom: so editors would write a phrase and offer it to I18N Core?
15:57:41 <Ralph> Ralph: yes
15:57:51 <Ralph> Guus: timing might be tricky
15:57:59 <Ralph> ... I'll be away a lot after next week
15:59:33 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0004.html Antoine's offer
16:00:50 <Ralph> Guus: let's resolve to fix the editorial change in ISSUE-225
16:01:13 <Ralph> Tom: Sean and I discussed this and I think the singular form is correct
16:01:19 <Ralph> Guus: but we need to respond to the comment
16:02:10 <Ralph> Tom: Sean and I were in agreement that the singular "note" is correct, but I prefer to leave it to him to reply to the comment
16:02:51 <Ralph> PROPOSE: Sean to decide on issue-225
16:03:08 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Sean to decide on issue-225
16:04:09 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS Testimonials
16:04:20 <Ralph> Guus: I have a number of actions on testimonials
16:04:21 <Zakim> -Ed
16:04:29 <Ralph> ... I've asked Antoine to help and he's already done some work
16:05:09 <Ralph> Topic: next meeting
16:05:14 <Ralph> Tom: I'm unavailable in 2 weeks
16:05:18 <Ralph> ... propose 4 August
16:05:42 <Ralph> Guus: I'm out 4 August but available on 11 August
16:05:52 <Ralph> Tom: let's work on a press release before you leave
16:05:57 <Ralph> ... before 18 July
16:08:00 <Ralph> Tom: let's try 3-way mail with Ivan in the next 10 days
16:11:25 <GuusS> as an aside: minutes of "publishing vocabs" meeting during Dagstuhl workshop:
16:11:27 <GuusS> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-swdag2009-minutes.html
16:11:57 <GuusS> proposal is to publish a white paper, to be edited in ESW wiki
16:12:11 <Zakim> -Guus
16:12:45 <GuusS> I have the action to see whether this group, in particular TOM, wants to contribute
16:13:06 <GuusS> i cannot join anymore :-(
16:13:31 <GuusS> "the conference is restricted at this time"
16:14:07 <Ralph> yep, we're over time
16:15:36 <GuusS> i have to leave anyway, I hope we covered all
16:15:59 <Ralph> think so, I'm proposing that you, Tom, Ivan coordinate via email
16:16:13 <GuusS> ok
16:16:54 <GuusS> have a good holiday (I hope you will get some)
16:17:16 <TomB> Guusl, next call on 11 Aug?
16:17:34 <Ralph> next meeting: 11 August, Guus to chair
16:17:58 <GuusS> ok
16:18:07 <Ralph> [adjourned]
16:18:21 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:18:23 <Zakim> -TomB
16:18:24 <Zakim> -Jon
16:18:24 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:18:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, TomB, +1.607.785.aaaa, Jon, Ed, Guus
16:18:30 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:18:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:19:36 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:19:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items