IRC log of sparql on 2009-06-30

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/30-sparql-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 77277

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ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

13:55:45 [trackbot]

Date: 30 June 2009

13:55:49 [LeeF]

Zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:55:49 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

13:55:58 [LeeF]

Chair: LeeF

13:56:03 [LeeF]

Scribenick: KjetilK

13:56:12 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-06-30

13:57:45 [iv_an_ru]

Orri got problem with his connection so he is missing today.

13:57:47 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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+LeeF

13:58:19 [AndyS]

Request for agenda addition: under "update" to discuss whether to start with the submission as the strawman for the update language. Are there alternatives to consider? (After strawman -- start throwing rocks at it to test it out)

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13:58:35 [LeeF]

AndyS, ack

13:58:51 [kasei]

zakim just hung up on me :(

13:59:01 [LeeF]

zakim, don't hang up on greg

13:59:01 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'don't hang up on greg', LeeF

13:59:08 [Zakim]

+??P16

13:59:12 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P16 is me

13:59:12 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

13:59:28 [Zakim]

+kasei

13:59:30 [kasei]

Zakim, mute me

13:59:30 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

13:59:44 [Zakim]

+??P18

13:59:45 [AlexPassant]

Zakim, ??P18 is me

13:59:45 [Zakim]

+AlexPassant; got it

14:00:02 [Zakim]

+bglimm

14:00:10 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

14:00:10 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

14:00:21 [LeeF]

Regrets: Chimezie, SimonKJ, Bijan

14:00:57 [AndyS]

bglimm, if there is an example, I'd appreciate seeing it to be informed about the issues but theer is no time-critical issue here for me.

14:01:22 [bglimm]

I can check the OWL tests for one, but I haven't done that yet

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14:01:51 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:01:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, kasei (muted), AlexPassant, bglimm (muted)

14:02:26 [Zakim]

+pgearon

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+cory

14:03:32 [Zakim]

+??P24

14:03:37 [LeeF]

zakim, cory is temporarily Prateek

14:03:37 [Zakim]

+Prateek; got it

14:03:49 [LeeF]

zakim, PP24 is Orri

14:03:49 [Zakim]

sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'PP24'

14:03:53 [LeeF]

zakim, P24 is Orri

14:03:53 [Zakim]

sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'

14:03:57 [LeeF]

zakim, ??P24 is Orri

14:03:57 [Zakim]

+Orri; got it

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-Orri

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14:05:28 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, kasei (muted), AlexPassant, bglimm (muted), pgearon, Prateek

14:06:29 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:06:29 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:06:30 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:06:34 [AndyS]

Scribenick: AndyS

14:06:53 [AndyS]

Scribe: AndyS

14:06:56 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-23

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14:07:19 [bglimm]

+1

14:07:28 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:07:43 [Zakim]

+AxelPolleres

14:07:47 [LeeF]

zakim, IPCaller is Orri

14:07:47 [Zakim]

+Orri; got it

14:07:54 [AndyS]

RESOLVED Accepted the minutes of the meeting of 2009-06-23

14:08:35 [AxelPolleres]

regrets for next week

14:08:49 [AndyS]

Next meeting: July 7

14:10:05 [LeeF]

Please let me know if you'll be on holiday anytime over the rest of the summer

14:10:16 [AndyS]

RDB2RDB WG: Now has 2 co-chairs.

14:10:33 [AndyS]

... and will start soon.

14:11:07 [AndyS]

Nothing else from liaisons

14:11:22 [AndyS]

Topic: Open Actions

14:11:35 [AndyS]

LeeF: Please close your open actions.

14:11:45 [AndyS]

Topic: FPWD of F&R

14:11:47 [Zakim]

+??P29

14:12:01 [swh]

Zakim, ??P29 is [Garlik]

14:12:01 [Zakim]

+[Garlik]; got it

14:12:09 [AndyS]

Input for charter for phase II of SPARQL WG

14:12:32 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/ version 1.114 as First Public Working Draft

14:12:35 [AlexPassant]

wrt open actions, can LeeF or AxelPolleres close http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/43 ? (already discussed previously)

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14:13:22 [AndyS]

incorporates chnages from last week: text for time permitting features, language fixes, OWL Direct semantics included

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14:13:50 [AxelPolleres]

alex, done

14:13:51 [AndyS]

Any reservations?

14:14:00 [swh]

Zakim, [Garlik] has swh and LukeWM

14:14:00 [Zakim]

+swh, LukeWM; got it

14:14:03 [AndyS]

(none)

14:14:15 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/ version 1.114 as First Public Working Draft

14:14:29 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/ version 1.114 as First Public Working Draft

14:15:01 [AndyS]

No objections or abstentions

14:15:08 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:15:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, kasei (muted), AlexPassant, bglimm (muted), pgearon, Prateek, EricP, Orri, AxelPolleres, [Garlik]

14:15:10 [Zakim]

[Garlik] has swh, LukeWM

14:15:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: Eric to work with Lee to publish FPWD of features & rationales

14:15:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-50 - Work with Lee to publish FPWD of features & rationales [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2009-07-07].

14:15:44 [AndyS]

LeeF: Editors will continue to work on it.

14:15:50 [ericP]

F&R is valid HTML according to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/

14:16:32 [AndyS]

AndyS: Comments will arrive now.

14:16:40 [AxelPolleres]

q+

14:16:44 [Zakim]

+ +0479864aaaa

14:16:53 [KjetilK]

Zakim, aaaa is me

14:16:53 [Zakim]

+KjetilK; got it

14:16:55 [AndyS]

LeeF: We do not need to formally track at the level of CR etc.

14:16:57 [LeeF]

ack AxelPolleres

14:17:15 [Zakim]

+ +049261287aabb

14:17:24 [SimonS]

Zakim, aabb is me

14:17:24 [Zakim]

+SimonS; got it

14:18:27 [AndyS]

Axel: Comments timeframe?

14:18:29 [AndyS]

q+

14:18:45 [kasei]

the F&R TOC has a 5.5, but it doesn't actually exist (?)

14:18:56 [LeeF]

invisible ink?

14:18:59 [AndyS]

ack me

14:19:18 [AndyS]

EricP: ... a deadline to hint at timeliness

14:19:19 [kasei]

5.3 and 5.4 in invisible ink, certainly, but 5.5 shows up in the TOC :)

14:20:08 [Zakim]

-LeeF

14:20:13 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:20:39 [ericP]

http://validator.w3.org/checklink?url=http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#results1 found a broken link to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/owl.css and three broken fragments: Entailment_status, Subqueries_issues, Basic_federated_querys_status

14:21:00 [AndyS]

LeeF: end August? LC is autumn.

14:21:03 [AlexPassant]

kasei: remove it from the TOC, is there a way to change the publishing action from 1.114 to 1.115 ?

14:21:31 [AxelPolleres]

q+ to say why 31 august fine with me.

14:21:40 [ericP]

KjetilK, AlexPassant, do you know where i should find owl.css?

14:21:57 [AlexPassant]

ericP: I removed that link - was useless (comes from the OWL template we re-used)

14:22:05 [AndyS]

Scribe: Scribe notes the resolution has the wrong version now.

14:23:00 [AndyS]

LeeF: Can publish before comment period because it's a WD.

14:23:05 [Zakim]

-KjetilK

14:23:23 [AndyS]

EricP: Just need to note that comments may be relative to first version.

14:23:26 [LeeF]

ack AxelPolleres

14:23:26 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres, you wanted to say why 31 august fine with me.

14:23:49 [Zakim]

+KjetilK

14:23:52 [AndyS]

Axel: Vaction season is fast approaching

14:24:06 [AndyS]

q+

14:24:10 [kasei]

AlexPassant: 2.8.5 needs to be dropped, too, I think.

14:24:38 [AndyS]

ack me

14:25:00 [KjetilK]

+1 to that

14:25:14 [AndyS]

LeeF: Suggest saying comments to mailing list, no date.

14:25:18 [ericP]

AlexPassant, KjetilK, where should #Subqueries_issues point?

14:25:43 [AndyS]

... new resolution ...

14:25:56 [kasei]

yes

14:26:08 [kasei]

(what ericP said)

14:26:34 [AndyS]

(formatting/editorial discussion)

14:27:00 [KjetilK]

ericP, #Subqueries_discussion probably

14:27:56 [AlexPassant]

q+ to ask about last fix

14:29:46 [AndyS]

EricP edits by remote control.

14:30:14 [AndyS]

New voice activated intelligent agent deployed.

14:31:06 [kasei]

sure, but i have nothing to say new from two weeks ago.

14:31:08 [AxelPolleres]

q?

14:31:21 [AlexPassant]

done fro mmy side as well

14:31:33 [AlexPassant]

1.118

14:31:46 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/ version 1.118 as FPWD, with comments to be solicited indefinitely to public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org

14:31:52 [ericP]

second

14:32:00 [AxelPolleres]

+1

14:32:11 [bglimm]

+1

14:32:14 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/ version 1.118 as FPWD, with comments to be solicited indefinitely to public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org

14:32:31 [kasei]

Zakim, unmute me

14:32:31 [Zakim]

kasei should no longer be muted

14:32:43 [AndyS]

Topic: Service descriptions

14:33:10 [AndyS]

No disucssion of HTTP OPTIONs last discussion. Kasei presented his ideas.

14:33:22 [AndyS]

LeeF: Short summary?

14:33:26 [KjetilK]

Zakim, mute me

14:33:26 [Zakim]

KjetilK should now be muted

14:33:49 [AndyS]

Kasei: coin URIs. One RDFS class for endpoints. Properties for endpoint to details.

14:33:51 [AxelPolleres]

(no objections or abstentions on the proposal to publish ... just for the records)

14:33:58 [AndyS]

.. inc dataset description.

14:34:14 [AndyS]

... work with active void2 developement

14:34:23 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ServiceDescriptions#Strawman_Proposal_for_Service_Description_Vocabulary_and_URIs

14:34:47 [AndyS]

LeeF: Who is responsible for HTTP OPTIONS proposal?

14:35:32 [AndyS]

.. Jacek?

14:35:36 [swh]

yes

14:35:42 [AxelPolleres]

that was jacek, but he told me he is only attending occasionally.

14:35:49 [AndyS]

... feedback?

14:36:05 [swh]

+1 to not over specifying

14:36:28 [AndyS]

AndyS: Looks like a good start.

14:36:46 [SimonS]

+1 Looks like the sweet spots have been hit.

14:36:48 [LeeF]

zakim, who's here?

14:36:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, AlexPassant, bglimm (muted), pgearon, Prateek, EricP, Orri, AxelPolleres, [Garlik], SimonS, LeeF, KjetilK (muted)

14:36:50 [Zakim]

[Garlik] has swh, LukeWM

14:36:50 [AndyS]

Steve: Going beyond is getting out of WG scope; less is not useful.

14:36:51 [Zakim]

On IRC I see SimonS, LukeWM, AxelPolleres, Prateek, AndyS_, pgearon, bglimm, Zakim, RRSAgent, LeeF, kasei, AlexPassant, AndyS, swh, karl, john-l, iv_an_ru, KjetilK, trackbot, ericP

14:37:59 [bglimm]

no string feelings

14:37:59 [AndyS]

AndyS: Would likwe to proced with this.

14:38:11 [bglimm]

s/string/strong/

14:38:13 [AndyS]

s/string/strong/

14:38:23 [AndyS]

q+ to ask about finding descriptions

14:38:24 [AxelPolleres]

q+ to ask about liaison with "void"

14:38:31 [AlexPassant]

q-

14:39:00 [Zakim]

-LeeF

14:39:08 [KjetilK]

ack AndyS

14:39:08 [Zakim]

AndyS, you wanted to ask about finding descriptions

14:39:17 [Zakim]

+LeeF

14:40:03 [kasei]

agree with AndyS

14:41:04 [AxelPolleres]

2 big blocks: (i) service descriptions (what?) (ii) how to find/serve them (how?)

14:41:19 [kasei]

Zakim, mute me

14:41:19 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

14:41:24 [AndyS]

AndyS: thoughts on how to find descriptions. 3rd party matters a lot but what about services publishing info about themselves?

14:41:59 [kasei]

does anyone have thoughts on the "extra" features I list as possibilities in the strawman, especially the first two?

14:42:01 [AndyS]

LeeF: Strawman kasei's proposal and start on refinement/discussion.

14:42:05 [swh]

q+ to advocate HTTP headers

14:42:17 [AxelPolleres]

ack me

14:42:17 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about liaison with "void"

14:42:39 [AndyS]

Axel: Liaison with void? Formally?

14:43:13 [SimonS]

+q to comment on kaseis extra features

14:43:13 [kasei]

Michael Hausenblas asked me to be the point of contact with them, but as mentioned it's less than formal.

14:43:15 [swh]

I disagree that we should liase

14:43:41 [AndyS]

Be good for someone to keep the WG up-to-date.

14:44:00 [ericP]

void is in a space which is likely to shift a whole lot. we should consider our job to link to things playing the void role

14:44:29 [AndyS]

swh: Don't santion one schema. Instead, be neutral - don't refer to outside vocabs.

14:44:37 [ericP]

i don't mind using them in examples

14:44:43 [AndyS]

s/santion/sanction/

14:44:44 [swh]

yes, examples is ok

14:45:05 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Adopt kasei's strawman proposal of what goes into a service description (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ServiceDescriptions#Strawman_Proposal_for_Service_Description_Vocabulary_and_URIs) and begin to fill in details

14:45:30 [ericP]

seocnd

14:45:30 [AxelPolleres]

+1

14:45:33 [SimonS]

second

14:45:35 [KjetilK]

+1

14:45:44 [bglimm]

+1

14:45:44 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Adopt kasei's strawman proposal of what goes into a service description (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ServiceDescriptions#Strawman_Proposal_for_Service_Description_Vocabulary_and_URIs) and begin to fill in details

14:45:46 [AndyS]

No abstentions or objections

14:45:56 [kasei]

Zakim, unmute me

14:45:56 [Zakim]

kasei should no longer be muted

14:46:07 [SimonS]

q-

14:46:33 [LeeF]

ACTION: Greg to flesh out service description proposal with initial URI suggestions for features, classes, properties, etc.

14:46:34 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-51 - Flesh out service description proposal with initial URI suggestions for features, classes, properties, etc. [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-07-07].

14:46:50 [kasei]

Zakim, mute me

14:46:50 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

14:47:01 [swh]

ack me

14:47:01 [Zakim]

swh, you wanted to advocate HTTP headers

14:47:01 [AndyS]

Topic: Finding service descriptions

14:47:29 [AndyS]

swh: Use HTTP headers pointing to a URI.

14:47:52 [AndyS]

... but relative URI needed because sevice does not know what it's external name is

14:48:15 [kasei]

it's in the wiki under existing impls., not the strawman.

14:48:42 [LeeF]

option 1 - use HTTP header in any GET/HEAD request on the endpoint (with or without a query)

14:48:55 [LeeF]

option 2 - use HTTP OPTIONS verb

14:48:59 [AxelPolleres]

Steve says ANY http get reauest should have a pointer to the description?

14:49:00 [AndyS]

... URI is the endpoint with or without ?query

14:49:11 [LeeF]

option 3 - place service description RDF in a well-known location on the server

14:49:19 [LeeF]

option 4 - DESCRIBE query against SPARQL endpoint URI

14:49:22 [ericP]

q+ to suggest that [[ SELECT ?foo ?bar { <srvc> <x> ?foo ; <y> ?bar } ]] requires no extension to HTTP tools like apache, iis, ...

14:49:39 [pgearon]

+q

14:49:54 [LeeF]

option 5 - suggest that endpoints SHOULD answer queries about their own URI

14:49:57 [AndyS]

q+ to talk about endpoint URIs and separation from query engine

14:50:20 [swh]

what if they don't know their own URI? or the client doesn't know the real one

14:50:26 [LukeWM]

q+

14:50:27 [AndyS]

ack EricP

14:50:27 [Zakim]

ericP, you wanted to suggest that [[ SELECT ?foo ?bar { <srvc> <x> ?foo ; <y> ?bar } ]] requires no extension to HTTP tools like apache, iis, ...

14:51:00 [AndyS]

EricP: Make dft graph have own description in it.

14:51:14 [AndyS]

pgearon: Not so sure about thisl

14:51:38 [ericP]

but the SPARQL query *is* a GET

14:51:39 [AndyS]

... not RESTful. GET on a web resource.

14:51:51 [swh]

q+ to say you can use 4 via 1

14:52:24 [AxelPolleres]

ack pgearon

14:52:29 [kasei]

another option, which I think no one is going to care for, is a new sparql query method

14:52:30 [AndyS]

ack AndyS

14:52:30 [Zakim]

AndyS, you wanted to talk about endpoint URIs and separation from query engine

14:52:34 [ericP]

HEAD is the same as GET without the response body

14:53:07 [swh]

+1 to AndyS on seperation

14:53:32 [pgearon]

ericP, yes, in general, but when used in REST then it is usually used to retrieve metadata

14:53:52 [pgearon]

HTTP only says that HEAD *should* start the same as GET

14:54:23 [AndyS]

AndyS: issue can be that the protocol and dataset are separate in the service impl

14:56:01 [LeeF]

q?

14:56:25 [AndyS]

ack LukeWM

14:56:38 [AndyS]

LukeWM: option 1 pref

14:56:47 [AndyS]

... avoids multipel requests

14:56:50 [kasei]

q+ to worry about difficulty in using OPTIONS

14:57:20 [AndyS]

... creatively, if a service changes frequently, may be an overhead

14:57:21 [ericP]

i don't see that there are more reqs required if you query the service than if you HEAD the service

14:57:28 [LeeF]

ack swh

14:57:28 [Zakim]

swh, you wanted to say you can use 4 via 1

14:57:44 [AndyS]

swh: Can do opt 4 with canned describe query.

14:58:00 [ericP]

in fact, the contrary, as querying the service gives you the data, where HEADing the service is an extra indirect

14:58:04 [AndyS]

... Gralik store woudl find it hard to do opt 4

14:58:12 [AndyS]

s/Gralik/Garlik/

14:58:20 [kasei]

Zakim, unmute me

14:58:20 [Zakim]

kasei should no longer be muted

14:58:39 [AndyS]

... differentiates between opt 1 and 4.

14:59:00 [kasei]

having trouble keeping track of which option belongs to which number :\

14:59:19 [LeeF]

i'll repeat :)

14:59:24 [AndyS]

... server has broadbased info

14:59:56 [AndyS]

(Joseki does not have access to dynamic extensions the query engine may provide)

15:00:07 [LeeF]

option 1 - use HTTP header in any GET/HEAD request on the endpoint (with or without a query)

15:00:07 [LeeF]

option 2 - use HTTP OPTIONS verb

15:00:07 [LeeF]

option 3 - place service description RDF in a well-known location on the server

15:00:07 [LeeF]

option 4 - DESCRIBE query against SPARQL endpoint URI

15:00:07 [LeeF]

option 5 - suggest that endpoints SHOULD answer queries about their own URI

15:00:23 [LukeWM]

ericP, I think it depends on how your application works. If you want to make the query and find out the service description whatever the description, using GET results in fewer requests.

15:00:36 [AndyS]

kasei: OPTIONs has costs / difficulties. client libraries can make it tricky.

15:00:41 [swh]

+1 to OPTIONS being difficult

15:00:43 [kasei]

q+

15:00:55 [AndyS]

LeeF: will send options to the email list

15:01:02 [AxelPolleres]

+1 with concern on OPTIONS option

15:01:26 [LeeF]

q?

15:01:30 [LeeF]

ack kasei

15:01:30 [Zakim]

kasei, you wanted to worry about difficulty in using OPTIONS and to

15:01:42 [AndyS]

LeeF: Next week: Negation, update from strawmans on negation update submission.

15:01:44 [LeeF]

option 6 - add a new SPARQL query method alongside SELECT/CONSTRUCT/ASK/DESCRIBE

15:02:03 [AxelPolleres]

isn't that just DESCRIBE <endpoint> ?

15:02:04 [KjetilK]

DESCRIBE ENDPOINT

15:02:04 [ericP]

SELFDESCRIBE ?

15:02:15 [pgearon]

I'm fine with option 6, but would still want a REST approach that was equivalent

15:02:23 [AndyS]

LeeF: Thx to editors for FPWD.

15:02:25 [kasei]

pgearon++

15:02:26 [Zakim]

-Orri

15:02:29 [Zakim]

-[Garlik]

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-KjetilK

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-AxelPolleres

15:02:32 [AndyS]

Thx to Eric in advance

15:02:32 [Zakim]

-EricP

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-bglimm

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-LeeF

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-AlexPassant

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-kasei

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-Prateek

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-pgearon

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-SimonS

15:02:48 [AndyS]

ADJOURNED

15:03:30 [kasei]

I think it has a lot of issues :)

15:03:39 [Zakim]

-AndyS

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SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were LeeF, AndyS, kasei, AlexPassant, bglimm, pgearon, Prateek, Orri, EricP, AxelPolleres, swh, LukeWM, +0479864aaaa, KjetilK, +049261287aabb, SimonS

15:03:47 [AndyS]

Any minutes magic thse days?

15:03:53 [LeeF]

Are there any other technologies that we can learn from for this sort of thing? Or does everyone do this badly?

15:04:10 [AndyS]

UDDI - for doing it badly.

15:04:19 [AndyS]

But it's 3rd party.

15:04:24 [ericP]

P3P ruffled a bunch of feathers in defining a new header

15:04:28 [AndyS]

And no one said S-O-A-P

15:04:38 [LeeF]

AndyS, if you want you're welcome to try to follow the instructions in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0406.html but i'm really plenty happy to do it myself

15:05:09 [AndyS]

LeeF, can't today -- in a rush.

15:05:20 [AndyS]

can try tomorrow for the fun of it. "fun"

15:05:33 [LeeF]

:-)

15:05:36 [ericP]

AndyS's busy writing soap headers to communicate void

15:05:58 [AndyS]

soap bubbles.

15:06:08 [AxelPolleres]

you mean void communication?

15:06:30 [AxelPolleres]

:-)(

15:06:31 [AndyS]

no - avoid.

15:06:39 [AxelPolleres]

:-)

15:06:51 [AndyS]

void2 and to void.

15:07:00 [AxelPolleres]

soap a void. ?

15:07:12 [AxelPolleres]

(turtle syntax)

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!

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