IRC log of wai-wcag on 2009-06-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 27 minutes ago
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 June 2009
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- regrets+ James_Nurthen
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Cooper
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see nothing on the agenda
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- +??P4
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2009AprJun/0064.html
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, ??P4 is Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- Chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Tim_Boland
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- Agenda+ Miscellaneous Issues for 25 June 2009
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Regrets: James_Nurthen
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- + +1.617.584.aaaa
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- zakim, +1.617 is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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- zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- scribe: Ben
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Miscellaneous Issues for 25 June 2009" taken up [from Christophe]
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- Topic: WCAG Face to Face at TPAC 2009?
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- ack c
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 20:14:20 [Ben]
- no resolution, will take comments into consideration
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- Topic: Procedure for creating and updating WCAG 2.0 sufficient and advisory techniques
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- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Procedure_for_creating_and_updating_WCAG_2.0_sufficient_and_advisory_techniques
- 20:15:32 [Ben]
- oops, here's the right one - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2009/05/external-techniques.html
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- -Tim_Boland
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- + +1.415.536.aabb
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- RESOLUTION: Accept Procedure for creating and updating WCAG 2.0 sufficient and advisory techniques as amended.
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- Topic: Which font to use to determine Large Size for Contrast
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:56:15 [Loretta]
- Currently, Times New Roman is the smallest font that we are aware of that has widespread use on the web.
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- ^we are^the Working Group is^
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Currently, Times New Roman is the smallest font physically that the Working Group is aware of that has widespread use on the web. It could be used to determine the size of 14 or 18 point text.
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- ... text in images.
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- .. text when the font size is not known.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as amended and add a note to understanding 1.4.3 and 1.4.6.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: Clarifying what it means to "fail" a technique
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- If this is a sufficient technique for a success criterion, failing this test procedure does not necessarily mean that the success criterion has not been satisfied in some other way, only that only that this technique has not been successfully implemented.
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- If this is a sufficient technique for a success criterion, failing this test procedure does not necessarily mean that the success criterion has not been satisfied in some other way.
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- Failure of the test procedure of a sufficient technique only means that the technique is not being used, not that the success criterion has not been met. However, it means that the technique has not been successfully implemented and cannot be used to claim conformance to that Success Criteria.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- RESOLUTION: Add to the Technique boilerplate, at the end of the "Tests" section: "If this is a sufficient technique for a success criterion, failing this test procedure does not necessarily mean that the success criterion has not been satisfied in some other way, only that this technique has not been successfully implemented and can not be used to claim conformance." (note: no boilerplate on failures)
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- RESOLUTION: Add to the second paragraph of the Sufficient and Advisory Techniques Section of Introduction to Techniques for WCAG 2.0: "Failure of a test procedure for a sufficient technique does not necessarily mean that the success criterion has not been satisfied in some other way, only that this technique has not been successfully implemented and can not be used to claim conformance."
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- Topic: Issue 2703: About H27 and H53 for OBJECT tag
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- RESOLUTION: Accept 2703 as proposed.
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- Topic: Issue 2712: login expiration
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- RESOLUTION: Accept 2712 as proposed.
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- Topic: Issue 2715: G167: confusing or redundant test procedure
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- RESOLUTION: Accept 2715 as proposed.
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- Topic: Issue 2716: Link Purpose (In Context)—Understanding SC 2.4.4
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as amended.
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- Topic: Issue 2717: Language of Parts: SC 3.1.2
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- RESOLUTION: Accept 2717 as proposed.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:31:43 [Ben]
- ACTION: Bruce to assemble Section508 survey results into a single document for review.
- 21:31:43 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-36 - Assemble Section508 survey results into a single document for review. [on Bruce Bailey - due 2009-07-02].
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- Next week: Pick up Issue 2719.
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- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -David_MacDonald
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- - +1.415.536.aabb
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Cooper
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- zakim, close this item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
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- -Ben_Caldwell
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +1.617.584.aaaa,
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- q?
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- ... Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.415.536.aabb
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- Present: 01 Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, 01Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sofia_Celic_Li
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- Zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Bruce to assemble Section508 survey results into a single document for review. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-31-43