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13:59:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SVGIG
13:59:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:59:28 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
13:59:28 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2009
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14:02:55 <gwadej> I tried the conference number, it picked up, announced the bridge, transferred me to another number and hung up.
14:02:58 <JeffSchiller> hello all: i get "the conference is restricted at this time"
14:03:15 <Rob_Russell> yeah, i get the same...
14:03:29 <DavePorter> phone gave me a busy signal
14:06:17 <gwadej> A second attempt got the 'conference is restricted' message
14:06:51 <JeffSchiller> i tried shepazu's mobile # and got his voicemail immediately
14:07:01 <JeffSchiller> how are people with skype?
14:07:21 <gwadej> okay for me.
14:07:38 <DavePorter> Not on it, never used it
14:07:46 <JeffSchiller> ok, that's a non-starter then :)
14:07:56 <DavePorter> Don't let me hold you back
14:07:59 <JeffSchiller> we may have to reschedule - let's give shepazu a few more minutes
14:08:32 <shepazu> hey
14:08:39 <JeffSchiller> hey doug
14:08:56 <shepazu> zakim, room for 8
14:08:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'room for 8', shepazu
14:09:04 <shepazu> zakim, room for 8?
14:09:06 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svgig)14:09Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1509Z
14:09:36 <Zakim> Team_(svgig)14:09Z has now started
14:09:42 <Zakim> + +1.312.228.aaaa
14:09:59 <Zakim> + +966aabb
14:10:17 <Rob_Russell> i'm the 966 number
14:10:40 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aabb is Rob
14:10:40 <Zakim> +Rob; got it
14:10:44 <DavePorter> Same phone #?  I get a busy signal
14:10:48 <Zakim> +gwadej
14:10:55 <DavePorter> I'll try again
14:10:58 <shepazu> be there momentarily
14:11:03 <shepazu> zakim, code?
14:11:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
14:11:11 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aaaa is Jeff
14:11:11 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
14:11:47 <Zakim> +Shepazu.a
14:11:54 <Zakim> + +1.253.223.aacc
14:12:14 <JeffSchiller> zakim, aacc is DavePorter
14:12:14 <Zakim> +DavePorter; got it
14:12:20 <shepazu> /me Zakim, call shepazu 
14:12:34 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
14:12:34 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
14:12:35 <Zakim> +Shepazu
14:13:33 <DavePorter> Dave Porter volunteers to be the scribe
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14:13:51 <DavePorter> Want to get the rhythm of the calls going again
14:13:59 <DavePorter> Andreas and Ruud not able to make it
14:14:05 <DavePorter> SVGOpen topic:
14:14:49 <Zakim> -Shepazu.a
14:14:52 <shepazu> scribenick: DavePorter 
14:15:08 <shepazu> zakim, this is SVGIG
14:15:08 <Zakim> shepazu, this was already Team_(svgig)14:09Z
14:15:09 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; that matches Team_(svgig)14:09Z
14:15:11 <Zakim> + +03174349aadd
14:15:29 <DavePorter> Rob: looking into computer history museum, will be there for the dinner
14:15:43 <DavePorter> It's reserved but not paid for
14:16:09 <DavePorter> Andreas said the price was OK and everyone agreed
14:16:29 <DavePorter> John F. space for workshops, a place at IBM, have directionss to physical location
14:16:50 <stelt> Jon F. , not John F.
14:16:54 <DavePorter> Submission guidelines, when someone submits, it has to be in DocBook format
14:17:13 <DavePorter> Andreas providing additional help for people's familiarity with it
14:17:53 <DavePorter> Docbook is  a pain but we're trying to be diplomatic about the need for it, and the benefits
14:18:22 <DavePorter> We should bring up a discussion about DocBook separately.  
14:18:56 <DavePorter> Alternative: put a form on the web.  If you're trying to get at fielded data, that might work better
14:19:13 <DavePorter> The information we need would be more reliably placed and accessible.
14:19:36 <DavePorter> Maybe we coudl get DocBook out of Open Office.  
14:20:28 <DavePorter> The minutes from the SVGOpen call are up, let's deal with the issues separately, guidelines are being worked on.
14:20:39 <DavePorter> Review wise: there are two new abstracts there, unassigned reviews.
14:21:07 <DavePorter> Andreas needs to assign these out
14:21:21 <DavePorter> By end of month all reviews need to be done
14:21:37 <DavePorter> Other SVG Open issues??
14:21:39 <Rob_Russell> http://www.schepers.cc/svgopen/wiki/index.php?title=Minutes--20090622
14:21:46 <DavePorter> Thanks doug
14:22:14 <DavePorter> Do we have everything covered on the insurance issue?  Question goes to Google.
14:22:19 <DavePorter> "Event insurance"
14:22:34 <DavePorter> Like, $60 a day
14:22:58 <DavePorter> THe insurance companies treat this as a routine thing
14:23:13 <DavePorter> That was Wade speaking
14:23:28 <DavePorter> Sponsor discussions still going on
14:23:53 <DavePorter> Still in IBM financial department, Charles from Opera asked for an invoice
14:24:08 <DavePorter> TOPIC: face to face for SVG-IG
14:24:24 <DavePorter> Stelt talked about it
14:24:31 <DavePorter> Want a working session to deal with issues
14:24:49 <DavePorter> We should be planning a date and later on a place
14:25:04 <DavePorter> What are some of the items or issues needing work?
14:25:23 <DavePorter> Stelt: planet SVG, 
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14:26:30 <chaals> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:26:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jeff, Rob, gwadej, DavePorter, Shepazu, +03174349aadd
14:26:39 <DavePorter> Since we're a small group ,we could fairly easily grab a room somewhere
14:26:49 <DavePorter> Jeff thinks needs a little more discussion on scope and items
14:27:11 <DavePorter> Stelt to mail out ideas & invitatations to mai llist
14:27:24 <DavePorter> TOPIC: Planet SVG site
14:27:32 <DavePorter> Rob and Jeff have been pretty busy
14:27:44 <DavePorter> Hoping to get back to working on,
14:27:51 <DavePorter> There's a couple tools needing integration into site
14:28:26 <DavePorter> Rob: Floating the idea of a site redesign
14:28:43 <DavePorter> If there was a visual refresh, are there any objections?
14:29:21 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:29:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-svgig-minutes.html chaals
14:29:49 <DavePorter> Stelt: have a lot of activity up front, no click.
14:30:11 <DavePorter> Let's put a flash intro there--(Just a joke)
14:31:14 <JeffSchiller> silverlight with flash fallback
14:31:16 <DavePorter> Suggest make it work better for smaller type screens
14:31:27 <DavePorter> Some recent research on this
14:32:06 <DavePorter> Example: working from a Netbook
14:32:20 <stelt> mobiles are screwed?
14:32:21 <DavePorter> The concern was heard
14:32:28 <DavePorter> Thanks
14:33:08 <DavePorter> It's been nice, there have been news items coming in.  Also a lot of room in there to write guides.
14:33:27 <DavePorter> Encourage putting together tutorials or how-to's, lets get more content
14:33:50 <DavePorter> Painful: image hosting
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14:34:22 <DavePorter> Provide fallback images for SVG.  SVG is preferred of course.  But rasterized fallback is cool.
14:35:26 <DavePorter> Might be worth trying to find someone in the Drupal community to help us out.  As it is, Rob is the single point of connection
14:35:36 <DavePorter> For the depth of what you need to know to operate on Planet SVG
14:36:08 <DavePorter> Maybe should put a call out on SVG Developers
14:36:09 <HelderMagalhaes> (Hi everyone! :-)  Sorry about being late. :-|  I'll be listening on IRC only as I haven't been able to setup for the phone bridge during work hours yet.)
14:36:20 <DavePorter> Thanks Helder!
14:37:09 <DavePorter> Writing a drupal module: a tall order
14:37:45 <DavePorter> Shelly Powers is a huge drupal fan, but she's not taking on more volunteer work
14:38:15 <DavePorter> Maybe she could just give us some design advice, or use Drupal themes.
14:39:50 <DavePorter> Will get in contact with some Drupal folks at Vodaphone
14:40:05 <DavePorter> Oracle
14:40:42 <DavePorter> Some of these large companies you might not think are into SVG, are signing up for the Open
14:41:35 <DavePorter> It's so technical, it's hard to get "designers" to work on this stuff.
14:43:27 <DavePorter> Upload SVG, rasterize it on the server, specify the size
14:43:54 <DavePorter> As it is, this sort of thing is too complex, painful, and manual to create
14:44:15 <DavePorter> Rob may have some modules that could be put in place to do this semi automatically
14:45:02 <stelt> Rob_Russell, do you think http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdrupaljam.nl%2Fprogramma-utrecht&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0= is interesting?
14:46:07 <stelt> Rob_Russell, i could maybe go (though i would be sleeping half the time)
14:46:18 <DavePorter> Some of these capabilities are common thru other sites, we could contribute back to the Drupal community
14:46:59 <DavePorter> Action: contact shelly powers
14:46:59 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - contact
14:47:19 <DavePorter> Action: Jeff contact shelly powers
14:47:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Contact shelly powers [on Jeff Schiller - due 2009-07-02].
14:48:00 <DavePorter> Action: Jeff Write down the workflow, 
14:48:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Write down the workflow,  [on Jeff Schiller - due 2009-07-02].
14:48:09 <DavePorter> Ooops, created some extra actions
14:48:30 <DavePorter> TOPIC: show and tell section
14:48:39 <DavePorter> Write up some slides and send out
14:48:59 <DavePorter> Describe what they are working on
14:49:28 <DavePorter> Dave Porter volunteered to be a guinea pig
14:49:33 <DavePorter> My "corporate" example
14:49:55 <DavePorter> (It's a server-generated SVG data visualization)
14:50:01 <DavePorter> WIth a bit of UI mixed in
14:50:26 <DavePorter> On planet SVG: interviews with Inkscape developers, people making SVG tools
14:50:33 <DavePorter> "Success stories"
14:50:39 <DavePorter> How a tech really helped them out
14:51:19 <DavePorter> At SVG Open, "force" people to describing their thing on Planet
14:52:00 <DavePorter> Mechanics: how can you share slides or desktop
14:52:15 <DavePorter> Google has a Powerpoint type tool/format
14:52:22 <DavePorter> Can we send out Powerpoint?
14:52:42 <DavePorter> You can view PPT in Open Office?
14:52:43 <DavePorter> Yes
14:53:06 <DavePorter> SVGMaker takes powerpoint and converts it to SVG
14:53:16 <DavePorter> "Software Mechanics" in Australia
14:53:59 <DavePorter> Webex & stuff like that, 
14:54:36 <DavePorter> It's supposed to be cross platform.
14:54:41 <DavePorter> Adobe has something too.
14:55:03 <DavePorter> Dave Porter will ask his boss if "Boeing" could host a webex, then you SVG IG folks join it.
14:55:22 <DavePorter> We use Webex routinely here at Boeing, but I don't know how public that is
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14:55:50 <DavePorter> Screenshots might be enough
14:56:59 <DavePorter> Does Powerpoint have any export formats?
14:57:11 <DavePorter> 15-20 minutes, Dave volunteered to do this in a couple weeks
14:57:36 <DavePorter> Jeff working on getting a different time for the call
14:57:53 <DavePorter> Seems like someone misses whatever time is picked.
14:58:21 <DavePorter> Closing moments...
14:59:35 <DavePorter> Microsoft, Google Webkit, collaborating on DOM3 events calls, next gen browsers will have a single unified keyboard model.  
15:00:05 <Zakim> -Rob
15:00:43 <Zakim> +Rob
15:00:51 <DavePorter> Events based on keyboards, the sequence of events, IME
15:01:07 <DavePorter> Thanks Doug
15:02:14 <DavePorter> Question for Rob: did you look at that utrecht URL?
15:02:40 <DavePorter> Stelt could fit in his schedule, but he'd be sleepy
15:03:08 <DavePorter> Talk offline
15:03:16 <DavePorter> Looks well put together, quite a lot going on
15:03:51 <DavePorter> Stelt: another thing: people going to SVG Open?  Anyone bringing wife or girlfriend?
15:04:51 <DavePorter> SVG WG sending all its minutes to the public list, hoping for more feedback that way
15:06:07 <DavePorter> www.svg mailing list,
15:06:23 <JeffSchiller> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/
15:10:43 <Zakim> -DavePorter
15:10:44 <Zakim> -gwadej
15:10:45 <Zakim> -Jeff
15:10:47 <Zakim> - +03174349aadd
15:10:49 <JeffSchiller> can someone publish the minutes?
15:10:52 <Zakim> -Rob
15:10:55 <Zakim> -Shepazu
15:10:56 <Zakim> Team_(svgig)14:09Z has ended
15:10:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.312.228.aaaa, +966aabb, Rob, gwadej, Jeff, Shepazu.a, +1.253.223.aacc, DavePorter, Shepazu, +03174349aadd
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15:11:13 <DavePorter> Jeff, I would if I knew how
15:11:25 <DavePorter> But I don't!  :-(
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15:11:54 <JeffSchiller> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-svgig-minutes.html JeffSchiller
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