IRC log of svgig on 2009-06-25

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-svgig-irc
13:59:25 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs public
13:59:25 [Zakim]
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13:59:27 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be SVGIG
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 June 2009
14:02:20 [DavePorter]
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14:02:55 [gwadej]
I tried the conference number, it picked up, announced the bridge, transferred me to another number and hung up.
14:02:58 [JeffSchiller]
hello all: i get "the conference is restricted at this time"
14:03:15 [Rob_Russell]
yeah, i get the same...
14:03:29 [DavePorter]
phone gave me a busy signal
14:06:17 [gwadej]
A second attempt got the 'conference is restricted' message
14:06:51 [JeffSchiller]
i tried shepazu's mobile # and got his voicemail immediately
14:07:01 [JeffSchiller]
how are people with skype?
14:07:21 [gwadej]
okay for me.
14:07:38 [DavePorter]
Not on it, never used it
14:07:46 [JeffSchiller]
ok, that's a non-starter then :)
14:07:56 [DavePorter]
Don't let me hold you back
14:07:59 [JeffSchiller]
we may have to reschedule - let's give shepazu a few more minutes
14:08:32 [shepazu]
hey
14:08:39 [JeffSchiller]
hey doug
14:08:56 [shepazu]
zakim, room for 8
14:08:56 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'room for 8', shepazu
14:09:04 [shepazu]
zakim, room for 8?
14:09:06 [Zakim]
ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svgig)14:09Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1509Z
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Team_(svgig)14:09Z has now started
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+ +1.312.228.aaaa
14:09:59 [Zakim]
+ +966aabb
14:10:17 [Rob_Russell]
i'm the 966 number
14:10:40 [JeffSchiller]
zakim, aabb is Rob
14:10:40 [Zakim]
+Rob; got it
14:10:44 [DavePorter]
Same phone #? I get a busy signal
14:10:48 [Zakim]
+gwadej
14:10:55 [DavePorter]
I'll try again
14:10:58 [shepazu]
be there momentarily
14:11:03 [shepazu]
zakim, code?
14:11:03 [Zakim]
the conference code is 26632 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
14:11:11 [JeffSchiller]
zakim, aaaa is Jeff
14:11:11 [Zakim]
+Jeff; got it
14:11:47 [Zakim]
+Shepazu.a
14:11:54 [Zakim]
+ +1.253.223.aacc
14:12:14 [JeffSchiller]
zakim, aacc is DavePorter
14:12:14 [Zakim]
+DavePorter; got it
14:12:20 [shepazu]
/me Zakim, call shepazu
14:12:34 [shepazu]
Zakim, call shepazu
14:12:34 [Zakim]
ok, shepazu; the call is being made
14:12:35 [Zakim]
+Shepazu
14:13:33 [DavePorter]
Dave Porter volunteers to be the scribe
14:13:40 [stelt]
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14:13:51 [DavePorter]
Want to get the rhythm of the calls going again
14:13:59 [DavePorter]
Andreas and Ruud not able to make it
14:14:05 [DavePorter]
SVGOpen topic:
14:14:49 [Zakim]
-Shepazu.a
14:14:52 [shepazu]
scribenick: DavePorter
14:15:08 [shepazu]
zakim, this is SVGIG
14:15:08 [Zakim]
shepazu, this was already Team_(svgig)14:09Z
14:15:09 [Zakim]
ok, shepazu; that matches Team_(svgig)14:09Z
14:15:11 [Zakim]
+ +03174349aadd
14:15:29 [DavePorter]
Rob: looking into computer history museum, will be there for the dinner
14:15:43 [DavePorter]
It's reserved but not paid for
14:16:09 [DavePorter]
Andreas said the price was OK and everyone agreed
14:16:29 [DavePorter]
John F. space for workshops, a place at IBM, have directionss to physical location
14:16:50 [stelt]
Jon F. , not John F.
14:16:54 [DavePorter]
Submission guidelines, when someone submits, it has to be in DocBook format
14:17:13 [DavePorter]
Andreas providing additional help for people's familiarity with it
14:17:53 [DavePorter]
Docbook is a pain but we're trying to be diplomatic about the need for it, and the benefits
14:18:22 [DavePorter]
We should bring up a discussion about DocBook separately.
14:18:56 [DavePorter]
Alternative: put a form on the web. If you're trying to get at fielded data, that might work better
14:19:13 [DavePorter]
The information we need would be more reliably placed and accessible.
14:19:36 [DavePorter]
Maybe we coudl get DocBook out of Open Office.
14:20:28 [DavePorter]
The minutes from the SVGOpen call are up, let's deal with the issues separately, guidelines are being worked on.
14:20:39 [DavePorter]
Review wise: there are two new abstracts there, unassigned reviews.
14:21:07 [DavePorter]
Andreas needs to assign these out
14:21:21 [DavePorter]
By end of month all reviews need to be done
14:21:37 [DavePorter]
Other SVG Open issues??
14:21:39 [Rob_Russell]
http://www.schepers.cc/svgopen/wiki/index.php?title=Minutes--20090622
14:21:46 [DavePorter]
Thanks doug
14:22:14 [DavePorter]
Do we have everything covered on the insurance issue? Question goes to Google.
14:22:19 [DavePorter]
"Event insurance"
14:22:34 [DavePorter]
Like, $60 a day
14:22:58 [DavePorter]
THe insurance companies treat this as a routine thing
14:23:13 [DavePorter]
That was Wade speaking
14:23:28 [DavePorter]
Sponsor discussions still going on
14:23:53 [DavePorter]
Still in IBM financial department, Charles from Opera asked for an invoice
14:24:08 [DavePorter]
TOPIC: face to face for SVG-IG
14:24:24 [DavePorter]
Stelt talked about it
14:24:31 [DavePorter]
Want a working session to deal with issues
14:24:49 [DavePorter]
We should be planning a date and later on a place
14:25:04 [DavePorter]
What are some of the items or issues needing work?
14:25:23 [DavePorter]
Stelt: planet SVG,
14:25:32 [chaals]
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14:26:30 [chaals]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:26:30 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Jeff, Rob, gwadej, DavePorter, Shepazu, +03174349aadd
14:26:39 [DavePorter]
Since we're a small group ,we could fairly easily grab a room somewhere
14:26:49 [DavePorter]
Jeff thinks needs a little more discussion on scope and items
14:27:11 [DavePorter]
Stelt to mail out ideas & invitatations to mai llist
14:27:24 [DavePorter]
TOPIC: Planet SVG site
14:27:32 [DavePorter]
Rob and Jeff have been pretty busy
14:27:44 [DavePorter]
Hoping to get back to working on,
14:27:51 [DavePorter]
There's a couple tools needing integration into site
14:28:26 [DavePorter]
Rob: Floating the idea of a site redesign
14:28:43 [DavePorter]
If there was a visual refresh, are there any objections?
14:29:21 [chaals]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-svgig-minutes.html chaals
14:29:49 [DavePorter]
Stelt: have a lot of activity up front, no click.
14:30:11 [DavePorter]
Let's put a flash intro there--(Just a joke)
14:31:14 [JeffSchiller]
silverlight with flash fallback
14:31:16 [DavePorter]
Suggest make it work better for smaller type screens
14:31:27 [DavePorter]
Some recent research on this
14:32:06 [DavePorter]
Example: working from a Netbook
14:32:20 [stelt]
mobiles are screwed?
14:32:21 [DavePorter]
The concern was heard
14:32:28 [DavePorter]
Thanks
14:33:08 [DavePorter]
It's been nice, there have been news items coming in. Also a lot of room in there to write guides.
14:33:27 [DavePorter]
Encourage putting together tutorials or how-to's, lets get more content
14:33:50 [DavePorter]
Painful: image hosting
14:34:12 [HelderMagalhaes]
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14:34:22 [DavePorter]
Provide fallback images for SVG. SVG is preferred of course. But rasterized fallback is cool.
14:35:26 [DavePorter]
Might be worth trying to find someone in the Drupal community to help us out. As it is, Rob is the single point of connection
14:35:36 [DavePorter]
For the depth of what you need to know to operate on Planet SVG
14:36:08 [DavePorter]
Maybe should put a call out on SVG Developers
14:36:09 [HelderMagalhaes]
(Hi everyone! :-) Sorry about being late. :-| I'll be listening on IRC only as I haven't been able to setup for the phone bridge during work hours yet.)
14:36:20 [DavePorter]
Thanks Helder!
14:37:09 [DavePorter]
Writing a drupal module: a tall order
14:37:45 [DavePorter]
Shelly Powers is a huge drupal fan, but she's not taking on more volunteer work
14:38:15 [DavePorter]
Maybe she could just give us some design advice, or use Drupal themes.
14:39:50 [DavePorter]
Will get in contact with some Drupal folks at Vodaphone
14:40:05 [DavePorter]
Oracle
14:40:42 [DavePorter]
Some of these large companies you might not think are into SVG, are signing up for the Open
14:41:35 [DavePorter]
It's so technical, it's hard to get "designers" to work on this stuff.
14:43:27 [DavePorter]
Upload SVG, rasterize it on the server, specify the size
14:43:54 [DavePorter]
As it is, this sort of thing is too complex, painful, and manual to create
14:44:15 [DavePorter]
Rob may have some modules that could be put in place to do this semi automatically
14:45:02 [stelt]
Rob_Russell, do you think http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdrupaljam.nl%2Fprogramma-utrecht&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0= is interesting?
14:46:07 [stelt]
Rob_Russell, i could maybe go (though i would be sleeping half the time)
14:46:18 [DavePorter]
Some of these capabilities are common thru other sites, we could contribute back to the Drupal community
14:46:59 [DavePorter]
Action: contact shelly powers
14:46:59 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - contact
14:47:19 [DavePorter]
Action: Jeff contact shelly powers
14:47:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-22 - Contact shelly powers [on Jeff Schiller - due 2009-07-02].
14:48:00 [DavePorter]
Action: Jeff Write down the workflow,
14:48:00 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-23 - Write down the workflow, [on Jeff Schiller - due 2009-07-02].
14:48:09 [DavePorter]
Ooops, created some extra actions
14:48:30 [DavePorter]
TOPIC: show and tell section
14:48:39 [DavePorter]
Write up some slides and send out
14:48:59 [DavePorter]
Describe what they are working on
14:49:28 [DavePorter]
Dave Porter volunteered to be a guinea pig
14:49:33 [DavePorter]
My "corporate" example
14:49:55 [DavePorter]
(It's a server-generated SVG data visualization)
14:50:01 [DavePorter]
WIth a bit of UI mixed in
14:50:26 [DavePorter]
On planet SVG: interviews with Inkscape developers, people making SVG tools
14:50:33 [DavePorter]
"Success stories"
14:50:39 [DavePorter]
How a tech really helped them out
14:51:19 [DavePorter]
At SVG Open, "force" people to describing their thing on Planet
14:52:00 [DavePorter]
Mechanics: how can you share slides or desktop
14:52:15 [DavePorter]
Google has a Powerpoint type tool/format
14:52:22 [DavePorter]
Can we send out Powerpoint?
14:52:42 [DavePorter]
You can view PPT in Open Office?
14:52:43 [DavePorter]
Yes
14:53:06 [DavePorter]
SVGMaker takes powerpoint and converts it to SVG
14:53:16 [DavePorter]
"Software Mechanics" in Australia
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Webex & stuff like that,
14:54:36 [DavePorter]
It's supposed to be cross platform.
14:54:41 [DavePorter]
Adobe has something too.
14:55:03 [DavePorter]
Dave Porter will ask his boss if "Boeing" could host a webex, then you SVG IG folks join it.
14:55:22 [DavePorter]
We use Webex routinely here at Boeing, but I don't know how public that is
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14:55:50 [DavePorter]
Screenshots might be enough
14:56:59 [DavePorter]
Does Powerpoint have any export formats?
14:57:11 [DavePorter]
15-20 minutes, Dave volunteered to do this in a couple weeks
14:57:36 [DavePorter]
Jeff working on getting a different time for the call
14:57:53 [DavePorter]
Seems like someone misses whatever time is picked.
14:58:21 [DavePorter]
Closing moments...
14:59:35 [DavePorter]
Microsoft, Google Webkit, collaborating on DOM3 events calls, next gen browsers will have a single unified keyboard model.
15:00:05 [Zakim]
-Rob
15:00:43 [Zakim]
+Rob
15:00:51 [DavePorter]
Events based on keyboards, the sequence of events, IME
15:01:07 [DavePorter]
Thanks Doug
15:02:14 [DavePorter]
Question for Rob: did you look at that utrecht URL?
15:02:40 [DavePorter]
Stelt could fit in his schedule, but he'd be sleepy
15:03:08 [DavePorter]
Talk offline
15:03:16 [DavePorter]
Looks well put together, quite a lot going on
15:03:51 [DavePorter]
Stelt: another thing: people going to SVG Open? Anyone bringing wife or girlfriend?
15:04:51 [DavePorter]
SVG WG sending all its minutes to the public list, hoping for more feedback that way
15:06:07 [DavePorter]
www.svg mailing list,
15:06:23 [JeffSchiller]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/
15:10:43 [Zakim]
-DavePorter
15:10:44 [Zakim]
-gwadej
15:10:45 [Zakim]
-Jeff
15:10:47 [Zakim]
- +03174349aadd
15:10:49 [JeffSchiller]
can someone publish the minutes?
15:10:52 [Zakim]
-Rob
15:10:55 [Zakim]
-Shepazu
15:10:56 [Zakim]
Team_(svgig)14:09Z has ended
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Attendees were +1.312.228.aaaa, +966aabb, Rob, gwadej, Jeff, Shepazu.a, +1.253.223.aacc, DavePorter, Shepazu, +03174349aadd
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15:11:13 [DavePorter]
Jeff, I would if I knew how
15:11:25 [DavePorter]
But I don't! :-(
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15:11:54 [JeffSchiller]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-svgig-minutes.html JeffSchiller
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