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<trackbot> Date: 24 June 2009
<scribe> Scribe: Steven
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html
Subtopic @name
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE
Steven: I believe this is dealt with
Subtopic: Informative references
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE1
Steven: I believe also dealt with
Subopic: 5th Ed
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE2
Sahne: We had agreed we couldn't do that
Steven: Yes, it is deliberate
Subtopic: SotD
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE3
Steven: This is a typo s/A/C/
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Subtopic: Appx C
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE4
Steven: This was always an informative appx, meant to advise on practise, and moving it to a note is much more suitable for such information
Shane: We need to update that note
Steven: That's the whole
point
... Because people were assuming Appx C was normative, and
because it was part of the TR, only made for problems
... since it made it difficult to update
Shane: Bjoern is one of the worst offenders in taking this appx as gospel
Subtopic: Broken links and xml:lang
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE5
Steven: He should have talked to us
Shane: I put the anchors
back
... they go to a pointer to the new doc, which has the same
anchors, so it is easy for him to update his document
Steven: We don't say that it's compulsory to use both lang and xml:lang
Shane: True, though we can still update the doc
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to update use of lang and xml:lang [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Update use of lang and xml:lang [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Subtopic: Lack of nesting rules
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE6
Steven: Not true. He's wrong/ We use exclusions in the formal definitions of the modules
Shane: Is this a new issue, or one he has mentioned before?
Steven: He doesn't include a link...
Subtopic: No nesting rules for Ruby
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE7
Steven: We just reference the
Ruby spec
... which includes the exclusions.
... So he's wrong
Subtopic: Issue 9
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE8
Steven: One of his URIs is
broken. Need to work out what he is talking about
... maybe about the name attribute
... it's this one:
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?user=guest;selectid=6504;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
... which is the same as the issue 1 above
Subtopic: References
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE9
Steven: I think this has been addressed
Shane: It has
Subtopic: DOCTYPE Optional
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE10
Shane: What do you want to
do?
... This was TimBL's idea. I disagree with optional DOCTYPEs
myself
Steven: What do we do?
Shane: Change it back
Steven: OK by me
... He calls this a process violation
... Change back?
Shane: Sure
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to make doctype required [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Make doctype required [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Subtopic: @version
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE12
Shane: We don't require it
... it is in HTML4 and XHTML 1.0
... and deprecation isn't a problem; you can reprecate
... but what change would he like to make?
Steven: True, not actually an issue in that case
Subtopic: Change not mentioned
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE13
Shane: Modualrization widened the
datatype of @version to CDATA
... so in RDFa we used something more friendly
... Not sure which change he is referring to...
Steven: We should investigate if
there is a case to mention this
... I'm not convinced this really is a change in the sense he
means it
Subtopic: @lang
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE14
Steven: He points to a message
from someone outside the group and claims that that is our
reason
... but it's not
Shane: It is not a reason, it is a cause
Steven: We asked accessibility people if it would help and they said yes
Shane: I have to leave now
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