IRC log of swxg on 2009-06-24

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12:59:32 [Zakim]

+??P20

12:59:34 [AndreaP]

zakim, ??P20 is me

12:59:34 [Zakim]

+AndreaP; got it

12:59:36 [Zakim]

+DKA

12:59:47 [AndreaP]

zakim, mute me

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AndreaP should now be muted

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12:59:57 [rreck]

i called in before IRCing

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+ +1.510.931.aabb

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+??P24

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13:00:06 [rreck]

zakim, who's on the phone

13:00:07 [AndreaP]

zakim, unmute me

13:00:12 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's on the phone', rreck

13:00:13 [mib_b1a6jx0a]

\nick mattroweshow

13:00:14 [Zakim]

AndreaP should no longer be muted

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Zakim, ??P24 is HarryH

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+HarryH; got it

13:00:26 [AndreaP]

zakim, mute me

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+Phil_Archer

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AndreaP should now be muted

13:00:37 [rreck]

zakim, who is on the phone

13:00:37 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', rreck

13:00:56 [PhilA2]

zakim, who is here?

13:00:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pchampin, +1.203.858.aaaa, ??P18, AndreaP (muted), DKA, +1.510.931.aabb, HarryH, Phil_Archer

13:00:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see DKA, mattroweshow, renato, RRSAgent, rreck, PhilA2, jsalvachua, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, AndreaP, FabGandon, Zakim, trackbot, Cloud, dom

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renato on irc only

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+??P28

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+jsalvachua

13:01:33 [bblfish]

hi

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zakim, ??P18 is me

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+rreck; got it

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+ +4222aacc

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Zakim, +4222aacc is me

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+mattroweshow; got it

13:03:08 [hhalpin]

Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.rdf

13:03:09 [Zakim]

working on it, hhalpin

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done reading agenda, hhalpin

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+ +46.1.08.01.aadd

13:04:20 [hhalpin]

Zakim, who's here?

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On the phone I see pchampin, +1.203.858.aaaa, rreck, AndreaP (muted), DKA, +1.510.931.aabb, HarryH, Phil_Archer, ??P28, jsalvachua, mattroweshow, +46.1.08.01.aadd

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On IRC I see hajons, bblfish, DKA, mattroweshow, renato, RRSAgent, rreck, PhilA2, jsalvachua, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, AndreaP, FabGandon, Zakim, trackbot, Cloud, dom

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Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-06-24T13:00-15:00Z

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zakim, call carine-617

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ok, caribou; the call is being made

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+Carine

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Zakim, pick a scribe?

13:05:24 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, hhalpin.

13:05:28 [hhalpin]

Zakim, pick a scribe

13:05:28 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jsalvachua

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Who volunteered for scribing?

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Scribe: Cloud

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Chair: hhalpin

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PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record

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scribenick cloud

13:06:15 [Cloud]

Minutes from the last meeting, chair asks if everyone happy

13:06:16 [jsalvachua]

+1

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+1

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+1

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+1 to PhilA's scribing.

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ACCEPTED approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record

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2. General Organization and Task Forces

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Invited speaker will join fairly shortly, go through some actions in the meantime

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There was a discussion about context, and also about the portability task

13:07:11 [Zakim]

+MIT531

13:07:22 [Cloud]

Joe Queen wrote a very nice scoping statement

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+ +1.510.472.aaee

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Have first portability task meeting after our July 1st meeting next week

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No comments on portability?

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hhalpin: Any comments from anyone on that?

13:07:54 [jsalvachua]

hope to have comments on the mail

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Zakim, aaee?? is kaliya

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sorry, hhalpin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee??'

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Zakim, aaee is kaliya

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+kaliya; got it

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+FabGandon

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hhalpin: Joe, are you happy to have that task force meeting after next week's one?

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Joe: Yes

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RESOLVED: Task force meeting next week after the regular telecon

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3. User Stories

13:09:34 [Cloud]

hhalpin: User stories; Tim can't make it; Harry asks if anyone would like to help Tim to turn the user stories into a more coherent document

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I helped out, and am interested

13:10:14 [Cloud]

... This tasks involves editing the W3C doc, going through stories on the wiki, seeing what overlaps, abstract functionality - need volunteers to help out - think on this please

13:10:23 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Deadline is end of the year

13:10:36 [FabGandon]

I can work on it during summer.

13:10:37 [Zakim]

+OpenLink_Software

13:10:40 [hhalpin]

Fabien?

13:10:42 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Good to have one person who did it before and one new person

13:10:53 [MacTed]

Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed

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+MacTed; got it

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Zakim, mute me

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MacTed should now be muted

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+??P36

13:11:03 [Cloud]

FabGandon: Can work on it during July

13:11:22 [hhalpin]

ACTION: hhalpin to create draft use-case document in W3C CVS

13:11:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-44 - Create draft use-case document in W3C CVS [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-07-01].

13:11:27 [hhalpin]

4. Context

13:11:42 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Moving on to context, big discussion that Harry missed due to timing errors - looking for summar

13:11:47 [PhilA2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0121.html

13:12:20 [Cloud]

Dan? Took a look at discussion that took place, and wrote an e-mail yesterday about it. Integrated comments that came back.

13:12:26 [Cloud]

... suggesting a charter for the task force

13:12:44 [Cloud]

... aims to create a vocabulary, looking at existing ones for the ubiquitous web

13:12:48 [rreck]

i agree look for existing vocabularies

13:12:54 [Cloud]

... very close link between context and privacy

13:13:20 [Cloud]

... should be link between task forces that look at privacy where privacy issues are due to when context is the cause

13:13:24 [bblfish]

sounds good. Starting with a vocab, would help find out what the whole thing covers

13:13:41 [PhilA2]

s/Dan/PhilA/

13:13:59 [Cloud]

hhalpin: DKA, you were talking about a geolocation API too, so may be related

13:14:43 [Cloud]

DKA: Ask Lars or Eric or some other chair to come and discuss issues with privacy in the Geolocation WG

13:14:50 [hhalpin]

ACTION: DKA to invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call

13:14:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-45 - Invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-07-01].

13:15:17 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Will this be part of the task force or the main concall?

13:15:26 [PhilA2]

s/hhalpin/PhilA/

13:15:26 [Cloud]

... want to have this discussion before August 7th

13:16:15 [hhalpin]

August 7th - Nathan Eagle.

13:17:00 [hhalpin]

5. Invited Guest Invitations

13:17:02 [PhilA2]

:-)

13:17:03 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Skip everything else and go to invited speaker

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C.

13:17:33 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Invited speaker is Kaliya Hamlin

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... aka IdentityWoman

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... http://www.identitywoman.net/

13:17:57 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION:Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP

13:18:03 [hajons]

http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

13:18:07 [caribou]

http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

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6. Creating User Stories on the Wiki

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: tpa to W3C-style "edit" user stories

13:20:05 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: tinkster to document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user story.

13:20:18 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri write up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue.

13:20:33 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: tinkster to document developer stories on wiki.

13:22:46 [hhalpin]

7. Social Network Matrix

13:22:53 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: hhalpin to retrieve top X social networking sites from the top 500 sites of Alexa

13:22:59 [hhalpin]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: cperey to make list of top 30 to do profiles on, to merge with hhalpin's list on alexa

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: karl to create the matrix to be filled

13:23:38 [Cloud]

kaliya: Hi everybody! Asks how many people here

13:23:42 [Cloud]

hhalpin: About 20 people

13:23:48 [rreck]

there are 22 people on irc

13:24:09 [hhalpin]

Kaliya is from Internet Identity Workshop

13:24:14 [Cloud]

kaliya: I sent you a lot of links, hope you read them, didn't send additional ones with history and context of the community

13:24:26 [hhalpin]

Which has been a quite important community and event in creating notions of digital identity, openID.

13:24:33 [Cloud]

kaliya: history is that Identity Commons came together to see how individuals could manage and control their own identities

13:24:44 [Cloud]

... so that they could own this layer of the web

13:24:56 [Cloud]

... Community formed in 2004/2005 was really focussed on user-centric identity

13:25:30 [Cloud]

... Harry asked me to talk about high level strategies, key terms are in the community lexicon which defines shared language (e.g. the word identity)

13:25:46 [Cloud]

... community stopped arguing about what identity meant, and focussed more on identifiers

13:26:14 [Cloud]

... and came to definitions of what claims where, in that they are really just attributes

13:26:45 [Cloud]

... claims can be made by yourself for yourself or by other entities (e.g. companies, non-profits) for other people

13:26:49 [hhalpin]

seems the important concepts so far: identifier (not necessarily a URI) and entity (anything that can make a statement about an identifier)

13:27:09 [Cloud]

... separation between authentication and authorisation, and enrolment

13:27:24 [pchampin]

entity ~ foaf:Agent? (just trying to align my own vocabulary...)

13:27:26 [bblfish]

I added the Social Web XG to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_web

13:27:30 [Cloud]

... In the same article about community, user-centric, company-centric and card?-centric

13:27:40 [bblfish]

also added foaf+ssl to http://wiki.idcommons.net/Identity_Landscape

13:27:42 [hhalpin]

user-centric/card-centric/organization-centric

13:27:47 [hhalpin]

Infocard

13:27:56 [Cloud]

... references informationcards.net

13:28:15 [mattroweshow]

http://informationcard.net/

13:28:28 [Cloud]

... Misunderstanding that the only org involved is Microsoft, but the open source grassroots community has embraced and extended it even further

13:28:55 [Cloud]

... That project is called the "Hidden Project"? Available on Adobe Air

13:29:07 [Cloud]

... Interesting journey to get to where we are today

13:29:08 [hhalpin]

Venn diagram: http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pd

13:29:11 [hhalpin]

http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pdf

13:29:38 [Cloud]

... All social networking platforms show up at their events; very market driven; "what are users tell us are what we will do"

13:29:40 [hhalpin]

Higgins Project

13:29:52 [Cloud]

... They are working really well together to support portability and open authentication

13:29:58 [hhalpin]

nn Diagram Identity

13:30:09 [hhalpin]

http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/

13:30:13 [Cloud]

... PortableContacts for standardising the info people have in their networks

13:30:33 [caribou]

contacts or context?

13:30:41 [bblfish]

q+

13:30:42 [Cloud]

kaliya: Ready to answer questions on what they've read and what they want to know about the community

13:31:04 [Cloud]

hhalpin: We haven't thought about the notion of identity so far

13:31:17 [Cloud]

... Haven't talked about Information Cards

13:31:30 [Cloud]

... Will be more asking for guidance about the identity landscape

13:31:36 [Cloud]

... User versus card versus organisation

13:31:53 [Cloud]

kaliya: that is an old model, but now we have gotten to the Venn of identity

13:32:13 [Cloud]

... evolution of our thinking is to help SWXG get to where they have gotten to, or at least to see how to get there

13:32:34 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Through the link out on IRC to the paper Harry has read and suggests other in SWXG do too

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13:32:55 [Cloud]

hhalpin: A lot of backgrounds in this group are from portability from Semantic Web and also mobile phones + social networking

13:33:02 [hhalpin]

ack

13:33:03 [caribou]

q+

13:33:06 [hhalpin]

Azakim, ack

13:33:08 [hhalpin]

Zakim, ack

13:33:08 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'ack', hhalpin

13:33:11 [hhalpin]

Zakim, q-

13:33:12 [Zakim]

I see bblfish, caribou on the speaker queue

13:33:22 [Cloud]

bblfish: Henry in a cafe

13:33:36 [Cloud]

... added to the identity landscape wiki about foaf+ssl work

13:33:42 [Cloud]

... using URIs for identity

13:33:49 [hhalpin]

ack bblfish

13:33:54 [Cloud]

... interesting to hear how that work can integrate more into the identity commons

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13:34:23 [Cloud]

kaliya: has heard about foaf - wants to bring more info about it to the Identity Commons community

13:34:35 [Cloud]

bblfish: Is it enough to add to the wiki?

13:34:53 [Cloud]

kaliya: Join the community list, 500-600 people, was the mailing list that got the community started

13:35:04 [hhalpin]

Do we have anyone on that identity commons mailing-list?

13:35:05 [Cloud]

... Say hey do you know about this, we're working on it, and get people to interact with you

13:35:10 [Cloud]

bblfish: Will try that

13:35:13 [hhalpin]

Perhaps we should get a liason?

13:35:38 [Cloud]

kaliya: More formal process

13:35:44 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Asks what this process is

13:36:56 [Cloud]

kaliya: Unique organisation as described in charter (non-proscriptive), have a monthly call

13:37:06 [hhalpin]

ack caribou

13:37:10 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Might discuss if we should have someone join from SWXG

13:37:47 [Cloud]

caribou: Do you have links to the ISO work on identity management

13:38:07 [Cloud]

kaliya: Haven't to her knowledge

13:38:17 [hajons]

+q

13:38:23 [hhalpin]

ack hajons

13:38:24 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Any more questions?

13:38:30 [caribou]

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27 WG5 working on an Identity Management framework

13:39:02 [hhalpin]

caribou - should we ask ISO to present on what they are up to?

13:39:31 [Cloud]

hajons: In telecommunications, have IMF - identity management - connect telecommunications network through the internet - has there been participation from IMF vendors etc.

13:40:10 [Cloud]

kaliya: Has been participation from European telecommunications vendors

13:40:14 [Cloud]

s/IMF/IMS

13:40:44 [Cloud]

kaliya: Our community is mainly made up of web portal folks and large enterprises

13:40:58 [Cloud]

kaliya: Y!, Google, MySpace, Facebook, Plaxo, etc.

13:41:01 [hhalpin]

q+

13:41:05 [hhalpin]

ack hhalpin

13:41:37 [renato]

notes that W3C PLING has a liaison under way with ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27 WG5

13:41:58 [Cloud]

hhalpin: One thing we're trying to do is something similar to IC - you pointed out abstract functionality, separations that came out of IC - authentication, authorisation, validation - where is this written up?

13:42:36 [Cloud]

kaliya: Article about cultivating community and shared language links to the lexicon; one of the first things they did

13:43:07 [DKA]

zakim, mute me

13:43:07 [Zakim]

DKA should now be muted

13:43:12 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Seems that what has happened in Internet Identity workshops is that you have technology that is filling these functionalities; in W3C groups, we are not sure how they all fit together

13:43:59 [Cloud]

... need details of how technology X with functionality Y and are thinking of a matrix that could be used in our final report to W3C

13:44:48 [hhalpin]

identifier: OpenID - an anchor

13:44:54 [Cloud]

kaliya: What are we managing? Step back and ask why are we managing for people. e.g. identifiers, openid gives people an anchor on the web

13:44:58 [hhalpin]

via their own domain name or an identity provider

13:45:02 [Cloud]

... either as their own domain name or a facebook url

13:45:15 [Cloud]

... another key thing that came out of the community was discovery

13:45:25 [Cloud]

... how do you find out what came out of the endpoint?

13:45:38 [Cloud]

... Does it point to where my photos, IMs, etc. area?

13:45:45 [Cloud]

s/area/are

13:45:59 [Cloud]

kaliya: Kind of spun out into it's own spec and part of XRI tech committee at OASIS

13:46:12 [Cloud]

... How can people link their different accounts together without giving away their passwords

13:46:18 [hhalpin]

kaliya: XRD = discovery, what does an endpoint do, take a phone call, etc.

13:46:19 [Cloud]

... Data portability / user control ideas

13:46:33 [Zakim]

-Phil_Archer

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13:46:54 [Cloud]

... Hand me a card that allows some claims to be made

13:47:01 [Cloud]

... Different from the physical version

13:47:17 [Cloud]

... In real world, they don't take a photocopy of your driver's license

13:47:24 [Cloud]

... In digital world, just want to share some info

13:47:38 [Cloud]

... It's enough to know age, not eye colour - selective disclosure

13:47:53 [Cloud]

... MS bough Qidentica who does this selective disclosure

13:48:35 [Cloud]

... Another wing of community is focussed on how individuals could have tools that help them manage relationships with companies they do business with (productCRM)

13:48:53 [mattroweshow]

http://projectvrm.net/

13:49:05 [Cloud]

... Midack? in the UK and lots of activity in London around VRM hub

13:49:24 [Cloud]

... Identities never happen in isolation - in context of a group or entity or other individuals

13:49:40 [hhalpin]

blackley relationship paper

13:49:43 [Cloud]

... Great paper by Bob Blakley

13:49:49 [Cloud]

... relationship paper

13:50:02 [Cloud]

http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2009/02/relationship-paper-now-freely-available.html

13:50:24 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Great pointers and info

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13:50:48 [Cloud]

... after telecon we will go through these notes and try to extract general points

13:51:05 [Cloud]

... Idea of invited speakers makes more and more cross-community conversations

13:51:23 [Cloud]

... Internet Identity Workshop is happening in November in California at around the same time as the W3C meeting

13:51:38 [Cloud]

... Asks Kaliya for format of the IIW

13:51:42 [hajons]

+1 IIW

13:51:43 [bblfish]

sounds good.

13:51:44 [Cloud]

... and asks if anyone is planning to go

13:51:46 [jsalvachua]

+1

13:51:52 [DKA]

+0.5

13:52:00 [Cloud]

http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/

13:52:09 [Cloud]

kaliya: Twice a year

13:52:21 [Cloud]

... Same place

13:52:29 [Cloud]

... Where all the big Social Web companies are

13:52:36 [Cloud]

... in Silicon valley

13:52:45 [Cloud]

... Don't have an agenda ahead of time, bring communities together

13:53:07 [Cloud]

... In the morning after an intro section, community makes the agenda

13:53:11 [bblfish]

I think I went there a year ago

13:53:30 [Cloud]

... Different technical activities are happening and they want to cover it F2F during the meeting

13:53:41 [Cloud]

... So unlike conferences where real work happens in the hallways

13:53:46 [Cloud]

... Super productive!

13:53:56 [Cloud]

... Also reduces a lot of the politics, no committee deciding who gets to speak

13:54:11 [Cloud]

... November 3-5 http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/

13:54:12 [hhalpin]

Nov 3-5th.

13:54:36 [Cloud]

... have discussed having it all week with different industry areas - not fully decided

13:54:55 [bblfish]

Oh yes, I did go there last year http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/3_weeks_of_conferences_and

13:54:55 [Cloud]

TPAC = http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html

13:55:13 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Asks it it's okay to come for 1-2 days

13:55:15 [Cloud]

kaliya: Yes

13:55:43 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Will have a few people there financial cuts permitting

13:55:58 [Cloud]

hhalpin: What would you see is the best way for us to continue future interactions apart from joining mailing list

13:56:12 [Cloud]

... Who would Kaliya suggest we talk to next - e.g. Higgins project

13:56:57 [Cloud]

... What could W3C do? Report about Social Web in general, but a lot of work is happening not with W3C partially because of structural issues with W3C - IRC is viewed as a pain, membership fees are really high

13:57:07 [Zakim]

-mattroweshow

13:58:09 [Cloud]

kaliya: Sense in Silicon valley that market adoption is what a standard is, so don't care as much about standards organisations

13:58:40 [Cloud]

kaliya: Community around Open Web Foundation interesting (Messina, Smarr); community around OpenSocial is interesting (KevinMarks et al.)

13:58:55 [Cloud]

... Chris Messina is working on distributed social networking (DiSo)

13:59:13 [Cloud]

... Mentions some names from Higgins Project, missed who as audio not great

14:00:04 [Cloud]

hhalpin: As an XG, main task is to write a report. One year to do so (or 3/4 at this point). To bootstrap, when we have invited speakers, someone will clean up the minutes to summarise it for the report

14:00:18 [Cloud]

... Just so we don't lose track of everything that's happened

14:00:51 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Throw minutes by kaliya for review

14:01:06 [Cloud]

kaliya: Is on list

14:01:30 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Asks for volunteers to edit minutes

14:01:41 [bblfish]

mhh

14:01:50 [bblfish]

we could do it

14:02:12 [hajons]

one definition of identity was mentioned as being particularly good, but I couldn't quite hear what it was called (venner??), and didn't see it in the script either. What was it?

14:02:16 [Cloud]

kaliya: one of the challenges is that there is so much stuff happening in community and quite broad so hard to summarise it

14:02:35 [bblfish]

ok

14:02:44 [bblfish]

mhh

14:02:45 [bblfish]

ok

14:02:47 [bblfish]

yes.

14:02:50 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Henry to do first draft, Harry to go over it, and then send to Kaliya

14:02:50 [jsalvachua]

have to go sorry, a lot of information to digest :) thanks.

14:02:52 [bblfish]

Good reading

14:03:02 [Zakim]

-jsalvachua

14:03:20 [Cloud]

bblfish: Was at IIW a year ago, gave a talk about FOAF+SSL at Mountain View

14:03:32 [hhalpin]

ACTION: bblfish and hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report

14:03:32 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-46 - And hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report [on Henry Story - due 2009-07-01].

14:04:19 [hhalpin]

community@lists.idcommons.net

14:04:22 [bblfish]

community@list.idcommons.net

14:04:24 [Cloud]

kaliya: community@lists.idcommons.net

14:04:30 [hhalpin]

lots of activity on OASIS and concordia lists

14:04:32 [Zakim]

+ +04610801aaff

14:04:34 [Cloud]

... there is also an interop list

14:05:11 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Kaliya to send links to listserv, at next meeting can go over the principles

14:05:26 [DKA]

I must leave the call -- thanks very much to our guest speaker for great info though! (And thanks for waking up so early!)

14:05:32 [DKA]

ack me

14:05:34 [Cloud]

... any final questions, now over 1 hour

14:05:46 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Thanks the invited speaker

14:05:54 [rreck]

thanks

14:05:59 [hhalpin]

thanks!

14:06:01 [hajons]

thanks

14:06:06 [pchampin]

thanks

14:06:13 [bblfish]

thanks :-)

14:06:37 [hhalpin]

Meeting Adjourned

14:06:44 [Zakim]

-DKA

14:06:45 [Zakim]

-kaliya

14:07:01 [rreck]

very informative kaliya

14:07:26 [Zakim]

- +1.510.931.aabb

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- +1.203.858.aaaa

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-FabGandon

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-??P28

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-HarryH

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-rreck

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-oshani

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-MacTed

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- +46.1.08.01.aadd

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-??P36

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-AndreaP

14:08:23 [Zakim]

- +04610801aaff

14:08:31 [hhalpin]

RSSAgent, generate minutes

14:08:36 [hhalpin]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

14:08:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin

14:08:52 [hhalpin]

Cloud - are you OK cleaning those up and mailing them to the list-serv?

14:10:23 [Cloud]

hhalpin: Do I just edit the text and send it in the message body?

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14:12:08 [hhalpin]

Cloud: ah, do you not have CVS access

14:12:23 [hhalpin]

Cloud: If you don't, then I can clean them up probably quicker in CVS.

14:12:35 [Cloud]

Okay thanks

14:13:19 [hhalpin]

Cloud: So don't worry about it.

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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-pchampin

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Attendees were pchampin, +1.203.858.aaaa, AndreaP, DKA, +1.510.931.aabb, HarryH, Phil_Archer, jsalvachua, rreck, mattroweshow, +46.1.08.01.aadd, Carine, oshani, +1.510.472.aaee,

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