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12:59:34 <AndreaP> zakim, ??P20 is me
12:59:34 <Zakim> +AndreaP; got it
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13:00:06 <rreck> zakim, who's on the phone
13:00:07 <AndreaP> zakim, unmute me
13:00:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', rreck
13:00:13 <mib_b1a6jx0a> \nick mattroweshow
13:00:14 <Zakim> AndreaP should no longer be muted
13:00:20 <hhalpin> Zakim, ??P24 is HarryH
13:00:20 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
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13:00:27 <Zakim> AndreaP should now be muted
13:00:37 <rreck> zakim, who is on the phone
13:00:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', rreck
13:00:56 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
13:00:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, +1.203.858.aaaa, ??P18, AndreaP (muted), DKA, +1.510.931.aabb, HarryH, Phil_Archer
13:00:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see DKA, mattroweshow, renato, RRSAgent, rreck, PhilA2, jsalvachua, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, AndreaP, FabGandon, Zakim, trackbot, Cloud, dom
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13:01:33 <bblfish> hi
13:01:43 <rreck> zakim, ??P18 is me
13:01:44 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
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13:02:23 <Zakim> +mattroweshow; got it
13:03:08 <hhalpin> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.rdf
13:03:09 <Zakim> working on it, hhalpin
13:03:10 <Zakim> done reading agenda, hhalpin
13:03:41 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aadd
13:04:20 <hhalpin> Zakim, who's here?
13:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, +1.203.858.aaaa, rreck, AndreaP (muted), DKA, +1.510.931.aabb, HarryH, Phil_Archer, ??P28, jsalvachua, mattroweshow, +46.1.08.01.aadd
13:04:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see hajons, bblfish, DKA, mattroweshow, renato, RRSAgent, rreck, PhilA2, jsalvachua, mischat, hhalpin, melvster, AndreaP, FabGandon, Zakim, trackbot, Cloud, dom
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13:04:58 <hhalpin> Convene SWXG WG  meeting of 2009-06-24T13:00-15:00Z 
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13:05:21 <caribou> zakim, call carine-617
13:05:21 <Zakim> ok, caribou; the call is being made
13:05:23 <Zakim> +Carine
13:05:24 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe?
13:05:24 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hhalpin.
13:05:28 <hhalpin> Zakim, pick a scribe
13:05:28 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jsalvachua
13:05:41 <hhalpin> Who volunteered for scribing?
13:05:47 <hhalpin> Scribe: Cloud
13:05:56 <hhalpin> Chair: hhalpin
13:06:05 <hhalpin> PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record
13:06:14 <hhalpin> scribenick cloud
13:06:15 <Cloud> Minutes from the last meeting, chair asks if everyone happy
13:06:16 <jsalvachua> +1
13:06:18 <hajons> +1
13:06:19 <AndreaP> +1
13:06:30 <DKA> +1 to PhilA's scribing.
13:06:31 <hhalpin> ACCEPTED approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 17 June 2009 as a true record
13:06:51 <hhalpin> 2. General Organization and Task Forces
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13:06:55 <Cloud> Invited speaker will join fairly shortly, go through some actions in the meantime
13:07:08 <Cloud> There was a discussion about context, and also about the portability task
13:07:11 <Zakim> +MIT531
13:07:22 <Cloud> Joe Queen wrote a very nice scoping statement
13:07:31 <Zakim> + +1.510.472.aaee
13:07:32 <Cloud> Have first portability task meeting after our July 1st meeting next week
13:07:41 <hhalpin> No comments on portability?
13:07:45 <Cloud> hhalpin: Any comments from anyone on that?
13:07:54 <jsalvachua> hope to have comments on the mail 
13:08:18 <hhalpin> Zakim, aaee?? is kaliya
13:08:18 <Zakim> sorry, hhalpin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee??'
13:08:23 <hhalpin> Zakim, aaee is kaliya
13:08:23 <Zakim> +kaliya; got it
13:08:26 <Zakim> +FabGandon
13:08:52 <Cloud> hhalpin: Joe, are you happy to have that task force meeting after next week's one?
13:08:55 <Cloud> Joe: Yes
13:08:59 <hhalpin> RESOLVED: Task force meeting next week after the regular telecon
13:09:13 <hhalpin> 3. User Stories
13:09:34 <Cloud> hhalpin: User stories; Tim can't make it; Harry asks if anyone would like to help Tim to turn the user stories into a more coherent document
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13:10:08 <bblfish> I helped out, and am interested
13:10:14 <Cloud> ... This tasks involves editing the W3C doc, going through stories on the wiki, seeing what overlaps, abstract functionality - need volunteers to help out - think on this please
13:10:23 <Cloud> hhalpin: Deadline is end of the year
13:10:36 <FabGandon> I can work on it during summer.
13:10:37 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
13:10:40 <hhalpin> Fabien?
13:10:42 <Cloud> hhalpin: Good to have one person who did it before and one new person
13:10:53 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed
13:10:53 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
13:11:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
13:11:01 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
13:11:02 <Zakim> +??P36
13:11:03 <Cloud> FabGandon: Can work on it during July
13:11:22 <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to create draft use-case document in W3C CVS
13:11:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Create draft use-case document in W3C CVS [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-07-01].
13:11:27 <hhalpin> 4. Context
13:11:42 <Cloud> hhalpin: Moving on to context, big discussion that Harry missed due to timing errors - looking for summar
13:11:47 <PhilA2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0121.html
13:12:20 <Cloud> Dan? Took a look at discussion that took place, and wrote an e-mail yesterday about it.  Integrated comments that came back.
13:12:26 <Cloud> ... suggesting a charter for the task force
13:12:44 <Cloud> ... aims to create a vocabulary, looking at existing ones for the ubiquitous web
13:12:48 <rreck> i agree look for existing vocabularies
13:12:54 <Cloud> ... very close link between context and privacy
13:13:20 <Cloud> ... should be link between task forces that look at privacy where privacy issues are due to when context is the cause
13:13:24 <bblfish> sounds good. Starting with a vocab, would help find out what the whole thing covers
13:13:41 <PhilA2> s/Dan/PhilA/
13:13:59 <Cloud> hhalpin: DKA, you were talking about a geolocation API too, so may be related
13:14:43 <Cloud> DKA: Ask Lars or Eric or some other chair to come and discuss issues with privacy in the Geolocation WG
13:14:50 <hhalpin> ACTION: DKA to invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call
13:14:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Invite Dan to W3C Social Web XG for context comm call [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-07-01].
13:15:17 <Cloud> hhalpin: Will this be part of the task force or the main concall?
13:15:26 <PhilA2> s/hhalpin/PhilA/
13:15:26 <Cloud> ... want to have this discussion before August 7th
13:16:15 <hhalpin> August 7th - Nathan Eagle.
13:17:00 <hhalpin> 5. Invited Guest Invitations
13:17:02 <PhilA2> :-)
13:17:03 <Cloud> hhalpin: Skip everything else and go to invited speaker
13:17:08 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets
13:17:15 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C.
13:17:33 <Cloud> hhalpin: Invited speaker is Kaliya Hamlin
13:17:36 <Cloud> ... aka IdentityWoman
13:17:50 <Cloud> ... http://www.identitywoman.net/
13:17:57 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION:Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP
13:18:03 <hajons> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
13:18:07 <caribou> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
13:19:46 <hhalpin> 6. Creating User Stories on the Wiki
13:19:54 <hhalpin>  [CONTINUES] ACTION: tpa to W3C-style "edit" user stories
13:20:05 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION: tinkster to document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user story.
13:20:18 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri write up orkut/i18n/"looking for" issue.
13:20:33 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION:  tinkster to document developer stories on wiki.
13:22:46 <hhalpin> 7. Social Network Matrix
13:22:53 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION: hhalpin to retrieve top X social networking sites from the top 500 sites of Alexa
13:22:59 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION:  cperey to make list of top 30 to do profiles on, to merge with hhalpin's list on alexa
13:23:08 <hhalpin> [CONTINUES] ACTION:  karl to create the matrix to be filled
13:23:38 <Cloud> kaliya: Hi everybody!  Asks how many people here
13:23:42 <Cloud> hhalpin: About 20 people
13:23:48 <rreck> there are 22 people on irc
13:24:09 <hhalpin> Kaliya is from Internet Identity Workshop
13:24:14 <Cloud> kaliya: I sent you a lot of links, hope you read them, didn't send additional ones with history and context of the community
13:24:26 <hhalpin> Which has been a quite important community and event in creating notions of digital identity, openID.
13:24:33 <Cloud> kaliya: history is that Identity Commons came together to see how individuals could manage and control their own identities
13:24:44 <Cloud> ... so that they could own this layer of the web
13:24:56 <Cloud> ... Community formed in 2004/2005 was really focussed on user-centric identity
13:25:30 <Cloud> ... Harry asked me to talk about high level strategies, key terms are in the community lexicon which defines shared language (e.g. the word identity)
13:25:46 <Cloud> ... community stopped arguing about what identity meant, and focussed more on identifiers
13:26:14 <Cloud> ... and came to definitions of what claims where, in that they are really just attributes
13:26:45 <Cloud> ... claims can be made by yourself for yourself or by other entities (e.g. companies, non-profits) for other people
13:26:49 <hhalpin> seems the important concepts so far: identifier (not necessarily a URI) and entity (anything that can make a statement about an identifier)
13:27:09 <Cloud> ... separation between authentication and authorisation, and enrolment
13:27:24 <pchampin> entity ~ foaf:Agent? (just trying to align my own vocabulary...)
13:27:26 <bblfish> I added the Social Web XG to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_web
13:27:30 <Cloud> ... In the same article about community, user-centric, company-centric and card?-centric
13:27:40 <bblfish> also added foaf+ssl to http://wiki.idcommons.net/Identity_Landscape
13:27:42 <hhalpin> user-centric/card-centric/organization-centric
13:27:47 <hhalpin> Infocard
13:27:56 <Cloud> ... references informationcards.net
13:28:15 <mattroweshow>  http://informationcard.net/
13:28:28 <Cloud> ... Misunderstanding that the only org involved is Microsoft, but the open source grassroots community has embraced and extended it even further
13:28:55 <Cloud> ... That project is called the "Hidden Project"?  Available on Adobe Air
13:29:07 <Cloud> ... Interesting journey to get to where we are today
13:29:08 <hhalpin> Venn diagram: http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pd
13:29:11 <hhalpin> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/publications/IEEESecPriv-MarApr2008-MalerReed-Venn.pdf
13:29:38 <Cloud> ... All social networking platforms show up at their events; very market driven; "what are users tell us are what we will do"
13:29:40 <hhalpin> Higgins Project
13:29:52 <Cloud> ... They are working really well together to support portability and open authentication
13:29:58 <hhalpin> nn Diagram Identity
13:30:09 <hhalpin> http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/
13:30:13 <Cloud> ... PortableContacts for standardising the info people have in their networks
13:30:33 <caribou> contacts or context?
13:30:41 <bblfish> q+
13:30:42 <Cloud> kaliya: Ready to answer questions on what they've read and what they want to know about the community
13:31:04 <Cloud> hhalpin: We haven't thought about the notion of identity so far
13:31:17 <Cloud> ... Haven't talked about Information Cards
13:31:30 <Cloud> ... Will be more asking for guidance about the identity landscape
13:31:36 <Cloud> ... User versus card versus organisation
13:31:53 <Cloud> kaliya: that is an old model, but now we have gotten to the Venn of identity
13:32:13 <Cloud> ... evolution of our thinking is to help SWXG get to where they have gotten to, or at least to see how to get there
13:32:34 <Cloud> hhalpin: Through the link out on IRC to the paper Harry has read and suggests other in SWXG do too
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13:32:55 <Cloud> hhalpin: A lot of backgrounds in this group are from portability from Semantic Web and also mobile phones + social networking
13:33:02 <hhalpin> ack
13:33:03 <caribou> q+
13:33:06 <hhalpin> Azakim, ack
13:33:08 <hhalpin> Zakim, ack
13:33:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ack', hhalpin
13:33:11 <hhalpin> Zakim, q-
13:33:12 <Zakim> I see bblfish, caribou on the speaker queue
13:33:22 <Cloud> bblfish: Henry in a cafe
13:33:36 <Cloud> ... added to the identity landscape wiki about foaf+ssl work
13:33:42 <Cloud> ... using URIs for identity
13:33:49 <hhalpin> ack bblfish
13:33:54 <Cloud> ... interesting to hear how that work can integrate more into the identity commons
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13:34:23 <Cloud> kaliya: has heard about foaf - wants to bring more info about it to the Identity Commons community
13:34:35 <Cloud> bblfish: Is it enough to add to the wiki? 
13:34:53 <Cloud> kaliya: Join the community list, 500-600 people, was the mailing list that got the community started
13:35:04 <hhalpin> Do we have anyone on that identity commons mailing-list?
13:35:05 <Cloud> ... Say hey do you know about this, we're working on it, and get people to interact with you
13:35:10 <Cloud> bblfish: Will try that
13:35:13 <hhalpin> Perhaps we should get a liason?
13:35:38 <Cloud> kaliya: More formal process
13:35:44 <Cloud> hhalpin: Asks what this process is
13:36:56 <Cloud> kaliya: Unique organisation as described in charter (non-proscriptive), have a monthly call
13:37:06 <hhalpin> ack caribou
13:37:10 <Cloud> hhalpin: Might discuss if we should have someone join from SWXG
13:37:47 <Cloud> caribou: Do you have links to the ISO work on identity management
13:38:07 <Cloud> kaliya: Haven't to her knowledge
13:38:17 <hajons> +q
13:38:23 <hhalpin> ack hajons
13:38:24 <Cloud> hhalpin: Any more questions?
13:38:30 <caribou> ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27 WG5 working on an Identity Management framework
13:39:02 <hhalpin> caribou - should we ask ISO to present on what they are up to?
13:39:31 <Cloud> hajons: In telecommunications, have IMF - identity management - connect telecommunications network through the internet - has there been participation from IMF vendors etc.
13:40:10 <Cloud> kaliya: Has been participation from European telecommunications vendors
13:40:14 <Cloud> s/IMF/IMS
13:40:44 <Cloud> kaliya: Our community is mainly made up of web portal folks and large enterprises
13:40:58 <Cloud> kaliya: Y!, Google, MySpace, Facebook, Plaxo, etc.
13:41:01 <hhalpin> q+
13:41:05 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
13:41:37 <renato> notes that W3C PLING has a liaison under way with ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 27 WG5
13:41:58 <Cloud> hhalpin: One thing we're trying to do is something similar to IC - you pointed out abstract functionality, separations that came out of IC - authentication, authorisation, validation - where is this written up?
13:42:36 <Cloud> kaliya: Article about cultivating community and shared language links to the lexicon; one of the first things they did
13:43:07 <DKA> zakim, mute me
13:43:07 <Zakim> DKA should now be muted
13:43:12 <Cloud> hhalpin: Seems that what has happened in Internet Identity workshops is that you have technology that is filling these functionalities; in W3C groups, we are not sure how they all fit together
13:43:59 <Cloud> ... need details of how technology X with functionality Y and are thinking of a matrix that could be used in our final report to W3C
13:44:48 <hhalpin> identifier: OpenID - an anchor
13:44:54 <Cloud> kaliya: What are we managing?  Step back and ask why are we managing for people.  e.g. identifiers, openid gives people an anchor on the web
13:44:58 <hhalpin> via their own domain name or an identity provider
13:45:02 <Cloud> ... either as their own domain name or a facebook url
13:45:15 <Cloud> ... another key thing that came out of the community was discovery
13:45:25 <Cloud> ... how do you find out what came out of the endpoint?
13:45:38 <Cloud> ... Does it point to where my photos, IMs, etc. area?
13:45:45 <Cloud> s/area/are
13:45:59 <Cloud> kaliya: Kind of spun out into it's own spec and part of XRI tech committee at OASIS
13:46:12 <Cloud> ... How can people link their different accounts together without giving away their passwords
13:46:18 <hhalpin> kaliya: XRD = discovery, what does an endpoint do, take a phone call, etc.
13:46:19 <Cloud> ... Data portability / user control ideas
13:46:33 <Zakim> -Phil_Archer
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13:46:54 <Cloud> ... Hand me a card that allows some claims to be made
13:47:01 <Cloud> ... Different from the physical version
13:47:17 <Cloud> ... In real world, they don't take a photocopy of your driver's license
13:47:24 <Cloud> ... In digital world, just want to share some info
13:47:38 <Cloud> ... It's enough to know age, not eye colour - selective disclosure
13:47:53 <Cloud> ... MS bough Qidentica who does this selective disclosure
13:48:35 <Cloud> ... Another wing of community is focussed on how individuals could have tools that help them manage relationships with companies they do business with (productCRM)
13:48:53 <mattroweshow> http://projectvrm.net/
13:49:05 <Cloud> ... Midack? in the UK and lots of activity in London around VRM hub
13:49:24 <Cloud> ... Identities never happen in isolation - in context of a group or entity or other individuals
13:49:40 <hhalpin> blackley relationship paper
13:49:43 <Cloud> ... Great paper by Bob Blakley
13:49:49 <Cloud> ... relationship paper
13:50:02 <Cloud> http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2009/02/relationship-paper-now-freely-available.html
13:50:24 <Cloud> hhalpin: Great pointers and info
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13:50:48 <Cloud> ... after telecon we will go through these notes and try to extract general points
13:51:05 <Cloud> ... Idea of invited speakers makes more and more cross-community conversations
13:51:23 <Cloud> ... Internet Identity Workshop is happening in November in California at around the same time as the W3C meeting
13:51:38 <Cloud> ... Asks Kaliya for format of the IIW
13:51:42 <hajons> +1 IIW
13:51:43 <bblfish> sounds good.
13:51:44 <Cloud> ... and asks if anyone is planning to go
13:51:46 <jsalvachua> +1
13:51:52 <DKA> +0.5
13:52:00 <Cloud> http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
13:52:09 <Cloud> kaliya: Twice a year
13:52:21 <Cloud> ... Same place
13:52:29 <Cloud> ... Where all the big Social Web companies are
13:52:36 <Cloud> ... in Silicon valley
13:52:45 <Cloud> ... Don't have an agenda ahead of time, bring communities together
13:53:07 <Cloud> ... In the morning after an intro section, community makes the agenda
13:53:11 <bblfish> I think I went there a year ago
13:53:30 <Cloud> ... Different technical activities are happening and they want to cover it F2F during the meeting
13:53:41 <Cloud> ... So unlike conferences where real work happens in the hallways
13:53:46 <Cloud> ... Super productive!
13:53:56 <Cloud> ... Also reduces a lot of the politics, no committee deciding who gets to speak
13:54:11 <Cloud> ... November 3-5 http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
13:54:12 <hhalpin> Nov 3-5th.
13:54:36 <Cloud> ... have discussed having it all week with different industry areas - not fully decided
13:54:55 <bblfish> Oh yes, I did go there last year http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/3_weeks_of_conferences_and
13:54:55 <Cloud> TPAC = http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html
13:55:13 <Cloud> hhalpin: Asks it it's okay to come for 1-2 days
13:55:15 <Cloud> kaliya: Yes
13:55:43 <Cloud> hhalpin: Will have a few people there financial cuts permitting
13:55:58 <Cloud> hhalpin: What would you see is the best way for us to continue future interactions apart from joining mailing list
13:56:12 <Cloud> ... Who would Kaliya suggest we talk to next - e.g. Higgins project
13:56:57 <Cloud> ... What could W3C do?  Report about Social Web in general, but a lot of work is happening not with W3C partially because of structural issues with W3C - IRC is viewed as a pain, membership fees are really high
13:57:07 <Zakim> -mattroweshow
13:58:09 <Cloud> kaliya: Sense in Silicon valley that market adoption is what a standard is, so don't care as much about standards organisations
13:58:40 <Cloud> kaliya: Community around Open Web Foundation interesting (Messina, Smarr); community around OpenSocial is interesting (KevinMarks et al.)
13:58:55 <Cloud> ... Chris Messina is working on distributed social networking (DiSo)
13:59:13 <Cloud> ... Mentions some names from Higgins Project, missed who as audio not great
14:00:04 <Cloud> hhalpin: As an XG, main task is to write a report.  One year to do so (or 3/4 at this point).  To bootstrap, when we have invited speakers, someone will clean up the minutes to summarise it for the report
14:00:18 <Cloud> ... Just so we don't lose track of everything that's happened
14:00:51 <Cloud> hhalpin: Throw minutes by kaliya for review
14:01:06 <Cloud> kaliya: Is on list
14:01:30 <Cloud> hhalpin: Asks for volunteers to edit minutes
14:01:41 <bblfish> mhh
14:01:50 <bblfish> we could do it
14:02:12 <hajons> one definition of identity was mentioned as being particularly good, but I couldn't quite hear what it was called (venner??), and didn't see it in the script either. What was it?
14:02:16 <Cloud> kaliya: one of the challenges is that there is so much stuff happening in community and quite broad so hard to summarise it
14:02:35 <bblfish> ok
14:02:44 <bblfish> mhh
14:02:45 <bblfish> ok
14:02:47 <bblfish> yes.
14:02:50 <Cloud> hhalpin: Henry to do first draft, Harry to go over it, and then send to Kaliya
14:02:50 <jsalvachua> have to go sorry, a lot of information to digest :) thanks.
14:02:52 <bblfish> Good reading 
14:03:02 <Zakim> -jsalvachua
14:03:20 <Cloud> bblfish: Was at IIW a year ago, gave a talk about FOAF+SSL at Mountain View
14:03:32 <hhalpin> ACTION: bblfish and hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report
14:03:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - And hhalpin to write up kaliya's talk for future report [on Henry Story - due 2009-07-01].
14:04:19 <hhalpin> community@lists.idcommons.net
14:04:22 <bblfish> community@list.idcommons.net
14:04:24 <Cloud> kaliya: community@lists.idcommons.net
14:04:30 <hhalpin> lots of activity on OASIS and concordia lists
14:04:32 <Zakim> + +04610801aaff
14:04:34 <Cloud> ... there is also an interop list
14:05:11 <Cloud> hhalpin: Kaliya to send links to listserv, at next meeting can go over the principles
14:05:26 <DKA> I must leave the call -- thanks very much to our guest speaker for great info though!  (And thanks for waking up so early!)
14:05:32 <DKA> ack me
14:05:34 <Cloud> ... any final questions, now over 1 hour
14:05:46 <Cloud> hhalpin: Thanks the invited speaker
14:05:54 <rreck> thanks 
14:05:59 <hhalpin> thanks!
14:06:01 <hajons> thanks
14:06:06 <pchampin> thanks
14:06:13 <bblfish> thanks :-)
14:06:37 <hhalpin> Meeting Adjourned 
14:06:44 <Zakim> -DKA
14:06:45 <Zakim> -kaliya
14:07:01 <rreck> very informative kaliya
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14:08:31 <hhalpin> RSSAgent, generate minutes
14:08:36 <hhalpin> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:08:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin
14:08:52 <hhalpin> Cloud - are you OK cleaning those up and mailing them to the list-serv?
14:10:23 <Cloud> hhalpin: Do I just edit the text and send it in the message body?
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14:12:08 <hhalpin> Cloud: ah, do you not have CVS access
14:12:23 <hhalpin> Cloud: If you don't, then I can clean them up probably quicker in CVS.
14:12:35 <Cloud> Okay thanks
14:13:19 <hhalpin> Cloud: So don't worry about it. 
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