15:55:57 RRSAgent has joined #CSS 15:55:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-CSS-irc 15:56:03 Zakim, this will be Style 15:56:03 ok, glazou, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started 15:56:20 welcome oyvinds 15:57:04 thanks 15:57:17 cesar_acebal has joined #css 15:58:04 sgalineau has joined #css 15:58:25 roligt att se att folk kan ite säga "Øy" 15:58:34 s/ite/inte 15:58:37 hola cesar_acebal 15:58:53 Zakim, who is here? 15:58:53 On the phone I see +95089aaaa 15:58:54 On IRC I see sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, MikeSmith, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim 15:59:04 Zakim, +95089aaaa is me 15:59:04 +glazou; got it 15:59:04 MikeSmith has left #css 15:59:20 +[Microsoft] 15:59:33 Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing 15:59:33 +sylvaing; got it 16:00:24 arronei has joined #CSS 16:01:07 +??P4 16:01:16 Zakim, ??P4 is fantasai 16:01:16 +fantasai; got it 16:04:08 + +34.60.940.aabb 16:05:26 Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is CesarAcebal 16:05:28 +CesarAcebal; got it 16:08:07 Zakim, who is here 16:08:07 fantasai, you need to end that query with '?' 16:08:10 Zakim, who is here? 16:08:10 On the phone I see glazou, [Microsoft], fantasai, CesarAcebal 16:08:11 [Microsoft] has sylvaing 16:08:14 On IRC I see arronei, sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim 16:09:25 fantasai, while I'm still here, page-break would become sugar for break, not the other way around 16:09:37 ok 16:11:09 hi annevk 16:13:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html 16:13:52 ScribeNick: fantasai 16:14:01 We do not have enough people for full discussion. 16:14:16 Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 61 16:14:19 http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-61 16:14:38 Sylvain: Has to do with defining percentage heights for internal table elements. 16:14:46 Sylvain: Spec says it should compute to 'auto' 16:14:52 Sylvain: but in practice this is not what happens. 16:14:59 Sylvain: Everybody does something different 16:15:13 Sylvain: One thing to do is make it undefined 16:15:27 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html 16:15:44 Glazou: browser vendors very unlikely to change things wrt percentage heights anytime soon 16:16:05 Sylvain: They might do it before 2.1, but it would take a long time to develop and agree on an algorithm 16:16:18 Glazou: It's a can of worms, it would take ages to specify everything. We don't have time 16:16:51 Sylvain and glazou would like to define this, but must be pragmatic for CSS2.1 16:17:03 oyvinds, annevk : opinion ? 16:17:10 can you join the call BTW ? 16:17:52 RESOLVED: proposal accepted for css2.1 issue 61 16:18:57 I defer to my senior colleagues 16:19:08 but your senior colleagues are not here 16:19:33 +[Mozilla] 16:19:48 counting annevk as one in terms of specs experience 16:20:19 glazou summarizes the call so far for dbaron 16:20:35 dbaron agrees with resolution 16:20:39 dbaron has joined #css 16:21:26 Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron 16:21:26 +dbaron; got it 16:21:34 http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-115 16:23:59 http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/ 16:25:21 Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei 16:25:21 +arronei; got it 16:25:35 fantasai summarizes what's in the css3-images draft 16:26:58 example of image(): background-image: image(wavy.svg, 'wavy.png' 150dpi, "wavy.gif" or blue); 16:28:12 using 'or' instead of comma for the color b/c draft currently allows unquoted URLs (that don't contain problematic chars) 16:28:33 Sprites section unwritten 16:28:39 link to discussions 16:29:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jan/0284.html 16:32:04 Resolution units -- 16:33:20 introduce dppx 16:34:34 ACTION fantasai: add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue) 16:34:34 Created ACTION-159 - Add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue) [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01]. 16:35:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html explains why media fragments wg's work is important to css (very good explanation) 16:36:31 glazou: sprite proposal from Jorrit is something in between constants and variables and images 16:36:53 glazou: if we come up with a good solution for this section, the media fragment wg's work will be less critical 16:37:28 fantasai: dppx allows us to give 1dppx as default value for image-resolution property, leaving 'auto' to be used for 'do the right thing and use the image's resolution' 16:37:49 glazou: publish as FPWD? 16:37:58 dbaron: Would like Daniel's suggested example of fallback color with bgcolor 16:38:01 (1) Daniel's comment about fallback color interacting with 'background-color' 16:38:13 (2) having a bit of an introduction to the "Image Sprites" section 16:38:25 to explain how it's different from slices 16:38:53 ACTION fantasai: add intro to sprites section 16:38:53 Created ACTION-160 - Add intro to sprites section [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01]. 16:39:42 dbaron: for issues in transitions, I still have more comments 16:40:13 dbaron: I'm generally picking whatever is easiest for me as an implementor, worry about matching the spec later 16:40:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0055.html 16:40:22 dbaron: when there's someone to discuss the spec with 16:40:40 dbaron: There are a whole bunch of archived comments once ss3-lists more substantive than that 16:40:50 dbaron: when we have an editor, the editor should go through www-style and find them all 16:41:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html ? 16:41:53 need hyatt's feedback, too. He said he'd look at css3-background changes and issues this week 16:42:57 -[Mozilla] 16:42:59 -[Microsoft] 16:43:03 nothing else we can discuss today 16:43:04 -glazou 16:43:08 meeting closed 16:43:09 -CesarAcebal 16:43:20 I am really worried, I hope Peter is not in too bad shape 16:44:39 Daniel, I'm not sure to have understood well: is Bert who is very sick? 16:48:46 no, Bert is on vacation 16:50:39 Oh, thank you, Elika. I had written two emails about the Template Layout Module and he hadn't answered. I was a bit worried, that's all. 16:51:00 By the way, do you know when he comes back? 16:58:48 end of the month 16:59:00 he's always away in june, back to the Netherlands in general 17:00:22 Ok, thank you, Daniel. I was planning to do a brief research stay at ERCIM to work with Bert on the Template Layout (and on my Ph. D. thesis about it) and I needed an acceptance letter, but I suppose I cant wait a few days. Thank you! 17:04:47 np 17:05:01 disconnecting the lone participant, fantasai, in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM 17:05:04 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 17:05:05 Attendees were glazou, sylvaing, fantasai, CesarAcebal, dbaron, arronei 17:05:09 Bye. 17:05:21 cesar_acebal has left #css 17:15:03 sgalineau has joined #css 17:54:36 billyjackass has joined #css 18:10:06 Lachy has joined #css 20:01:02 sgalineau has joined #css 20:17:48 sgalineau has joined #css 21:08:49 sgalineau has joined #css 21:32:38 annevk has joined #css 22:17:04 dbaron: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/ Does that look adequate to you? 22:46:45 fantasai, yep