IRC log of CSS on 2009-06-24

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15:56:03 [glazou]
Zakim, this will be Style
15:56:03 [Zakim]
ok, glazou, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
15:56:20 [glazou]
welcome oyvinds
15:57:04 [oyvinds]
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15:58:25 [glazou]
roligt att se att folk kan ite säga "Øy"
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15:58:37 [glazou]
hola cesar_acebal
15:58:53 [glazou]
Zakim, who is here?
15:58:53 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +95089aaaa
15:58:54 [Zakim]
On IRC I see sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, MikeSmith, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
15:59:04 [glazou]
Zakim, +95089aaaa is me
15:59:04 [Zakim]
+glazou; got it
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Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
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+sylvaing; got it
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Zakim, ??P4 is fantasai
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+fantasai; got it
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+ +34.60.940.aabb
16:05:26 [cesar_acebal]
Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is CesarAcebal
16:05:28 [Zakim]
+CesarAcebal; got it
16:08:07 [fantasai]
Zakim, who is here
16:08:07 [Zakim]
fantasai, you need to end that query with '?'
16:08:10 [fantasai]
Zakim, who is here?
16:08:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see glazou, [Microsoft], fantasai, CesarAcebal
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[Microsoft] has sylvaing
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On IRC I see arronei, sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
16:09:25 [annevk]
fantasai, while I'm still here, page-break would become sugar for break, not the other way around
16:09:37 [fantasai]
16:11:09 [glazou]
hi annevk
16:13:34 [sgalineau]
16:13:52 [fantasai]
ScribeNick: fantasai
16:14:01 [fantasai]
We do not have enough people for full discussion.
16:14:16 [fantasai]
Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 61
16:14:19 [fantasai]
16:14:38 [fantasai]
Sylvain: Has to do with defining percentage heights for internal table elements.
16:14:46 [fantasai]
Sylvain: Spec says it should compute to 'auto'
16:14:52 [fantasai]
Sylvain: but in practice this is not what happens.
16:14:59 [fantasai]
Sylvain: Everybody does something different
16:15:13 [fantasai]
Sylvain: One thing to do is make it undefined
16:15:27 [fantasai]
16:15:44 [fantasai]
Glazou: browser vendors very unlikely to change things wrt percentage heights anytime soon
16:16:05 [fantasai]
Sylvain: They might do it before 2.1, but it would take a long time to develop and agree on an algorithm
16:16:18 [fantasai]
Glazou: It's a can of worms, it would take ages to specify everything. We don't have time
16:16:51 [fantasai]
Sylvain and glazou would like to define this, but must be pragmatic for CSS2.1
16:17:03 [glazou]
oyvinds, annevk : opinion ?
16:17:10 [glazou]
can you join the call BTW ?
16:17:52 [fantasai]
RESOLVED: proposal accepted for css2.1 issue 61
16:18:57 [oyvinds]
I defer to my senior colleagues
16:19:08 [glazou]
but your senior colleagues are not here
16:19:33 [Zakim]
16:19:48 [oyvinds]
counting annevk as one in terms of specs experience
16:20:19 [fantasai]
glazou summarizes the call so far for dbaron
16:20:35 [fantasai]
dbaron agrees with resolution
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16:21:26 [dbaron]
Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron
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+dbaron; got it
16:21:34 [fantasai]
16:23:59 [glazou]
16:25:21 [sgalineau]
Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei
16:25:21 [Zakim]
+arronei; got it
16:25:35 [fantasai]
fantasai summarizes what's in the css3-images draft
16:26:58 [fantasai]
example of image(): background-image: image(wavy.svg, 'wavy.png' 150dpi, "wavy.gif" or blue);
16:28:12 [fantasai]
using 'or' instead of comma for the color b/c draft currently allows unquoted URLs (that don't contain problematic chars)
16:28:33 [fantasai]
Sprites section unwritten
16:28:39 [fantasai]
link to discussions
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16:32:04 [fantasai]
Resolution units --
16:33:20 [fantasai]
introduce dppx
16:34:34 [fantasai]
ACTION fantasai: add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue)
16:34:34 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-159 - Add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue) [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
16:35:47 [fantasai] explains why media fragments wg's work is important to css (very good explanation)
16:36:31 [fantasai]
glazou: sprite proposal from Jorrit is something in between constants and variables and images
16:36:53 [fantasai]
glazou: if we come up with a good solution for this section, the media fragment wg's work will be less critical
16:37:28 [fantasai]
fantasai: dppx allows us to give 1dppx as default value for image-resolution property, leaving 'auto' to be used for 'do the right thing and use the image's resolution'
16:37:49 [fantasai]
glazou: publish as FPWD?
16:37:58 [fantasai]
dbaron: Would like Daniel's suggested example of fallback color with bgcolor
16:38:01 [dbaron]
(1) Daniel's comment about fallback color interacting with 'background-color'
16:38:13 [dbaron]
(2) having a bit of an introduction to the "Image Sprites" section
16:38:25 [dbaron]
to explain how it's different from slices
16:38:53 [fantasai]
ACTION fantasai: add intro to sprites section
16:38:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-160 - Add intro to sprites section [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
16:39:42 [fantasai]
dbaron: for issues in transitions, I still have more comments
16:40:13 [fantasai]
dbaron: I'm generally picking whatever is easiest for me as an implementor, worry about matching the spec later
16:40:17 [glazou]
16:40:22 [fantasai]
dbaron: when there's someone to discuss the spec with
16:40:40 [fantasai]
dbaron: There are a whole bunch of archived comments once ss3-lists more substantive than that
16:40:50 [fantasai]
dbaron: when we have an editor, the editor should go through www-style and find them all
16:41:36 [fantasai] ?
16:41:53 [fantasai]
need hyatt's feedback, too. He said he'd look at css3-background changes and issues this week
16:42:57 [Zakim]
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16:43:03 [fantasai]
nothing else we can discuss today
16:43:04 [Zakim]
16:43:08 [fantasai]
meeting closed
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16:43:20 [glazou]
I am really worried, I hope Peter is not in too bad shape
16:44:39 [cesar_acebal]
Daniel, I'm not sure to have understood well: is Bert who is very sick?
16:48:46 [fantasai]
no, Bert is on vacation
16:50:39 [cesar_acebal]
Oh, thank you, Elika. I had written two emails about the Template Layout Module and he hadn't answered. I was a bit worried, that's all.
16:51:00 [cesar_acebal]
By the way, do you know when he comes back?
16:58:48 [glazou]
end of the month
16:59:00 [glazou]
he's always away in june, back to the Netherlands in general
17:00:22 [cesar_acebal]
Ok, thank you, Daniel. I was planning to do a brief research stay at ERCIM to work with Bert on the Template Layout (and on my Ph. D. thesis about it) and I needed an acceptance letter, but I suppose I cant wait a few days. Thank you!
17:04:47 [glazou]
17:05:01 [Zakim]
disconnecting the lone participant, fantasai, in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
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Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were glazou, sylvaing, fantasai, CesarAcebal, dbaron, arronei
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22:17:04 [fantasai]
dbaron: Does that look adequate to you?
22:46:45 [dbaron]
fantasai, yep