IRC log of sparql on 2009-06-23

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/23-sparql-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 77277

13:57:24 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

13:57:25 [trackbot]

Date: 23 June 2009

13:57:29 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:57:29 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

13:57:43 [LeeF]

Chair: AxelPolleres

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dialing

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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-06-23

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SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

13:58:42 [Zakim]

+Lee_Feigenbaum

13:58:46 [Zakim]

+ +539149aaaa - is perhaps AxelPolleres?

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+kasei

13:59:01 [kasei]

Zakim, mute me

13:59:01 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

13:59:14 [Zakim]

+??P9

13:59:17 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P9 is me

13:59:17 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

13:59:18 [Zakim]

+cory

13:59:24 [Zakim]

+bglimm

13:59:29 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, aaaa is me

13:59:29 [Zakim]

sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

13:59:32 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

13:59:32 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

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13:59:51 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, +539149aaaa is me

13:59:51 [Zakim]

sorry, AxelPolleres, I do not recognize a party named '+539149aaaa'

14:00:01 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone

14:00:01 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

14:00:12 [ivan]

zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:00:12 [Zakim]

ok, ivan; the call is being made

14:00:13 [LeeF]

zakim, 539149aaaa is AxelPolleres

14:00:14 [Zakim]

sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '539149aaaa'

14:00:16 [Zakim]

+Ivan

14:00:21 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:00:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres?, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei (muted), AndyS, cory, bglimm (muted), Ivan

14:00:23 [Zakim]

+ +1.919.663.aabb

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14:00:32 [LeeF]

zakim, AxelPolleres? is definitely AxelPolleres

14:00:33 [Zakim]

I don't understand you, LeeF

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14:00:37 [LeeF]

zakim, AxelPolleres? is AxelPolleres

14:00:43 [Zakim]

+AxelPolleres; got it

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14:01:32 [LeeF]

zakim, aabb is SimonKJ

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+SimonKJ; got it

14:01:47 [LeeF]

zakim, cory is temporarily Prateek

14:01:47 [Zakim]

+Prateek; got it

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+john-l

14:02:29 [Zakim]

+??P30

14:02:49 [SteveH_]

Zakim, ??P30 is [Garlik]

14:02:51 [SteveH_]

probably...

14:02:58 [Zakim]

+[Garlik]; got it

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14:03:09 [SteveH_]

Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH_ and LukeWM

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+SteveH_, LukeWM; got it

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+ +01212803aacc

14:03:36 [LeeF]

Scribenick: John

14:03:38 [john-l]

Simon: I'm the primary IBM representative.

14:03:42 [LeeF]

Scribenick: john-l

14:04:06 [john-l]

... I've been working in the Rational group, on a new RDF-based platform, for 4 years.

14:04:24 [Zakim]

+ +2

14:04:42 [john-l]

... We rely heavily on SPARQL, and are very interested in standardizing useful new features as a result.

14:04:51 [Zakim]

+pgearon

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14:05:07 [john-l]

... We are primarily interested in aggregates, and in updates (in the longer term).

14:05:07 [iv_an_ru]

Zakim +01212803 is me

14:05:11 [iv_an_ru]

(probably)

14:05:22 [LeeF]

zakim, 01212803 is iv_an_ru

14:05:22 [Zakim]

sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named '01212803'

14:05:24 [LeeF]

zakim, +01212803 is iv_an_ru

14:05:24 [Zakim]

+iv_an_ru; got it

14:06:17 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2009-06-23

14:06:22 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:06:22 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei (muted), AndyS, Prateek, bglimm (muted), Ivan, SimonKJ, john-l, [Garlik], iv_an_ru, +2, pgearon

14:06:24 [Zakim]

[Garlik] has SteveH_, LukeWM

14:07:05 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16

14:07:33 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16

14:07:54 [ivan]

regrets for next week, will be at a Dagstuhl workshop

14:08:09 [john-l]

LeeF: Kjetil can probably scribe next week.

14:08:25 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Anything new with our liasons?

14:08:27 [ivan]

q+

14:08:42 [AxelPolleres]

ack ivan

14:08:48 [john-l]

ivan: OWL 2 is now in CR.

14:09:13 [john-l]

LeeF: That includes rdf:text?

14:09:16 [john-l]

ivan: Yes.

14:09:19 [bglimm]

rdf:text is now rdf:PlainLiteral in OWL 2

14:09:38 [LeeF]

thanks, bglimm, i couldn't remember what the new name was :)

14:10:04 [john-l]

???: We now have a chair for the RDB2RDF WG.

14:10:13 [LeeF]

s/???/Ivan/

14:10:14 [AxelPolleres]

s/???/ivan/

14:10:17 [SteveH_]

??? = ivan

14:10:57 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open

14:11:18 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Can we close any of these actions?

14:11:45 [john-l]

LeeF: I need to swap back in to work on action 16.

14:11:54 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone

14:11:54 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

14:12:03 [john-l]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:12:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei (muted), AndyS, Prateek, bglimm (muted), Ivan, SimonKJ, john-l, [Garlik], iv_an_ru, KjetilK, pgearon

14:12:06 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:12:06 [Zakim]

[Garlik] has SteveH_, LukeWM

14:12:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei (muted), AndyS, Prateek, bglimm (muted), Ivan, SimonKJ, john-l, [Garlik], iv_an_ru, KjetilK, pgearon

14:12:10 [Zakim]

[Garlik] has SteveH_, LukeWM

14:12:52 [iv_an_ru]

Sorry, phone troubles again.

14:13:32 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-42

14:13:32 [trackbot]

ACTION-42 Ask team contacts whether http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql-features/ is ok closed

14:14:30 [LeeF]

ACTION-44: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0392.html

14:14:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. notes added

14:14:37 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-44

14:14:37 [trackbot]

ACTION-44 Mail NOT EXISTS example. closed

14:14:46 [SteveH_]

I would like to consider action 40 closed!

14:15:07 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: We had two F&R questions: first, the short name for the document.

14:15:40 [john-l]

ivan: We need to ask the domain admin for a green light on the desired short name.

14:16:32 [john-l]

The group discusses whether we need SPARQL versioning in the short name.

14:16:58 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-06-16#resolution_2

14:17:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: Ivan to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R

14:17:22 [trackbot]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan

14:17:22 [trackbot]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)

14:17:31 [LeeF]

ACTION: Mr. Herman to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R

14:17:31 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Mr.

14:17:32 [john-l]

And the group confirms that we already resolved to go with "sparql-features" as the short name.

14:17:36 [LeeF]

ACTION: Ivan Herman to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R

14:17:36 [trackbot]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan

14:17:36 [trackbot]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)

14:17:40 [LeeF]

ACTION: Herman to request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R

14:17:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-48 - Request sparql-features as short name from Thomas R [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-06-30].

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+Chimezie_Ogbuji

14:19:33 [john-l]

chimezie: I haven't been able to review the F&R yet.

14:20:03 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: I think the remaining issues with the F&R document are small.

14:20:11 [AxelPolleres]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0400.html

14:20:47 [SteveH_]

q+ to talk about very confusing CONSTRUCT example in subselect section

14:21:20 [john-l]

SteveH_: The CONSTRUCT example is not germane and confusing.

14:21:26 [AndyS]

We agreed not to use it last week didn't we?

14:21:33 [SteveH_]

I thought so

14:21:57 [SteveH_]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009AprJun/0398.html 2.4.3

14:22:18 [john-l]

SteveH_: In section 2.4.3.

14:22:35 [john-l]

LeeF: I also agree with striking that example.

14:22:39 [Zakim]

-iv_an_ru

14:22:43 [AxelPolleres]

lternatively, analogously to the SELECT example from before, we can use a subquery with project expressions for this query

14:22:45 [iv_an_ru]

(oops)

14:23:08 [SteveH_]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Project_expressions_syntax

14:23:32 [SteveH_]

suggestion is to remove first CONSTRUCT example

14:23:49 [john-l]

LeeF: I think including it in the document at this point goes too far.

14:23:58 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: remove all below "To return an RDF graph..." in section 2.4.3

14:24:29 [AndyS]

Remove just example "CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } }

14:24:29 [AndyS]

"

14:25:48 [iv_an_ru]

I don't like syntax of CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name { fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) } } but I'd keep it.

14:26:25 [iv_an_ru]

(we have CONSTRUCT { ?x foaf:name ` fn:string-join(?gn, " ", ?sn) ` } , maybe not the best variant too)

14:26:27 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: We need to remove the offending example and tweak the words to match.

14:26:45 [SteveH_]

"To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used"

14:26:49 [SteveH_]

suggestion ^

14:27:27 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Any objections?

14:27:53 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first COPNSTRUCT example in 2.4.3

14:28:07 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: reword to "To return an RDF graph where the first and family names are concatenated to a full name such project expressions could be used" and remove first COPNSTRUCT example in 2.4.3

14:28:19 [AndyS]

It is "advice to the editors" isn't it?

14:28:29 [SteveH_]

yes

14:28:57 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: We've already taken care of 1 and 2 from the 8 points.

14:29:33 [AxelPolleres]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/SPARQL/Extensions/Aggregates

14:29:49 [AndyS]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:AggregateFunctions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29

14:30:03 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: We should take the list of implementors of aggregate expressions from the ESW wiki.

14:30:24 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:ProjectExpressions#Existing_Implementation.28s.29

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14:30:48 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Take the existing lists from other pages and paste them into the document.

14:31:34 [AndyS]

without the CONSTRUCT case (it's about being concise and focued on select expressions)

14:31:35 [john-l]

ivan: What policy should we have for adding implementations? Should we try to be exhaustive?

14:31:54 [AxelPolleres]

"The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature"

14:32:04 [ivan]

s/ivan/Kjetil/

14:32:26 [LeeF]

I share some of Kjetil's concerns

14:32:56 [SteveH]

The document will be dated, I don't see the problem

14:33:04 [LeeF]

Better to include implementations purely as examples, rather than try to make a comprehensive list

14:33:05 [AndyS]

Not exhaustive - but the charter talsk about common extensions and experience which is relevant.

14:33:13 [AndyS]

+1 to LeeF

14:33:16 [iv_an_ru]

No need to be exaustive, if we're in ;)

14:33:18 [SteveH]

yes, not exhastive

14:33:26 [LeeF]

what iv_an_ru says is exactly the problem :/

14:33:34 [LeeF]

this isn't an Implementation Report

14:34:14 [iv_an_ru]

I'd choose two implementations per feature, using "similarity to the spec" as a criterion.

14:34:19 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Would anyone object to having a non-exhaustive implementation list?

14:34:54 [SteveH]

iv_an_ru: there is no spec at this point

14:34:58 [john-l]

KjetilK: I object; I'm concerned about the persistence of the URIs.

14:35:29 [ivan]

q+

14:35:33 [SteveH]

q-

14:35:37 [AndyS]

Yes

14:35:41 [AndyS]

q+

14:35:45 [iv_an_ru]

well, what we've specified fo "approximate" syntax and semantics resembles a spec.

14:35:47 [pgearon]

I'd like to see the list left

14:35:48 [LeeF]

q- SteveH_

14:36:45 [AxelPolleres]

"The following non-exhaustive list includes some systems addressing this feature at the date of publication of the present document"

14:36:49 [john-l]

ivan: The text needs to make it clear that the implementation list could rapidly become out-of-date.

14:37:16 [john-l]

... Also, it needs to emphasize that an up-to-date list *is* maintained on the Wiki.

14:38:05 [SteveH]

I don't feel that the document stands on it's own sufficiently if it requires liks to the WG wiki

14:38:11 [SteveH]

to justify itsself

14:38:14 [LeeF]

Link to which wiki? ESW presumably since it outlives the WG wiki?

14:38:17 [SteveH]

+1

14:38:38 [iv_an_ru]

+1 for ESW

14:38:54 [SteveH]

+1, I also think the docs lifetime is similar to the WGs

14:38:55 [john-l]

AndyS: I think the F&R doc only has a limited span of usefulness, so I don't worry about the deep future so much.

14:39:11 [LukeWM]

q+

14:39:33 [john-l]

AndyS: I would put the links in.

14:39:44 [SimonKJ]

+1

14:39:44 [LukeWM]

ack me

14:39:52 [AndyS]

We are required to have: "shown to exist in multiple, interoperable implementations" so useful info towards that

14:39:53 [ivan]

ack ivan

14:39:55 [AndyS]

ack me

14:40:12 [SimonKJ]

q+

14:40:46 [john-l]

LukeWM: Do we still need complex use-cases, with more than one feature, for the F&R?

14:40:53 [LukeWM]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/FRUseCases

14:41:47 [LeeF]

Pretty sure it wasn't me requesting them :-D

14:42:01 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Is there any objection to going to FPWD without the list of complex use-cases?

14:42:08 [LukeWM]

sorry LeeF, you're right, it wasn't

14:42:13 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: go to FPWD without list of use cases

14:42:23 [pgearon]

+1

14:43:06 [SteveH]

proposal needs rewording!

14:43:09 [LeeF]

indeed

14:43:37 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: go to FPWD without list of use cases

14:43:51 [pgearon]

Yes, I wasn't seconding that we can go to publication, only that I'm happy not to have the use cases

14:43:51 [SteveH]

er?

14:44:29 [LeeF]

Intent of the previous resolution is to assert that the group does not wish to wait on complex use cases before publishing FPWD, it is NOT a resolution to publish a document.

14:44:42 [SteveH]

nor was it a resolution

14:44:46 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: We discussed the modeling of UNSAID without an actual negation feature in SPARQL 1.0 on the mailing list.

14:45:09 [john-l]

SteveH: I think we can continue with the feature described as is.

14:45:31 [AxelPolleres]

4) in my mail, doesn't need a todo.

14:46:31 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: #5 is just a typo.

14:48:19 [john-l]

SteveH: Adding the TODO to address #6 is fine.

14:50:04 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: I suggest no changes to the doc in response to #7.

14:50:20 [SimonKJ]

q+

14:50:52 [LeeF]

ack SimonKJ

14:51:07 [john-l]

SimonKJ: We also support a protocol update, and I'll try to dig out a reference.

14:51:24 [SimonKJ]

IBM's Jazz Foundation supports graph update via a RESTful protocol

14:51:30 [SimonKJ]

I'll try and find a persistent reference

14:51:54 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: I suggest adding references to these existing implementations to the list for emphasis.

14:52:24 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: Is there anything else that would prevent going to FPWD?

14:52:36 [SteveH]

+1

14:52:48 [SteveH]

..to ivan

14:52:57 [john-l]

ivan: I think we should make all the above changes and then make a decision.

14:52:58 [LeeF]

too many changes to do conditionally, I thi nk

14:53:03 [LeeF]

s/thi nk/think

14:53:07 [pgearon]

I agree with Ivan

14:53:45 [AndyS_]

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14:53:59 [AndyS]

It's FPWD - can be a bit rough. Early is good. "It's agree to publish" not "agree with every detail"

14:54:30 [john-l]

LeeF: Let's make the changes, then at the beginning of the next meeting determine if there is any outstanding hesitation.

14:54:38 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: It'll also be good to have outstanding reviews completed.

14:54:38 [AndyS]

q+

14:54:45 [LeeF]

ack AndyS

14:55:13 [SteveH]

my action is still open too, for some reason http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/40

14:55:13 [john-l]

AndyS: Make changes and have reviews?

14:55:30 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-40

14:55:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-40 Review F&R document closed

14:55:37 [LeeF]

SteveH, i don't know what you're talking about

14:55:39 [LeeF]

;-)

14:55:48 [SteveH]

LeeF, the human Zakim :)

14:57:06 [john-l]

Axel arranges for serializing the updates and the reviews.

14:58:22 [ivan]

q+

14:58:53 [john-l]

ivan: I need to finalize the charter for phase 2.

14:59:20 [john-l]

ivan: The charter should include every feature, including the time permitting features. They don't need detailed descriptions, though.

14:59:26 [AndyS]

See section 1.1?

14:59:29 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/features/#Introduction_features

14:59:54 [LeeF]

q+

14:59:58 [LeeF]

ack ivan

15:00:14 [LeeF]

q+ to hopefully resolve this easily

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15:01:43 [john-l]

LeeF: I will take an action to draft text for all of the time permitting features by Thursday.

15:02:01 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: LeeF to draft short descriptions for time-permitting features

15:02:01 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-49 - Draft short descriptions for time-permitting features [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2009-06-30].

15:02:55 [john-l]

AxelPolleres: LeeF can try to hand off his work to KjetilK for his edits.

15:02:56 [Zakim]

-Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:03:00 [Zakim]

-Prateek

15:03:01 [Zakim]

-bglimm

15:03:01 [Zakim]

-Lee_Feigenbaum

15:03:03 [Zakim]

-SimonKJ

15:03:05 [Zakim]

-KjetilK

15:03:07 [Zakim]

-pgearon

15:03:09 [Zakim]

-Ivan

15:03:11 [Zakim]

-kasei

15:03:13 [Zakim]

-john-l

15:03:14 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, list attendees

15:03:15 [Zakim]

-[Garlik]

15:03:21 [kasei]

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15:03:25 [LeeF]

Thanks for scribing, John. I'll do the minutes from here.

15:03:27 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Lee_Feigenbaum, +539149aaaa, kasei, AndyS, bglimm, Ivan, +1.919.663.aabb, AxelPolleres, SimonKJ, Prateek, john-l, SteveH_, LukeWM,

15:03:30 [Zakim]

... +01212803aacc, pgearon, iv_an_ru, KjetilK, Chimezie_Ogbuji

15:03:32 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:03:33 [AxelPolleres]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:03:33 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/23-sparql-minutes.html AxelPolleres

15:03:38 [LeeF]

AxelPolleres, you don't need to do that

15:03:47 [LeeF]

It's unrelated to the minutes procedure

15:03:52 [LeeF]

FYI

15:04:31 [AxelPolleres]

I just like it to have *some* minutes out, since I still am not familiar with the other minutes process :-) you have to fill me in there at some point

15:04:48 [LeeF]

Pretty sure I've sent email with instructions in the past :p

15:05:03 [AxelPolleres]

my bad then

15:05:07 [LukeWM]

LeeF, it was Alex Passant that asked for the complex F&R UseCases by the way

15:05:18 [LeeF]

thx, LukeWM

15:05:43 [LeeF]

AxelPolleres, not sure where though

15:06:50 [AxelPolleres]

Apologies in that case, didn't yet have a chance to look into it, dialing to RIF now, as mentioned time management should improve as RIF LC gets out, hopefully.

15:07:02 [AxelPolleres]

bye

15:07:20 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres

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Attendees were Lee_Feigenbaum, +539149aaaa, kasei, AndyS, bglimm, Ivan, +1.919.663.aabb, AxelPolleres, SimonKJ, Prateek, john-l, SteveH_, LukeWM, +01212803aacc, pgearon, iv_an_ru,

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... KjetilK, Chimezie_Ogbuji

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15:25:48 [LeeF]

OK, sent instructions to the list

15:25:54 [LeeF]

No idea if everyone has permissions to do it or not

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