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13:00:28 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:00:36 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
13:00:41 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
13:00:44 <ArtB> Chair: Art
13:00:58 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/1028.html
13:01:07 <ArtB> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conf
13:01:12 <ArtB> Date: 18 June 2009
13:01:36 <ArtB> Regrets: Marcos, Thomas, Frederick, AndySledd
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13:02:11 <ArtB> zakim, aaaa is AndyB
13:02:12 <Zakim> +AndyB; got it
13:02:22 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
13:02:22 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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13:02:23 <Zakim> +Mike
13:03:21 <Zakim> + +1.920.840.aabb
13:03:21 <ArtB> zakim, noise?
13:03:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ArtB.
13:03:39 <Zakim> -Mike
13:04:12 <ArtB> Present: Art, Josh, Marcin, AndyB
13:05:18 <abraun> me/ nope I was aaaa
13:05:29 <ArtB> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
13:05:37 <ArtB> AB: I submitted the draft agenda on June 17 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/1028.html). Any change requests?
13:05:45 <Zakim> + +45.29.aacc
13:05:51 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
13:05:51 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
13:05:52 <ArtB> Present+ Benoit
13:05:53 <Zakim> +Mike
13:05:56 <ArtB> Present+ Mike
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13:06:16 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
13:06:31 <ArtB> AB: On June 12 the W3C legal staff announced a Public call for prior art on Widgets 1.0 Updates spec (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0937.html). Please read this announcement and respond accordingly.
13:06:54 <ArtB> AB: also, today, the First Public Working Drafts of both Widgets Access Requests Policy and Widgets URI Scheme will be published.
13:06:58 <Zakim> -Mike
13:07:07 <timeless_mbp> So, I need to send off a final set of comments
13:07:24 <ArtB> AB: last announcement from me is reminder June 19 is the deadline for comments for the P&C LCWD
13:07:25 <Zakim> + +2
13:07:38 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
13:07:38 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
13:07:40 <Zakim> +Mike
13:07:48 <ArtB> Present+ David
13:07:57 <ArtB> AB: any other announcements?
13:08:18 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:08:27 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps
13:08:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].
13:08:49 <abraun> me is using chrome for today IRC session
13:09:12 <ArtB> MS: I need to move the FPWD to the right place today
13:09:14 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's here?
13:09:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Art_Barstow, Josh_Soref, AndyB, Mike, AndyB.a, benoit, +2
13:09:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Benoit, Marcin, abraun, drogersuk, RRSAgent, Zakim, darobin, timeless_mbp, anne, MikeSmith, tlr, ArtB, heycam, annevk, shepazu, trackbot, hendry
13:09:21 <ArtB> ... and then get the Web Master to create the appropriate link
13:09:28 <ArtB> AB: what is the ETA, Mike?
13:09:41 <ArtB> MS: I can make the move during this call
13:09:53 <ArtB> ... and then ping Web Master to make the link
13:10:02 <ArtB> AB: great; I appreciate that
13:10:48 <ArtB> MS: the DigSig CR annoncement must get done today and OK'ed by PLH; should be no issues
13:11:06 <ArtB> AB: thanks for doing that Mike!
13:11:10 <Zakim> -AndyB.a
13:11:49 <Zakim> +AndyB.a
13:11:59 <ArtB> Topic: Comments from Dom Hazael-Massieux (12 June and 15 June)
13:12:20 <ArtB> AB: on June 12, Dom submitted comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0936.html ). We won't cover discuss his Editorial comment on June 15 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0971.html ) since MC already fixed it.
13:12:34 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
13:12:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Art_Barstow, Josh_Soref, AndyB, Mike, benoit, +2, AndyB.a
13:12:40 <ArtB> AB: MC has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
13:13:27 <ArtB> AB: ideally, responses to Dom should be sent to the mail list
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13:13:43 <ArtB> Marcin: I reported the same probs against the ABNF
13:13:48 <ArtB> ... and I think they are now fixed
13:13:52 <ArtB> AB: ok; good
13:14:06 <ArtB> AB: they appear to be non-substantive i.e. bugs that need to be fixed
13:14:31 <ArtB> AB: any other feedback on Dom's June 12 comments?
13:14:34 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:14:42 <ArtB> Topic: Comments from Francois Daoust (14 June)
13:15:01 <ArtB> AB: On June 14, Francois submitted some new comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0962.html ). There are three comments. Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
13:15:30 <ArtB> AB: comment #2 identifies a bug that needs to be fixed before publishing a Candidate spec.
13:15:49 <ArtB> AB: comment #3 appears to be a suggestion for an optimization we should consider
13:15:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:16:02 <ArtB> Present+ Robin
13:16:43 <ArtB> AB: any comments or feedback re Francois' comments?
13:16:51 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:17:07 <ArtB> Topic: Comments from Opera (15 June; submitted by Marcos)
13:17:21 <ArtB> AB: On June 15, Marcos submitted another set of comments from Opera ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0975.html ), these from Martin Nilsson. Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
13:17:46 <ArtB> AB: again, responding on public-webapps is encouraged
13:17:57 <darobin> Zakim, who's making noise?
13:18:03 <Zakim> -Mike
13:18:07 <Zakim> darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: benoit (15%), +2 (15%), Mike (40%)
13:18:22 <ArtB> AB: these look like more bugs we need to fix before publishing a Candidate.
13:18:36 <timeless_mbp> oh, as a note... i ended up w/ one comment which is substantive
13:18:38 <ArtB> AB: any comments on Martin's email?
13:18:40 <timeless_mbp> it'll probably break us :(
13:18:46 <timeless_mbp> q+
13:19:18 <ArtB> Topic: Comments from Dom Hazael-Massieux (17 June)
13:19:29 <ArtB> AB: on June 17, Dom submitted some more comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/1021.html ). Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
13:20:04 <ArtB> AB: this set of comments is from an assertion extraction exercise Dom did
13:20:20 <ArtB> AB: any comments on Dom's June 17 feedback?
13:20:41 <ArtB> AB: these appear to be Editorial and Bug Fixes
13:21:13 <ArtB> AB: any feedback on Dom's June 17 email?
13:21:16 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:21:36 <ArtB> Topic: P+C LCWD feedback by Josh Soref
13:21:57 <ArtB> JS: I've been discussing an issue with Marcos
13:22:53 <ArtB> ... when a widget is requested, expect a single negotiation
13:23:08 <ArtB> ... and can state which lang-based version I want
13:23:28 <ArtB> ... and thus just get a single application i.e. widget
13:23:50 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
13:23:50 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
13:23:52 <Zakim> +Mike
13:24:13 <ArtB> ... don't want the UI to mix langs in the presentation
13:24:27 <ArtB> ... its too easy for the author to make mistakes
13:24:53 <ArtB> ... once en-us is decided, don't want fallbacks e.g. to fr
13:25:14 <ArtB> ... must avoid a bunch of mixed strings
13:25:27 <MikeSmith> Zakim, AndyB is really abraun
13:25:27 <Zakim> +abraun; got it
13:26:23 <ArtB> AB: I think we need Josh to send the UC and issues to the mail list
13:26:54 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
13:26:59 <ArtB> JS: I will send an email to the list that describes this issue
13:27:12 <ArtB> AB: any comments or feedback for Josh?
13:27:25 <Zakim> +??P19
13:27:36 <ArtB> AB: without seeing the details, it appears Josh has identified at least one bug 
13:29:03 <ArtB> JS: I just sent some emails
13:29:45 <ArtB> AB: any other comments or questions about the P+C LCWD?
13:29:49 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:30:03 <ArtB> Topic: Who should review the WARP spec?
13:30:04 <drogersuk> q+
13:30:37 <ArtB> DR: how does this proceed with tests and P+C?
13:31:14 <ArtB> AB: we will start the test cases after we publish the CR
13:31:57 <ArtB> DR: Kai has done some work
13:32:03 <ArtB> AB: yes, we need to review that
13:32:09 <ArtB> DR: what about time scales?
13:32:35 <ArtB> AB: my expectation is that Candidate phase will last at least 3 months
13:33:14 <ArtB> ... if anyone has reason to believe we can create a comprehensive test suite in less time, I'd like to hear it
13:33:28 <ArtB> AB: any other questions about testing?
13:33:30 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:33:42 <Zakim> -??P19
13:33:44 <ArtB> AB: I want to identify those groups we should explicitly ask for comments re the WARP spec. Naturally, the proposed DAP community is one target i.e. public-device-apis@w3.org. Are there any other groups?
13:34:17 <ArtB> RB: BONDI?
13:34:41 <ArtB> AB: Robin, do you want me to explicitly ask BONDI for comments?
13:34:52 <ArtB> ... give me the mail list address
13:35:07 <ArtB> DR: the request would go thru me
13:35:19 <darobin> RB: not necessarily, but they've asked for this feature
13:35:24 <darobin> RB: I can do it
13:35:25 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec
13:35:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-369 - Ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].
13:35:44 <ArtB> AB: are there any other groups?
13:36:08 <ArtB> ... public-webapps will of course be added
13:36:28 <ArtB> DR: does the DAP mail list include all of the Dec 2008 workshop attendees?
13:36:37 <ArtB> AB: yes, I think that is true
13:36:49 <ArtB> DR: good; lots of diverse people then will see the annoucement
13:36:53 <ArtB> AB: I agree
13:37:02 <ArtB> AB: any other feedback?
13:37:04 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:37:16 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG 
13:37:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-370 - Send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG  [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].
13:37:25 <ArtB> Topic: Who should review the Widget URI Scheme spec?
13:37:36 <ArtB> AB: I want to identify those groups we should explicitly ask for comments re the Widget URI Scheme spec. Naturally, the TAG (www-tag@w3.org) and public-pkg-uri-scheme@w3.org. Are there any other groups?
13:38:04 <ArtB> AB: of course public-webapps will be annonced too
13:38:17 <ArtB> RB: I can talk to the TAG
13:38:22 <ArtB> AB: that's good to hear
13:38:41 <ArtB> RB: pk-uri may not be appropriate
13:38:57 <ArtB> AB: good point but I'd rather err on the side of over exposure
13:39:08 <ArtB> AB: any additional group?
13:39:13 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:39:29 <ArtB> Topic: AOB
13:39:41 <ArtB> AB: I don't have any discussion points
13:39:44 <ArtB> AB: does anyone?
13:39:59 <Zakim> -abraun
13:39:59 <ArtB> AB: Meeting Ajourned
13:40:05 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
13:40:09 <Zakim> -Mike
13:40:10 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:40:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html ArtB
13:40:10 <Zakim> -AndyB.a
13:40:12 <Zakim> -benoit
13:40:13 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
13:40:28 <Zakim> - +2
13:40:29 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended
13:40:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Art_Barstow, Josh_Soref, +1.919.536.aaaa, Mike, +1.920.840.aabb, +45.29.aacc, benoit, +2, [IPcaller], abraun
13:40:52 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps
13:40:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-371 - Send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].
13:40:57 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:40:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html ArtB
13:49:08 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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13:49:13 <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
13:49:13 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-actions.rdf :
13:49:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps [1]
13:49:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-irc#T13-08-27
13:49:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec [2]
13:49:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-irc#T13-35-25
13:49:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG  [3]
13:49:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-irc#T13-37-16
13:49:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps [4]
13:49:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-irc#T13-40-52
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