IRC log of mwts on 2009-06-16

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Zakim, this will be MWI_TS
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Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 June 2009
14:59:51 [dom]
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Regrets: Carmelo
15:00:10 [dom]
zakim, who's on the call?
15:00:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P4
15:00:14 [dom]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
15:00:43 [Zakim]
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+ +39.525.1.aaaa
15:01:11 [dom]
zakim, aaaa is me
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+dom; got it
15:02:23 [wilhelm]
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Topic: Widgets testing
15:02:27 [dom]
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ACTION-52 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to draft a blog post on SPARTAN -- due 2009-05-26 -- OPEN
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15:02:42 [dom]
Wilhelm: missing a few things, but the basic are there
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... will post before end of week
15:02:47 [dom]
15:02:47 [trackbot]
ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
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15:03:13 [dom]
Kai: I joined the WebApps WG meeting last week - gave them a report of where I was
15:03:22 [dom]
... the widgets spec have changed quite a lot
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... I've been designing tests so that they could be queried through the Widget API
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... but the Widget API is quite unstable - the group won't be relying on them to be done
15:04:22 [dom]
... they are pushing ahead with packaging and configuration to CR
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... and they need tests that don't rely on Widgets API for that
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... when you look at all the "must" assertions in the P&C spec,
15:05:01 [dom]
... they're all down to ZIP tests, not using reserved names, etc
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... so WTF isn't quite suitable for these types of tests
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... This means I'll have to go back to basics for the tests that are needed now
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... they would want to move to Candidate Rec next month - so I need to spend a bit more time on P&C stuff for now
15:06:27 [dom]
Wilhelm: so should these tests be made outside of WTF? or should we change WTF to fit better these tests?
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Kai: WTF could probably be changed, but I think just producing Zip files will be simpler for this kind of tests
15:07:19 [dom]
Dom: is up to date?
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Kai: no, I have redone some of the stuff and haven't committed to de
15:07:36 [dom]
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ACTION: Kai to update tests on
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Created ACTION-58 - Update tests on [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-06-23].
15:08:39 [dom]
Dom: If I want to contribute tests, do I need to use your git repository? or can I use CVS on
15:09:04 [dom]
Kai: I'd prefer if you would use git - but I'm not sure if it's set up for contributions
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... I want to blog about how to contribute tests
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... adding tests to WTF isn't exactly easy
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ACTION: Kai to describe how to contribute tests (will serve as input to blog post)
15:10:14 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-59 - Describe how to contribute tests (will serve as input to blog post) [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-06-23].
15:10:31 [dom]
Topic: WCTMB
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ACTION-55 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look at WCTMB2 ideas -- due 2009-06-02 -- OPEN
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15:10:55 [dom]
Wilhelm: I haven't been able to make progress; I hope to have something out before leaving on vacation
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Topic: Blog
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ACTION-57 -- Kai Hendry to propose another blog on widgets testing -- due 2009-06-16 -- OPEN
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15:12:19 [dom]
Kai: will blog about contributing tests (ACTION-59)
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close ACTION-57
15:12:22 [trackbot]
ACTION-57 Propose another blog on widgets testing closed
15:13:07 [dom]
Kai: wanted to mention that BONDI has a test framework that I would like to chat about
15:13:20 [dom]
Topic: OMA
15:13:24 [dom]
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ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
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15:13:34 [dom]
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ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
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15:14:27 [dom]
Dom: some progress on validating the new test suites released by OMA
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Topic: AOB
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Kai: any experience on how to extract testing assertions from Widget Specs?
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Dom: done that with XSLT a few times, can do taht for Widget P&C if you're interested
15:16:20 [dom]
ACTION: Dom to provide an extraction of test assertions from Widgets P&C (and tool to do it)
15:16:20 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-60 - Provide an extraction of test assertions from Widgets P&C (and tool to do it) [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-06-23].
15:16:27 [dom]
Topic: Next meeting
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Wilhelm: away next two weeks
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15:18:18 [dom]
Kai: would be good to meet next week since we need to move ahead with the widgets tests
15:18:32 [dom]
Dom: ok, let's keep the meeting for next week then, and see if we meet in two weeks as well or not
15:19:07 [dom]
RESOLVED: Next meeting on June 23, regrets from Wilhelm
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zakim, ??P4 was kai
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I don't understand '??P4 was kai', dom
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zakim, drop dom
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dom is being disconnected
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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Wilhelm, +39.525.1.aaaa, dom
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s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate dom
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