12:56:10 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 12:56:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc 12:56:25 hi 12:56:52 Scribe: Tim Anglade 12:57:01 ScribeNick: tpa 12:57:28 jsalvachua has joined #swxg 12:57:39 hello. 12:58:27 hello all, i am not going to make phone call today, i will be on IRC 12:58:30 + +4222aabb 12:58:32 apologies 12:58:44 zakim, what is the code? 12:58:44 the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DKA 12:58:51 milstan has joined #swxg 12:58:53 +DKA 12:59:01 zakim, who is on the call? 12:59:01 On the phone I see tpa, +1.314.683.aaaa, +4222aabb, DKA 12:59:12 zakim, who is here? 12:59:12 On the phone I see tpa, +1.314.683.aaaa, +4222aabb, DKA 12:59:13 On IRC I see milstan, jsalvachua, RRSAgent, Yuk, hhalpin, rreck, Zakim, karl, cperey, DKA, bblfish, AdamB, melvster, caribou, mischat, tpa, FabGandon, tinkster, pchampin, oshani, 12:59:14 hawking has joined #swxg 12:59:15 ... trackbot, Cloud, AlexPassant, dom 13:00:13 zakim, mute me 13:00:13 sorry, tinkster, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:00:14 +tinkster 13:00:15 Chair: DKA 13:00:18 zakim, mute me 13:00:19 tinkster should now be muted 13:00:21 +??P11 13:00:39 +??P22 13:00:44 zakim, ??p11 is rreck 13:00:44 +rreck; got it 13:00:50 agenda+ Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z 13:00:55 +Carine 13:00:58 - +4222aabb 13:01:03 agenda+ General Organization and Task Forces 13:01:04 + +34.91.549.aacc 13:01:08 + +1.510.931.aadd 13:01:09 agenda+ Optional Face-to-Face Meeting 13:01:11 Hi it's Milan 13:01:15 agenda+ Invited Guests 13:01:15 I'm on skype 13:01:20 agenda+ Creating User Stories on the Wiki 13:01:26 agenda+ Social Network Matrix 13:01:31 agenda? 13:01:32 agenda+ Possible Portability Task Force Meeting?: FOAF Brainstorming 13:01:43 + +4222aaee 13:01:43 + +2 13:01:45 Hi, do we have a skype voice conference? 13:02:02 zakim, call aacc its me 13:02:02 I don't understand 'call aacc its me', jsalvachua 13:02:05 +pchampin 13:02:28 +karl 13:02:32 + +1.425.498.aagg 13:02:39 i just called in using skype 13:02:44 +Cloud 13:02:45 Zakim, ??aagg is HarryH 13:02:46 zakim, mute me 13:02:46 sorry, hhalpin, I do not recognize a party named '??aagg' 13:02:48 jsalvachua should now be muted 13:02:52 +yul 13:02:53 Zakim, aagg is HarryH 13:02:53 +HarryH; got it 13:03:05 +yuk 13:03:17 Meeting: SWXG XG Weekly Meeting for 2009-06-10 13:03:19 TOPIC: Convene SWXG WG meeting 13:03:25 Chair: DKA 13:03:46 Zakim, next item 13:03:46 agendum 1. "Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-06-10T13:00-15:00Z" taken up [from tpa] 13:03:52 DKA: meeting convened. 13:04:04 RESOLVED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 3 June 2009 as a true record 13:04:22 RESOLVED: to meet again Wed, 17 June. scribe volunteer? 13:04:29 TOPIC: General Organization and Task Forces 13:04:54 move to next agendum 13:04:54 agendum 2. "General Organization and Task Forces" taken up [from tpa] 13:04:56 MacTed has joined #swxg 13:05:35 Claudio sent some emails about task forces. 13:05:43 + +1.781.273.aahh 13:05:58 According to our brand new Zakim list, http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/ScribeList, Phil Archer should scribe next. 13:05:59 DKA: Task forces need to be chartered 13:06:04 Will e-mail him a reminder. 13:06:08 ... we need to collect information on the wiki 13:06:34 q? 13:06:46 zakim, who's noisy? 13:06:52 Zakim, q+ 13:06:52 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:06:56 DKA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.781.273.aahh (25%), DKA (59%) 13:06:59 Harry: we should figure out which task forces want to do which meetings 13:07:19 zakim, aahh is OpenLink_Software 13:07:19 +OpenLink_Software; got it 13:07:19 zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed 13:07:21 +MacTed; got it 13:07:26 ... schedule which conf call is dedicated to which task force 13:07:42 ... also figure out how to handle Portability 13:07:48 ... what could be the topics of the task forces 13:07:52 ... maybe put that on the wiki 13:07:54 +FabGandon 13:08:43 DKA: maybe dedicate the next call to Context and Privacy? 13:09:31 + +1.617.848.aaii 13:09:37 echo on the line coming from somewhere? 13:09:41 ... do some homework in the coming weeks to come up with initiatives that revolve around Context and catalog them, their level of involvement in Privacy 13:09:47 ... we give the example of location being key 13:09:54 zakim, I am +1.617.848.aaii 13:09:54 +cperey; got it 13:10:03 zakim, mute me 13:10:03 cperey should now be muted 13:10:04 ... they could be associated with safety of child safety issues 13:10:06 hi! 13:10:09 sorry to be late 13:10:32 Zakim, mute me 13:10:32 MacTed should now be muted 13:10:36 ... those could be useful to define a shared view of Context, both from an industrial and an academic perspective 13:10:44 What I'll do is I'll put the agenda format on the wiki asap so people can add context and privacy related items to agenda all over the next week. 13:11:02 ACTION: hhalpin to start putting agenda on wiki day after meeting 13:11:02 Created ACTION-32 - Start putting agenda on wiki day after meeting [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-06-17]. 13:11:08 ... especially how they mesh with the mobile and social media spaces 13:11:18 wonsuk has joined #swxg 13:11:40 Zakim, q+ 13:11:40 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:11:41 DKA: requests caffeine injections into XG members 13:11:47 if I unmute I will only cough into the conference call :-( 13:11:48 ack hh 13:11:49 ack 13:12:33 Harry: we need to look at Renato's policy comments and ideas 13:12:46 there wer a few talks on policy at the eswc spot track in crete 13:12:56 ??: send a reading list before each confcall? 13:13:06 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/PolicyCommons 13:13:08 here http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/ 13:13:50 here are the papers: http://spot2009.semanticweb.org/papers 13:14:00 q? 13:14:03 s/??:/Adam:/ 13:14:14 For context, it would be useful if someone involved in WebApps sort of put forward a list of context-capable APIs. 13:14:33 And debriefed us on Mobile Web W3C Activity. 13:14:51 DKA: we should focus immediate actions and reading on Context and Privacy. 13:14:52 the reading links will be on the listserv or wiki? 13:15:11 Harry: we also need to define overall scope. 13:15:29 http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/sism.html 13:15:50 ... regarding Portability, we already have some work going on with FOAF and vCard but we need to focuse on mapping between networks for Interoperability 13:16:12 Matthew: we have been looking at how functionalities in social networks overlap and can be mapped 13:16:18 where can i read more about the mappings? 13:16:24 Check on that web-page. 13:16:38 ... we're looking into providing schematics on how to standardize this mapping, we're looking for feedback 13:16:43 cool 13:16:45 + +1.203.276.aajj 13:16:55 I also think ASemantics had a mapping somewhere....not sure if they're on the call. 13:17:05 DKA: anything else also on XMPP? 13:17:41 Harry: yes, there's a lot of activity around Google Wave. Peter Saint Andre has accepted our invitation but we need to set a date. Maybe he can debrief us on XMPP 13:18:04 DKA: dedicate each call to a specific topic or task force? 13:18:35 ... maybe for the call on the 24th, we could center it around this task force? 13:18:48 ... But is there a charter for those task forces or a definition? 13:18:55 Harry: no, no leader or scoping either. 13:19:15 joaquin? 13:19:23 DKA: if we spin off a taskforce, we need a leader for it, could be a co-chair, should have a delivery statement 13:19:33 i can do it 13:19:37 Harry: proposes Joaquin 13:19:44 ... or Peter Ferne 13:19:53 zakim unmute me 13:20:05 Zakim, who's noisy? 13:20:10 zakim, unmute me 13:20:10 jsalvachua should no longer be muted 13:20:16 MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (5%), ??P22 (23%), jsalvachua (28%), +2 (38%) 13:20:17 Yes, agree that Portability needs a better scoping statement, I remember Joaquin having some good ideas. 13:20:25 Joaquin: I can try to do this. 13:20:38 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF 13:20:42 zakim, mute me 13:20:42 jsalvachua should now be muted 13:20:56 yes. i will do it 13:21:12 ACTION: joaquin to write up draft scoping and definition for portability and architecture task force. 13:21:12 Created ACTION-33 - Write up draft scoping and definition for portability and architecture task force. [on joaquin Salvachua - due 2009-06-17]. 13:21:42 RESOLVED: Next week about context, week after portability. 13:22:06 zakim, agenda? 13:22:06 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda: 13:22:07 2. General Organization and Task Forces [from tpa] 13:22:08 3. Optional Face-to-Face Meeting [from tpa] 13:22:10 4. Invited Guests [from tpa] 13:22:11 5. Creating User Stories on the Wiki [from tpa] 13:22:12 DKA: we took a decision to do the next call around Portability? We need a mission statement and a leader the Context and Privacy TF, maybe Claudio? 13:22:13 6. Social Network Matrix [from tpa] 13:22:15 7. Possible Portability Task Force Meeting?: FOAF Brainstorming [from tpa] 13:22:20 Zakim, q+ 13:22:20 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:22:24 zakim, next agendum 13:22:24 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, DKA 13:22:28 I can't talk but I can type in 13:22:29 move to next agendum 13:22:29 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tpa 13:22:30 TOPIC: Optional Face-to-Face Meeting 13:22:37 zakim, next agendum? 13:22:37 I don't understand your question, DKA. 13:22:49 ack hhalpin 13:22:53 move to next agendum 13:22:53 agendum 3. "Optional Face-to-Face Meeting" taken up [from tpa] 13:22:57 Claudio made leader in abstentia ? 13:23:24 Harry: propose to meet at TPAC or the Internet Identify Workshop 13:23:26 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events 13:23:50 ... entrance fee is low, around $60 hotel and travel not included 13:23:58 we should have a meeting 13:24:03 fee is $50/day 13:24:08 the objectives? 13:24:08 ... Do we want to meet at TPAC? 13:24:09 last one was in Europe, good to have on in USA 13:24:15 ... Usually fun and nice. 13:24:20 The main problem is we NEED to tell W3C asap. 13:24:23 DKA: we need to take the W3C up on this offer 13:24:24 I enjoyed the spain one 13:24:28 Which two days? 13:24:32 One meeting? 13:24:35 open meeting? 13:24:43 Zakim, q+ 13:24:43 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:24:56 ... and bring additional people from the community, participants from start-ups and other companies that may not be participating in W3C 13:25:15 q? 13:25:18 ack hh 13:25:20 .... but we need to communicate to W3C what our requirements are, for example a bigger room on one of the days 13:25:41 Harry: the main issue is really if we can get 10 people minimum there, otherwise it's not worth doing 13:25:44 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/November2009Events 13:25:54 ... the other thing is that there is this Internet Identify Workshop running in parallel 13:26:14 is the internet identity workshop at exactly the same time? 13:26:14 ... lot of the OAuth, XRI, Facebook, Myspace people would be at that workshop. 13:26:38 ... it runs a little shorter than TPAC and in another building down the road 13:26:48 ... maybe pick ?? as the open day? 13:26:56 Frisay 13:26:59 Friday 13:27:01 1 13:27:01 http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html 13:27:01 s/??/Friday/ 13:27:09 1 13:27:10 DKA: who would be able to attend? 13:27:13 wonsuk has joined #swxg 13:27:15 i would likely be able to 13:27:16 probably not :-( 13:27:18 i would like to go, but i cannot commit to it 13:27:23 I'd like to, but a bit difficult to say at this point, as there are a lot of unknows with Oracle takeover between now and then 13:27:24 probably not. 13:27:26 +1 for TPAC 13:27:26 not sure, depend if i get funding from university 13:27:32 most likely not :( 13:27:57 a few days, actually 13:28:12 Harry: for researchers you could work in around the Semantic Web conference in DC 13:28:36 [ACTION] Harry to open poll about the subject 13:28:56 ACTION: Harry to open poll about the subject 13:28:56 Created ACTION-34 - Open poll about the subject [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-06-17]. 13:29:05 plus there should be a lot of people in the bay area 13:29:08 that can come 13:29:42 Harry: we should move fast and book the room 13:29:52 ... with TPAC 13:29:52 maybe link it to the November 2009 events wiki page 13:29:55 RESOLVED: Book a room for TPAC 2009. 13:30:23 Harry: Christine also proposed another idea which was to do another workshop 13:31:06 DKA: I see the open day at TPAC being the same thing as doing another XG workshop 13:31:14 Also, Ian Jacobs of W3C wanted to have a open day. 13:31:19 ... it's more cost effective to do it inside TPAC 13:31:22 +[IPcaller] 13:31:44 Harry: doing it inside TPAC fulfills other requirements as well 13:31:47 hhalpin: what is the other semweb conference at the same time? 13:32:10 zakim, agenda? 13:32:10 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 13:32:11 3. Optional Face-to-Face Meeting [from tpa] 13:32:12 4. Invited Guests [from tpa] 13:32:13 5. Creating User Stories on the Wiki [from tpa] 13:32:14 6. Social Network Matrix [from tpa] 13:32:15 7. Possible Portability Task Force Meeting?: FOAF Brainstorming [from tpa] 13:32:21 next agendum? 13:32:25 TOPIC: Invited Guests 13:32:42 notes that for people like myself who are into the Semantic Web, International Semantic Web Conference: http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/ 13:32:48 move to next agendum 13:32:48 agendum 4. "Invited Guests" taken up [from tpa] 13:33:00 Harry: Karl was talking to the open microblogging people 13:33:05 lubna has joined #swxg 13:33:37 zakim, lubna is +[IPcaller] 13:33:37 sorry, rreck, I do not recognize a party named 'lubna' 13:33:44 Karl: had a mail exchange with Ivan ??, not available right now, will be back at the end of June, interested, we need to figure what we want him to talk about 13:34:02 s/Ivan ??/Evan/ 13:34:13 q+ 13:34:14 ... There's no issue about having him as an invited guest, we just need to work with him to define what he'll be talking to us about. 13:34:19 ack hh 13:34:21 s/Ivan??/Evan/ 13:34:26 zakim, +[IPcaller] is lubna 13:34:26 sorry, rreck, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' 13:34:31 mib_spgdtxck has joined #swxg 13:34:31 zakim, [IPcaller] is lubna 13:34:31 +lubna; got it 13:34:44 Harry: there are a lot of interesting subjects around microblogging, XMPP and OAuth 13:35:17 SIOC is not a million miles away either. 13:35:21 ... XMPP to do Google Wave-type microblogging, OAuth working in the back, etc. 13:35:48 ... Asking him point blank "what do you want W3C to do with this?", why and how to standardize microblogging 13:35:55 ... SIOC is also related 13:36:05 How do I join the speaker queue again 13:36:10 q+ Cloud 13:36:35 John: I talked to Evan and the microblogging people 13:36:49 Also of interest - http://wiki.sioc-project.org/index.php/IdenticaSiocData 13:37:00 http://gitorious.org/openmicroblogging/mainline/blobs/master/openmicroblogging.txt 13:37:07 john: they can ping as many microblogs to send over 13:37:15 john: data is stored using SIOC and FOAF 13:37:22 I came across this possibly related effort recently: http://twitterdata.org/ 13:37:49 Harry: John, what's the relationship between open microblogging & semantic microblogging ? 13:38:03 John: we try to make them compatible but haven't gotten there 13:38:03 john: we wanted to allow the client/server system to work with open-microblogging 13:38:05 Related to twitterdata.org - http://www.microsyntax.org/ http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec 13:38:15 john: we are allowing people to embed semantics inside microblogs themselves 13:38:30 ... but we can allow the micrblogged content distributed across different sites 13:38:53 ... we could use twitterdata, starpriority, microsyntax, which look at embedding RDF or microformat-like semantic syntax into microblog posts 13:39:16 Harry: sounds like there's 2 distincts things going on 13:39:41 ... 1) is transfer of the messages and 2) how to embed semantics inside a message 13:39:59 smob looked at the embedding of semantics 13:40:10 ... maybe do a separate call on (2) later on? Could be a productive meeting to have? 13:40:33 http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec is my RDF-in-microblogging idea. It's a bit crazy, but works. 13:40:47 http://www.microsyntax.org/ 13:40:50 DKA: if anybody has any contact working on Twitter data, microsyntax efforts, etc. it would be nice to have them on the 1st of July call 13:41:00 That is more "microformats for microblogs" 13:41:20 Thanks tinkster! 13:41:26 ACTION: Karl to follow up with Evan, see if that date works. 13:41:26 Created ACTION-35 - Follow up with Evan, see if that date works. [on Karl Dubost - due 2009-06-17]. 13:41:28 Also relevant - http://microformats.org/wiki/picoformats 13:41:48 RDF could be considered a kiloformat :) 13:41:57 I think pico is as small as anyone's gone so far. 13:42:00 Zakim, q+ 13:42:00 I see Cloud, hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:42:08 ack hh 13:42:23 Harry: we haven't actually included XMPP or DataPortability folks yet 13:42:26 http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-nanoformats (a thousand times bigger than picoformats?) 13:42:28 Also http://civilities.net/Star_Priority_Notation 13:42:49 ... maybe continue that action and try to get them on the line 13:42:57 http://m2bp.pbworks.com/ 13:43:03 Media 2.0 Best Practices 13:43:11 Its mostly a sort manifesto about user rights over data. 13:44:06 ACTION: Harry to make DKA's day [RESOLVED] 13:44:06 Created ACTION-36 - Make DKA's day [RESOLVED] [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-06-17]. 13:44:18 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP 13:45:06 Update from hajons or cperey, or continue actions? 13:45:08 it is just part of the Invited Guests list 13:45:32 [CONTINUE] ACTION: hakon to ask Terry Eagle and Sandy Pentland for guest telecon 13:45:34 - +1.510.931.aadd 13:45:42 Zakim, who's making noise? 13:46:03 zakim, agenda? 13:46:04 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 13:46:04 move to next agendum 13:46:05 4. Invited Guests [from tpa] 13:46:06 5. Creating User Stories on the Wiki [from tpa] 13:46:07 6. Social Network Matrix [from tpa] 13:46:08 7. Possible Portability Task Force Meeting?: FOAF Brainstorming [from tpa] 13:46:12 tpa, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +2 (55%) 13:46:16 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tpa 13:46:18 TOPIC: Creating User Stories on the Wiki 13:46:26 q? 13:46:40 q- Cloud 13:46:41 move to next agendum 13:46:46 agendum 5. "Creating User Stories on the Wiki" taken up [from tpa] 13:47:07 DKA: people have been listing and annotating user stories 13:47:11 i agree we should refine the userstories 13:47:16 ... is it worth assigning an editor to those? 13:47:20 +1 for editor or two editors to user stories 13:47:20 +1 on focused discussion of user stories 13:47:27 ... Could be good to add some consistency to them. 13:47:37 +1 focused discussion 13:47:37 or create a new one 13:47:44 at a different day/time 13:47:45 Harry: If someone could take responsibility for this, that'd be great, then we could take a telecon to discuss them. 13:47:56 DKA: has anybody been particularly active with the user stories? 13:47:58 ACTION: hhalpin to make a calendar of topics for upcoming Social Web XGs 13:47:58 Created ACTION-37 - Make a calendar of topics for upcoming Social Web XGs [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-06-17]. 13:48:34 1st July Semantic Microblogging ++ 13:48:34 DKA: if the 1st of July is too soon for a microblogging call, maybe dedicate it instead to user stories? 13:48:42 +1 focused discussion 13:48:43 DKA: anybody in playing an editorial role on user stories? 13:48:47 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories 13:49:00 not all at once 13:49:17 Tim Anglade volunteers to edit stories? 13:49:44 Tim Anglade volunteers! 13:49:51 Tim: volunteers, but not very involved with stories so far, would accept help. 13:50:08 + +1.510.931.aakk 13:50:13 Zakim, q+ 13:50:13 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:50:21 ACTION: Tim to W3C-style "edit" user stories on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories 13:50:21 Created ACTION-38 - W3C-style "edit" user stories on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories [on Tim Anglade - due 2009-06-17]. 13:50:28 ah we are on user stories 13:51:03 I can be co-editor with Tim if he wants help. 13:51:13 DKA: we need to come up with an action plan or set of recommendations about what we like, or what we need to fill the next ones correctly 13:51:18 Fabien Gandon 13:51:20 ... would be useful from an editorial perspective 13:51:35 Fabien: volunteers to co-edit the user stories with Tim. 13:51:45 yes there is a lot of difference between the User Stories. Some of them are very simple, some are extreemly long and complex 13:52:09 Harry: with the Matrix, Christine was asking why we were drafting yet another list of Social Networks 13:52:33 ED ? 13:52:35 s/Matrix/matrix/ 13:53:12 DKA: annotate the stories on the same page to see how people interact with social media 13:53:26 ... one of the outputs of that is something that could be digestable by a non-technical audience 13:53:46 ... and here's how they map with the technologies out of the community 13:53:54 +1 13:54:14 yes, I wonder if info about the US should be on the same page as the technologies that can be used to implement them 13:54:35 DKA: the matrix should be next to the user stories. Maybe figure that out on July 1st 13:55:06 ... during the call, live edit the wiki page and structure it all out. 13:55:37 Sounds good to me. 13:55:43 do you intend to link use cases with specific community services? 13:55:44 TOPIC: Social Network Matrix 13:55:56 move to next agendum 13:55:56 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tpa 13:55:58 q? 13:56:01 q- hhalpin 13:56:03 move to next agendum 13:56:03 agendum 6. "Social Network Matrix" taken up [from tpa] 13:56:16 sorry, no voice 13:56:26 Harry: Christine was talking about the matrix, Christine? 13:56:41 but the theme has been that we need to have more definitions 13:56:48 at least that was a question I asked 13:56:52 what was "in" and why 13:57:01 the danger of a matrix is that it max show us what exists currently, but not show where to go. Or the past may overwhelm the future 13:57:07 i.e. how do we define "Social Network"? 13:57:08 the list could be infinite 13:57:16 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites 13:57:24 I find the user stories more interesting 13:57:26 also, it's hard to figure out where to put some initiatives in the matrices I've seen so far 13:57:41 agree entirely 13:57:51 could one of the sections (in the wiki / final report) be about looking forward 13:58:18 DKA: my interest is not so much in the popular community services, but the community services that are kind of popping up 13:58:22 I will sign off in 1.5 minutes 13:58:30 ... but it's a moving target, so it's hard to keep a document up-to-date for that 13:58:35 but, of course, it is good to have a list of sites, as a basis to develop ideas on how they could leverage a social web to make it easier for their users 13:58:39 So is the idea of the matrix to show the specific functionalities that are similar and different on different social networking sites? 13:58:42 - +2 13:59:12 http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/02/27/oslo-accord-pushes-location-sharing-between-social-networks/ 13:59:45 DKA: other thoughts on the matrix, maybe do a review, add some additional information? 14:00:00 -cperey 14:00:05 Harry: no one wants to do that (apparently) 14:00:43 ... From the use case document, we could extract functionalities, potential functionalities and do other matrices by other definitions 14:01:12 ... list them by website, to be able to compare 14:01:19 agree with hhalpin 14:01:23 ... Sort of an empirical grounding of the functionality that we want 14:01:25 +1 14:01:28 +1 14:01:42 +1 14:01:56 ... Maybe exhibit popular networks that, as it turns out, don't offer much in the way of functionalities, etc. 14:01:57 +1 14:01:59 it's a bit of a ltater process. 14:02:18 it's a bit of a later process, it's less important than the user stories and best practices. 14:02:22 DKA: if we can find data that shows these companies or services open themselves up, use those particular technologies and have been reporting success 14:02:30 but I thought we could at least get the matrix together. 14:02:33 could allow ranking of sns by adoption of standards? 14:02:42 ... Show they don't do it just because it's open but because it brings success, it could be a good argument 14:02:44 +1 matthew 14:02:52 it would be nice to see which userstories could apply to which networking sites 14:02:54 ... We should be collecting that information as well, from an industry perspective 14:03:13 +1 rreck 14:03:19 the matrix gives a background picture of what is happening. So in some ideas one can look at what the sites do and then imagine how one could do the same in an open web 14:03:24 Harry: the user stories could be important as well, by the time our guidelines emerge from those use cases, we'd have enough to boostrap a list 14:03:33 Shall we adjourn meeting? 14:03:33 DKA: we need to end the call 14:03:41 DKA: move to adjourn 14:03:41 bye all! 14:03:46 Thanks everyone - bye! 14:03:54 Adjourn meeting 14:03:58 -tinkster 14:03:59 -karl 14:04:00 thanks, adios 14:04:04 -FabGandon 14:04:05 is this all for today? I thought it was going on for 2 hours 14:04:06 thanks 14:04:07 DKA: next call will be about Context 14:04:11 bye 14:04:11 -DKA 14:04:14 Zakim, bye 14:04:14 leaving. As of this point the attendees were tpa, +1.314.683.aaaa, +4222aabb, DKA, tinkster, rreck, Carine, +34.91.549.aacc, +1.510.931.aadd, +4222aaee, +2, pchampin, karl, 14:04:14 Zakim has left #swxg 14:04:17 ... +1.425.498.aagg, jsalvachua, Cloud, HarryH, +1.781.273.aahh, MacTed, FabGandon, +1.617.848.aaii, cperey, +1.203.276.aajj, lubna, +1.510.931.aakk 14:04:41 cya 14:04:41 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:04:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin 14:04:55 tinkter - did you get CVS access? 14:05:04 jsalvachua has left #swxg 14:05:15 Don't think so. 14:06:14 tinkster1 has joined #swxg 14:06:59 oh well, that gives me time to work on my next conf call 14:07:09 :) 14:07:14 same here... 14:07:33 caribou has left #swxg 14:08:06 I am thinking we should spend some time just going through the use cases we have 14:08:26 cleaning them up. Perhaps that was part of the agenda anyhow 14:08:29 i think seeing what they have in common is important 14:09:46 bblfish - I think ACTION-38 is the clean-up 14:09:59 rrsagent, make log public 14:10:18 Will go through minutes later today and send them out. 14:10:20 ah ok, keep me in the loop on that please 14:10:32 (in action 38) 14:11:12 RRSAgent, bye 14:11:12 I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-actions.rdf : 14:11:12 ACTION: hhalpin to start putting agenda on wiki day after meeting [1] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-11-02 14:11:12 ACTION: joaquin to write up draft scoping and definition for portability and architecture task force. [2] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-21-12 14:11:12 ACTION: Harry to open poll about the subject [3] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-28-56 14:11:12 ACTION: Karl to follow up with Evan, see if that date works. [4] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-41-26 14:11:12 ACTION: Harry to make DKA's day [RESOLVED] [5] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-44-06 14:11:12 ACTION: hhalpin to make a calendar of topics for upcoming Social Web XGs [6] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-47-58 14:11:12 ACTION: Tim to W3C-style "edit" user stories on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories [7] 14:11:12 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/10-swxg-irc#T13-50-21