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14:49:31 <ChrisW> sandro?
14:49:50 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
14:49:50 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:56 <ChrisW> Chair: Chris Welty
14:50:09 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 9-Jun-09
14:50:13 <ChrisW> Agenda:
14:50:25 <ChrisW> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jun/0041.html
14:50:37 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 9 Jun RIF Telecon, Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jun/0041.html
14:50:55 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
14:50:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
14:51:21 <ChrisW> agenda+ Admin
14:51:26 <ChrisW> agenda+ Liason
14:51:30 <ChrisW> agenda+ Action Review
14:51:35 <ChrisW> agenda+ LC Pubs
14:51:42 <ChrisW> agenda+ rdf:text
14:51:48 <ChrisW> agenda+ Test Cases!
14:51:52 <ChrisW> agenda+ AOB
14:51:59 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
14:55:12 <csma> csma has joined #rif
14:55:40 <ChrisW> Regrets: MichaelKifer AdrianPaschke JosDeBruijn ChanghaiKe
14:56:18 <csma> list items
14:56:29 <csma> zakim, list agenda
14:56:29 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
14:56:31 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
14:56:31 <Zakim> 2. Liason [from ChrisW]
14:56:32 <Zakim> 3. Action Review [from ChrisW]
14:56:32 <Zakim> 4. LC Pubs [from ChrisW]
14:56:33 <Zakim> 5. rdf:text [from ChrisW]
14:56:33 <Zakim> 6. Test Cases! [from ChrisW]
14:56:34 <Zakim> 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
14:56:44 <sandro> sorry, no tracker for now.
14:56:44 <ChrisW> we're all set
14:56:50 <ChrisW> ok
14:57:15 <sandro> and not much of a www.w3.org.   (it's under massive (probably accidental) assault at the moment.)
14:57:27 <ChrisW> yes, very very slow
14:57:34 <ChrisW> and you want to host ontologies.....
14:57:48 <sandro> :-)
14:59:41 <sandro> I gather we're getting > 5000 requests per second for /TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd from many different locations.     Fun fun.
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15:00:55 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
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15:01:20 <Zakim> +??P33
15:01:27 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:01:29 <csma> zakim, ??P33 is me
15:01:29 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:01:39 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
15:01:39 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
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15:01:59 <sandro> csma, I suggest you invest in a local copy.  perhaps you can load it once, then take a pen and paper and write it down, for future reference?
15:02:24 <Zakim> +??P60
15:02:52 <ChrisW> sandro, can you get to the actions list?
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15:03:33 <Zakim> +Stella_Mitchell
15:03:38 <ChrisW> Scribe: DaveReynolds
15:03:40 <sandro> trying, Chris
15:03:51 <DaveReynolds> scribenick: DaveReynolds
15:03:51 <csma> I got it
15:03:54 <ChrisW> i got it
15:04:04 <Zakim> +Leora_Morgenstern
15:04:47 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:05:28 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
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15:06:16 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:06:39 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:06:40 <ChrisW>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jun/att-0036/2009-05-26-rif-minutes.html
15:06:53 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: approve minutes of May 26 telecon
15:07:02 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approve minutes of May 26 telecon
15:07:04 <csma> zakim, Hassan_Ait8kaci is hak
15:07:04 <Zakim> sorry, csma, I do not recognize a party named 'Hassan_Ait8kaci'
15:07:10 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Jun/att-0027/rif-telecon-090602.html
15:07:18 <csma> zakim, Hassan_Ait_Kaci is hak
15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, csma, I do not recognize a party named 'Hassan_Ait_Kaci'
15:07:23 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approve minutes of June 2 telecon
15:07:37 <csma> zakim, Hassan_Ait-Kaci is hak
15:07:37 <Zakim> +hak; got it
15:07:45 <ChrisW> next item
15:07:57 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 2
15:07:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:08:28 <Harold> Harold has joined #rif
15:08:44 <DaveReynolds> Sandro: OWL WG has PR meeting tomorrow
15:09:02 <ChrisW> s/PR/CR/
15:09:31 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:09:43 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:09:43 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:09:45 <DaveReynolds> csma: Paul sent email message regarding PRR meeting which will discuss RIF/PRR alignment
15:09:49 <Zakim> +klanz2
15:10:13 <DaveReynolds> csma: suggestion for RIF to be concrete syntax for PRR
15:10:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, klanz2 is probably me
15:10:15 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres?; got it
15:10:35 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:10:35 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:10:41 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:10:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:10:46 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 3
15:10:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action Review" taken up [from ChrisW]
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15:11:09 <csma> yes
15:11:31 <Zakim> +Gary
15:11:38 <DaveReynolds> action-837 - started process of listing questions, action still open
15:11:39 <csma> 833 continued :-(
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15:12:15 <DaveReynolds> action-830 closed
15:12:43 <DaveReynolds> action-829 completed (by Chris)#
15:13:16 <DaveReynolds> action-828 pending-review
15:13:34 <csma> will do it right now
15:14:24 <csma> continued
15:14:29 <csma> and continued
15:15:03 <DaveReynolds> action-777 closed (no long needed)
15:15:17 <csma> 827 is complete
15:15:17 <hak> continued ...
15:16:08 <DaveReynolds> Pending review reviews ..
15:16:14 <DaveReynolds> action-836 closed
15:16:32 <DaveReynolds> action-835 closed
15:16:45 <DaveReynolds> action-834 closed
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15:17:33 <DaveReynolds> action-823 - a few outstanding items?
15:17:55 <DaveReynolds> Editorial question on abridged compact URIs?  Axel believes it to have been done.
15:19:54 <DaveReynolds> Reference to symbol spaces also done.
15:19:59 <DaveReynolds> action-823 closed
15:20:05 <DaveReynolds> action-819 closed
15:20:35 <DaveReynolds> action-765 closed
15:20:58 <csma> zakim, unmute me
15:20:58 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
15:21:24 <DaveReynolds> action-762 closed
15:21:41 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
15:21:41 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
15:21:42 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
15:21:42 <Zakim> 3. Action Review [from ChrisW]
15:21:43 <Zakim> 4. LC Pubs [from ChrisW]
15:21:43 <Zakim> 5. rdf:text [from ChrisW]
15:21:44 <Zakim> 6. Test Cases! [from ChrisW]
15:21:44 <Zakim> 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
15:21:50 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 4
15:21:50 <Zakim> agendum 4. "LC Pubs" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:22:13 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:22:13 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:22:21 <DaveReynolds> Chris: Core is complete, all pending items in resolution have been completed and reviewed.
15:23:00 <DaveReynolds> Chris: BLD is complete except for comment on slight inconsistency in treatment of empty groups.
15:23:02 <trackbot> ACTION-823 Review changes to BLD closed
15:23:02 <trackbot> ACTION-819 Add append to DTB closed
15:23:09 <trackbot> ACTION-765 Make the references be to XML schema 1.1 in all RIF documents closed
15:23:10 <trackbot> ACTION-762 Amends the XML schema for Core. closed
15:23:42 <DaveReynolds> Chris: EBNF says groups can be empty, but not explicitly covered in math english and semantics
15:24:30 <ChrisW> action: harold to update groups in BLD syntax and semantics by today
15:24:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-838 - Update groups in BLD syntax and semantics by today [on Harold Boley - due 2009-06-16].
15:24:31 <DaveReynolds> action Harold: amend BLD treatment of empty groups to be consistent
15:24:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-839 - Amend BLD treatment of empty groups to be consistent [on Harold Boley - due 2009-06-16].
15:26:52 <DaveReynolds> Harold: [discussion with Sandro on wiki formatting problems with the sublist, currently not valid html, Sandro will look at it]
15:27:34 <DaveReynolds> Chris: SWC all actions closed except for "fix or remove proof" (action-831)
15:27:48 <csma> q+
15:27:55 <csma> ack csma
15:28:10 <LeoraMorgenstern> They should be marked as not having been checked.
15:28:31 <LeoraMorgenstern> This makes it more understandable if a mistake is later found.
15:28:52 <LeoraMorgenstern> (Just a note saying that they have not yet been checked, but will be checked in the future.)
15:28:54 <DaveReynolds> Dave not as scribe - agreed leave them there but marked.
15:28:56 <AxelPolleres> +1 to leave the proofs.
15:29:17 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:29:17 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:29:19 <DaveReynolds> csma: leave the proofs in there to allow people to check
15:29:25 <LeoraMorgenstern> In my experience, proofs that seem okay but have not been checked almost always are later found to have errors.
15:29:53 <Harold> "This proof is at risk" ;-)
15:30:03 <LeoraMorgenstern> Harold, I think that is too strong. ;)
15:30:12 <ChrisW> action: chrisw to check with Jos about publishing proofs anyway
15:30:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - chrisw
15:30:17 <ChrisW> action: chris to check with Jos about publishing proofs anyway
15:30:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-840 - Check with Jos about publishing proofs anyway [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-06-16].
15:30:50 <DaveReynolds> Chris: DTB, all done?
15:32:24 <DaveReynolds> Sandro: current refers to wiki page for rdf:PlainLiteral which is on a separate wiki so xref needs to be changed to template. Sandro will fix.
15:33:27 <DaveReynolds> Axel: have editor's note that PlainLiteral type is at risk, should we remove it?
15:33:38 <DaveReynolds> Sandro, Chris: yes remove it.
15:35:23 <csma> zakim, unmute me
15:35:23 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
15:35:57 <DaveReynolds> Chris: PRD. Issue on equivalence of two forms.
15:36:23 <DaveReynolds> Chris: could leave both and see if anyone spots the difference.
15:36:47 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:36:47 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:37:06 <csma> q+
15:37:13 <csma> ack csma
15:37:40 <DaveReynolds> s/forms/forms of describing the condition semantics (operational, declarative)/
15:37:46 <DaveReynolds> Chris: second PRD issue, safeness
15:38:04 <DaveReynolds> csma: would like version of Core definition which is more easily extensible to PRD
15:38:13 <DaveReynolds> s/definition/safeness definition/
15:38:43 <AxelPolleres> AT RISK notes for rdf:PlainLiteral have been removed: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/index.php?title=DTB&diff=10137&oldid=10092
15:38:49 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PRD_Safeness_Bottomup
15:38:51 <AxelPolleres> ... in DTB
15:39:12 <DaveReynolds> csma: attempted bottom up definition of safeness based on Core definition, intended to be equivalent to Jos' definition in Core then extension to PRD
15:39:14 <AxelPolleres> ... remaining Editor's Notes, AFAIK were agreed to remain in the LC version.
15:40:06 <DaveReynolds> csma: discussed with Jos, corrected some ambiguities, Jos would agree with using this form for definition in Core if it checks out
15:40:39 <DaveReynolds> csma: Jos may be able to check the definition tomorrow
15:41:43 <DaveReynolds> csma: if that's not possible, then fallback is to use Gary's definition
15:42:30 <DaveReynolds> Chris: if change definition tomorrow there will be no time to check before publication
15:43:05 <DaveReynolds> Csma: it is a short definition (< 1A4 page), same approach as core but starts from elements and compose instead of reverse
15:44:05 <DaveReynolds> Gary: happy so long as the PRD definition can be seen as an extension of Core but not been able to review csma's proposal
15:45:00 <DaveReynolds> Chris: suggest publish what we have now, if later change both Core and PRD definitions then regard it as just a bug fix since the new version is intended to be equivalent
15:45:40 <DaveReynolds> csma: not happy with have the full dense definition of safeness in PRD for the point of the PRD audience, so have the bulk in Core is preferable.
15:46:04 <DaveReynolds> Gary: so the proposal is the change the definition in Core to use csma's bottom up style?
15:46:08 <DaveReynolds> cmsa: yes
15:46:20 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PRD_Safeness_Bottomup
15:47:01 <DaveReynolds> Chris: would need people to review both Core and PRD versions by tomorrow
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15:50:42 <ChrisW> action: Gary to review new safeness
15:50:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-841 - Review new safeness [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-06-16].
15:51:24 <ChrisW> action: daveR to provide some feedback on new safeness by tomorrow
15:51:24 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daveR
15:51:32 <ChrisW> action: dave to provide some feedback on new safeness by tomorrow
15:51:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-842 - Provide some feedback on new safeness by tomorrow [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-06-16].
15:52:04 <ChrisW> action: csma to remove current PRD safeness definition, and prepare to "plug in" new one
15:52:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-843 - Remove current PRD safeness definition, and prepare to "plug in" new one [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-06-16].
15:53:22 <ChrisW> PLAN: use new safeness text in CORE and PRD if approved by all reviewers by tomorrow (6/10), otherwise go with Gary's text in PRD and leave CORE as is
15:55:00 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:55:00 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:55:14 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
15:55:14 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
15:55:15 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from ChrisW]
15:55:15 <Zakim> 3. Action Review [from ChrisW]
15:55:16 <Zakim> 4. LC Pubs [from ChrisW]
15:55:16 <Zakim> 5. rdf:text [from ChrisW]
15:55:18 <Zakim> 6. Test Cases! [from ChrisW]
15:55:20 <Zakim> 7. AOB [from ChrisW]
15:55:22 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 5
15:55:22 <Zakim> agendum 5. "rdf:text" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:56:05 <DaveReynolds> Chris: we approved subject to Axel's review and Axel was OK with it.
15:56:09 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 6
15:56:09 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases!" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:56:41 <DaveReynolds> Sandro: aim to publish LC documents Thursday
15:57:49 <DaveReynolds> Chris: outstanding action of improving description of chaining strategies test cases, should review those
15:57:52 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Chaining_strategy_numeric-add_1
15:58:42 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Chaining_strategy_numeric-add_2
15:59:15 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Chaining_strategy_numeric-subtract_1
15:59:58 <csma> Yes, it is in Core
16:00:14 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:00:31 <mdean> I've got another telecon
16:00:35 <DaveReynolds> Gary: numeric-add-1 is safe and should be labelled as Core
16:01:51 <csma> numeric-substract-2 should be Core too
16:02:48 <Harold> RE: Created ACTION-838 - Update groups in BLD syntax and semantics by today [on Harold Boley - due 2009-06-16]. DONE.
16:03:35 <DaveReynolds> Chris: for numeric-subtract-1 the final "Note ..." part of the description seems like it is another test case.
16:03:47 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Chaining_strategy_numeric-subtract_2
16:04:00 <csma> ... is in Core
16:04:42 <DaveReynolds> Chris so action-581 is closed
16:04:53 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Factorial_Forward_Chaining
16:05:12 <Zakim> -hak
16:06:23 <ChrisW> action: stella go over test cases for core/bld/prd 
16:06:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-844 - Go over test cases for core/bld/prd  [on Stella Mitchell - due 2009-06-16].
16:06:32 <csma> Looks good to me. At least, it is safe
16:06:50 <csma> According to all the definitions of safe that I understand :-)
16:08:07 <DaveReynolds> Chris: suggest extending definition to explain why this version is safe
16:08:43 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: approve test case Factorial Forward Chaining
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16:08:48 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: approve test case Factorial Forward Chaining
16:09:00 <ChrisW> +1
16:09:01 <StellaMitchell> +1
16:09:15 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:09:15 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:09:19 <Harold> +1
16:09:19 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:10:33 <DaveReynolds> csma: the three factorial examples should cross link via SeeAlso
16:10:37 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:10:37 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:10:51 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approve test case Factorial Forward Chaining
16:11:02 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Factorial_Relational
16:11:33 <StellaMitchell> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/YoungParentDiscount_1
16:13:28 <DaveReynolds> Axel: this is a test case for the guard predicates and uses old syntax
16:17:00 <DaveReynolds> Chris: with this data the second rule will not fire, is it worth adding something to trigger that, e.g. someone with age as a string.
16:19:24 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/YoungParentDiscount_1
16:19:27 <ChrisW> +1
16:19:33 <StellaMitchell> +1
16:19:48 <DaveReynolds> Should this be in Core?
16:20:07 <csma> no
16:20:26 <DaveReynolds> Gary: no, can't have membership in conclusion
16:20:32 <Harold> +1
16:20:33 <LeoraMorgenstern> 1
16:20:34 <DaveReynolds> +1
16:20:37 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:20:38 <LeoraMorgenstern> I mean, +1
16:20:38 <Gary> +1
16:20:44 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/YoungParentDiscount_1
16:22:18 <ChrisW> NEXT TELECON: TWO WEEKS (JUNE 23)
16:22:22 <DaveReynolds> Chris: move to new telecon schedule, so next in two weeks 
16:22:41 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:22:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma (muted), ChrisW, DaveReynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, Harold, AxelPolleres?, Gary
16:22:55 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:22:55 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:23:02 <DaveReynolds> Chris: want people to review outstanding test cases for next telecon
16:23:40 <ChrisW> ACTION: csma to review All_Builtins, Assert, and AssertRetract
16:23:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-845 - Review All_Builtins, Assert, and AssertRetract [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-06-16].
16:23:51 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:23:51 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:24:08 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Proposed
16:25:06 <ChrisW> ACTION: DaveReynolds to review RDF_Constant_Equivalence and RDF Invalid constants test cases
16:25:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DaveReynolds
16:25:15 <ChrisW> ACTION: Dave to review RDF_Constant_Equivalence and RDF Invalid constants test cases
16:25:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-846 - Review RDF_Constant_Equivalence and RDF Invalid constants test cases [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-06-16].
16:25:32 <ChrisW> action: Harold to review Class Membership and Frames test cases
16:25:54 <AxelPolleres> I still owe the all-builtins use case completion... there is an action alredy.
16:26:05 <ChrisW> action: Stella to review RDF Combination subclass test cases
16:26:48 <ChrisW> Leora to review NestedLists and NotAssertRetract test cases
16:26:52 <ChrisW> Action: Leora to review NestedLists and NotAssertRetract test cases
16:27:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-847 - Review Class Membership and Frames test cases [on Harold Boley - due 2009-06-16].
16:27:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-848 - Review RDF Combination subclass test cases [on Stella Mitchell - due 2009-06-16].
16:27:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-849 - Review NestedLists and NotAssertRetract test cases [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2009-06-16].
16:28:05 <ChrisW> action: Chris to review Element Equality, and List* test cases
16:28:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-850 - Review Element Equality, and List* test cases [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-06-16].
16:28:42 <ChrisW> action: Sandro to review Malformed Lists, Modify, Modify loop, and Modify noloop test cases
16:28:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-851 - Review Malformed Lists, Modify, Modify loop, and Modify noloop test cases [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-06-16].
16:29:21 <ChrisW> action: Gary to review Multiple* test cases
16:29:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-852 - Review Multiple* test cases [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-06-16].
16:29:32 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:29:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma (muted), ChrisW, DaveReynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, Harold, AxelPolleres?, Gary
16:29:55 <Zakim> -Stella_Mitchell
16:30:01 <Zakim> -Harold
16:30:01 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:30:02 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
16:30:02 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:30:02 <Zakim> -Gary
16:30:04 <ChrisW> zakim, list attendees
16:30:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mike_Dean, csma, ChrisW, DaveReynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, hak, Harold, AxelPolleres?, Gary
16:30:23 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:30:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:31:01 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres?
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16:36:07 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:36:08 <Zakim> -csma
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16:36:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike_Dean, csma, ChrisW, DaveReynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Leora_Morgenstern, Sandro, hak, Harold, AxelPolleres?, Gary
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