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12:01:19 <joakim> chair: Joakim
12:02:07 <Zakim> +wonsuk
12:02:50 <joakim> regrets: chris
12:02:51 <Zakim> + +0436991876aacc
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12:03:48 <joakim> zakim, 0436991876aacc is werner
12:03:48 <Zakim> sorry, joakim, I do not recognize a party named '0436991876aacc'
12:03:54 <joakim> zakim, aacc is werner
12:03:54 <Zakim> +werner; got it
12:03:59 <veroniqueM> hi! I will not be able to join on the phone, other meetings going on at the same time, but I will follow on IRC
12:04:09 <joakim> hi welcome!
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12:05:42 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:05:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose werner
12:05:50 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:05:50 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +46.1.07.19.aabb
12:06:11 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:06:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P0
12:06:32 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:06:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P1
12:07:16 <Zakim> +Thierry
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12:07:41 <florian> scribe: florian
12:07:43 <joakim> Scribe: Florian
12:08:06 <joakim>  http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html
12:08:25 <florian> minutes accepted
12:08:40 <florian> next telecon: 16.06
12:09:18 <Zakim> +??P13
12:09:22 <florian> no telecon at 23.06. because of he F2F in Stockholm
12:10:10 <Zakim> + +95177aadd
12:10:18 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html
12:10:22 <pchampin> zakim, aadd is me
12:10:22 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
12:10:48 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html
12:11:19 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:12:10 <florian> ACTION-43: ongoing
12:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-43 Check XMP rating notes added
12:12:24 <florian> ACTION-47: ongoing
12:12:24 <trackbot> ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
12:14:32 <florian> Joakim: wants to know the meaning of Action-105
12:15:06 <florian> Wonsuk: coming up with some vocabulary, terminology, ...
12:15:30 <florian> ACTION-105: ongoing
12:15:30 <trackbot> ACTION-105 Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types notes added
12:16:22 <florian> Joakim: is not sure whether the requirements document is updated as mentioned in Action-121
12:16:55 <florian> Thierry: allready updated
12:17:34 <florian> Joakim: there are linking problems to the right version of the document
12:17:45 <pchampin> shouldn't the link point to the "latest version" URI?
12:18:01 <florian> Thierry: make the change
12:18:38 <daniel> linked page in MAWG page is 20090119 version, so needs to be updated in our web page
12:18:57 <florian> ACTION-121: ongoing
12:18:57 <trackbot> ACTION-121 Remind doug to publish requirements document notes added
12:19:12 <florian> ACTION-122: close
12:19:12 <trackbot> ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication notes added
12:19:34 <florian> close ACTION-122
12:19:35 <trackbot> ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication closed
12:20:05 <florian> next item: Initial draft of "Ontology for Media Entity 1.0"
12:20:23 <florian> Wonsuk: veronique applied comments to the initial document
12:20:36 <wonsuk> http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj
12:20:53 <tmichel> Use Cases and Requirements link on  http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/
12:21:23 <florian> Wonsuk: change of the title of section 2
12:21:52 <florian> ... added "complex" property value type
12:21:56 <tmichel> ... now updated to  http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604
12:22:22 <florian> ... introduction changed to the comments of veronique
12:23:03 <veroniqueM> I also changed other sections...
12:23:14 <florian> ... moved the mapping expression
12:23:16 <veroniqueM> according to the proposition I sent on the mailing list last week
12:23:58 <florian> ... all the differences can be found in http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj
12:24:21 <florian> Joakim: Section 3.2. only a table with editorial notes?
12:24:34 <florian> Wonsuk: should we add descriptions?
12:26:07 <florian> ... descriptions should be added in a second version
12:26:18 <florian> joakim: this section only a placeholder?
12:26:44 <florian> felix: columns in the tables are missing (semantic mapping)
12:26:56 <florian> ... syntactic level mapping are missing
12:27:48 <joakim> zakim, who is noisy?
12:27:59 <Zakim> joakim, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +049851509aaaa (45%), werner (64%), Felix (15%), Thierry (10%)
12:28:14 <joakim> mute aaaa
12:28:23 <florian> Werner: first looking at standards (for datatypes), than adopt thema, than specify the mapping
12:28:29 <pchampin> zakim, mute aaaa
12:28:29 <Zakim> +049851509aaaa should now be muted
12:29:00 <florian> zakim, aaaa is me
12:29:00 <Zakim> +florian; got it
12:31:00 <florian> Felix: we need syntactic level mapping
12:31:21 <florian> ... accordiung datatypes in existing formats
12:31:56 <pchampin> or "comma separated list of values" vs. actual multiple values
12:32:46 <florian> Felix: extending the information in a similar way in a next draft like in CableLabs 1.1
12:33:42 <fsasaki> action - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
12:33:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - -
12:34:37 <joakim> werner?
12:35:23 <florian> Werner: agrees with the need for choosing the datatypes based on used datatypes in other standards
12:35:28 <joakim> +1
12:35:29 <tobias> +1 for Werner
12:35:37 <florian> Felix: +1 for Werner
12:35:39 <florian> +1
12:35:44 <wonsuk> +1
12:35:50 <pchampin> +1
12:36:13 <florian> action: Felix to check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
12:36:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-06-16].
12:37:07 <florian> joakim: is this version of ontology draft close for publishment?
12:37:26 <florian> Wonsuk: initial version of mapping table should be checked by Thierry
12:37:48 <daniel> let's go for the publication as quick as possible to get further feedbacks from outside experts
12:37:56 <florian> +1 for daniel
12:39:03 <florian> Thierry: will check the document and discuss it offline with Wonsuk
12:39:57 <florian> Joakim: publishment of the document possible till friday?
12:40:11 <florian> ... document needs to be varified by the w3c
12:40:26 <florian> ???: different things to do in order to publish
12:40:39 <florian> ... xhtml validation
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12:40:49 <florian> ... no broken links in the document
12:41:29 <florian> ... comeing up with a list of TODOs on the ontology draft
12:41:48 <florian> ... publications only on tuesday and thursday (request one day before)
12:43:03 <pchampin> s/???/Thierry
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12:44:18 <florian> Joakim: after Thierries comments we will publish the document
12:44:53 <florian> Joakim: make recordings for an improvement of the first version of the ontology doc
12:45:52 <florian> Werner: the last comment of veronique remainded on the discussion of the last F2F where we thought about several layers of complexity
12:45:59 <florian> +1 for Werner
12:46:03 <fsasaki> +1 to werner
12:46:16 <florian> ... better uzsage for reasoning and usability
12:47:12 <florian> ... add note that more formal defintiions will come up in next versions of the draft, oerhaps in the introduction or ion the property section list
12:47:49 <florian> Wonsuk: agrees with Werner, add this description to the property section
12:49:11 <florian> unmute me
12:49:16 <florian> Zakim, unmute me
12:49:16 <Zakim> florian should no longer be muted
12:50:54 <florian> action: Florian make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...)
12:50:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2009-06-16].
12:52:32 <florian> Florian: will try to summarize rthe open issues in a wiki page for the F2F in Stockholm
12:54:26 <florian> Felix: wants to define a serialization for properties
12:54:46 <florian> Joakim: out of scope from the goals of our group
12:55:17 <joakim> s/ Joakim Werner
12:55:45 <wonsuk> s/Joakim/Werner
12:55:52 <joakim> no problem :-)
12:56:47 <Zakim> -werner
12:56:55 <fsasaki> Felix: I am worried that others will just define one or several serializations, so better we do it before
12:57:31 <joakim> AOBs?
12:57:35 <fsasaki> Felix: functionality for setting properties in existing formats and their serialization might not always possible
12:57:51 <Zakim> -??P1
12:57:54 <Zakim> -florian
12:57:54 <pchampin> bye
12:57:56 <Zakim> -Felix
12:57:56 <Zakim> -Thierry
12:57:59 <wonsuk> bye~
12:57:59 <Zakim> -??P0
12:58:03 <Zakim> -pchampin
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12:58:19 <Zakim> -wonsuk
12:58:32 <joakim> thanks editors for the good work!
12:59:00 <joakim> yeahm you did good
12:59:11 <joakim> s/yeahm/yeah
12:59:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:59:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
12:59:43 <joakim> Then you should email the link to the list please!
13:00:14 <joakim> ok thanks, see you!
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13:00:32 <Zakim> - +46.1.07.19.aabb
13:00:37 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:00:39 <Zakim> Attendees were +049851509aaaa, +46.1.07.19.aabb, wonsuk, +0436991876aacc, werner, Thierry, Felix, +95177aadd, pchampin, florian
13:01:03 <florian> bye everybody!
13:01:07 <florian> have a nice week!
13:01:16 <fsasaki> present: daniel, florian, werner, joakim, tmichel, tobias, veronique, felix, wonsuk, pchampin
13:01:23 <fsasaki> meeting: MAWG
13:01:30 <fsasaki> chair: joakim
13:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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