11:22:34 RRSAgent has joined #mw4d 11:22:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-irc 11:22:40 zakim, this will be mw4d 11:22:40 ok, steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes 11:22:57 Meeting: MW4D IG Bi-Monthly meeting 11:23:19 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Jun/0016.html 11:23:27 Chair: Stephane 11:23:37 Present: Stephane Boyera (W3C) 11:23:41 rrsagent, make log public 11:23:47 rrsagent, make minutes 11:23:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-minutes.html steph 11:24:25 Present: Stephane 11:24:26 rrsagent, make minutes 11:24:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-minutes.html steph 11:24:49 Present: "Stephane Boyera (W3C)" 11:24:51 rrsagent, make minutes 11:24:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-minutes.html steph 11:25:10 Present: Stephane 11:25:13 rrsagent, make minutes 11:25:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-minutes.html steph 11:46:13 zakim, code ? 11:46:13 the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph 11:48:58 Adesina has joined #mw4d 11:53:07 I am in 11:53:38 hi Adesina 11:53:51 Present+adesina 11:54:35 MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started 11:54:43 + +95008aaaa 11:54:58 zakim, aaaa is me 11:54:58 +steph; got it 11:55:02 betty has joined #mw4d 11:56:13 +??P1 11:56:23 zakim, ??p1 is betty 11:56:23 +betty; got it 11:56:28 present+betty 11:58:20 Raphael has joined #mw4d 11:59:48 + +41.22.730.aabb 11:59:58 zakim, aabb is raphael 11:59:58 +raphael; got it 12:00:03 present+raphael 12:01:07 + +91.11.41.29.aacc 12:01:07 Arun has joined #mw4d 12:01:37 zakim, aacc is Arun 12:01:37 +Arun; got it 12:03:12 mib_sb2na2 has joined #mw4d 12:03:28 Phil 12:03:35 +??P4 12:03:50 zakim, ??p4 is Ken 12:03:50 +Ken; got it 12:04:29 kiwanja has joined #mw4d 12:05:47 Present+ken 12:06:17 I can help a bit 12:06:23 +??P6 12:06:48 Present+phillip 12:06:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Jun/0016.html 12:07:07 Topic: approval of last meeting minutes 12:07:18 http://www.w3.org/2009/05/18-mw4d-minutes.html 12:07:28 Minutes OK with me 12:07:41 Topic: review of action items 12:07:47 Lauri to review tools msection of the wiki and complete it with .mobi 12:07:47 tools 12:07:53 [postponed] 12:08:00 Steph to send maputo's executive summary to mw4d 12:08:20 +phil 12:08:28 Renjish has joined #mw4d 12:08:31 Ken advertized it on Twitter ;) 12:09:05 [done] 12:09:32 will do just after the call 12:09:34 not done so 12:09:48 + +01312799aadd 12:09:59 Steph to put maputo executive summary discussion on the agenda for 12:09:59 next mw4d meeting 12:10:07 [postponed] 12:10:13 present+Renjish 12:10:28 Topic: Discussion on roadmap 12:11:28 Stephane collated and combined comments from members on the roadmap 12:12:04 The procees look OK 12:12:08 all fine 12:12:09 fine with me 12:12:30 Discussion page to be created 12:12:36 attached to roadmap 12:12:41 v2 12:12:44 action: stpehane to create a discussion page attached to the roadmpa 12:13:21 poitns collected since last call: 12:13:23 - adding a piece about General issues/challenges the mobile solutions 12:13:23 can/should address (in the development context) 12:13:23 - respective place of challenges and technologies sections 12:13:23 - should we identify contexts ? 12:13:23 - where to put prospective/R&D directions and what's possible today 12:13:24 - traditionnal accessibility issues 12:13:26 - which technologies to put in the map 12:13:28 (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Jun/0014.html) 12:13:56 http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2 12:14:14 point1: adding a piece about General issues/challenges the mobile solutions 12:15:54 Adesina has joined #mw4d 12:16:24 I can add a few things to that section - have a couple of blog posts which deal with that 12:16:34 i think introduction section is appropriate for that 12:16:34 I am back in. I had problem with my connection 12:16:45 Background section sounds good 12:17:10 I am trying to call in but I am using my mobile to connect to the internet, bcos my wifi network failed 12:17:11 phillip suggests a separate section for challenges 12:17:28 OK with the background. 12:18:24 Ken: we could add info there on what mistakes to avoid 12:18:28 ken: we should talk about pitfalls 12:18:44 renjish: more directionnal than informational 12:19:35 We could make a bullet point list of what to include in Background? 12:19:44 at first 12:19:55 For the discussion page! 12:20:03 no, sorry main one 12:20:36 http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2 12:21:45 action: stephane add a section background draft some bullet points 12:21:52 might be worth thinking of speaking with Mike Best at Georgia Tech here - very interested in 'computing at the margins' and may be some synergy 12:22:33 ken: was at a conference "computing at the margins" 12:22:56 georgiatech is placing itself to how to solve these challenges 12:23:52 I am lost! 12:23:52 Can't audio connect now 12:23:52 still tryin to 12:23:54 http://www.computing-margins.org/ 12:23:57 + +035850558aaee 12:23:58 -betty 12:24:00 action: ken to link with people at georgia tech and present wha t we are doing and see if they are interested to join 12:24:12 zakim, aaee is Lauri 12:24:12 +Lauri; got it 12:24:13 ++Phil 12:24:19 present+Lauri 12:24:56 +??P1 12:25:07 zakim, p1 is betty 12:25:07 sorry, steph, I do not recognize a party named 'p1' 12:25:11 zakim, ??p1 is betty 12:25:11 +betty; got it 12:25:29 point2: respective place of challenges and technologies sections 12:26:49 Do we also need a lessons learned section? 12:27:20 good question 12:27:23 q+ 12:27:30 q+ 12:27:58 under challenges, I feel there should specific mention of technology limitations and problmes in respect to developing countries 12:28:25 raphael: we should say pro/cons of each technology 12:30:17 ack raphael 12:30:25 q+ 12:30:32 kiwanjareturns has joined #mw4d 12:30:44 Sorry - browser crash 12:30:48 :) 12:30:53 use a sms browser 12:31:08 yes, pros and cons of the technologies generally and also in respect to availability, users' perspective and economic issues 12:34:52 Renjish: discussion over the need to repeat information which is available elswhere 12:35:03 Any response to my comments? 12:35:30 Hi, Adesina we're caught into a vocal discussion 12:36:28 Renjish: there's a need to limit the roadmap to technologies which address identified challenges 12:36:32 I agree with Renjish. We can be exhaustive with Challenges and the Technologies available today can be shown to address some of those. Limitations and technology direction may also show what might be possible in near-term or long term future. So, technologies can remain after challenges. 12:36:45 +1 12:37:19 It makes sense to avoid a too long technoloy list 12:38:08 and focus on solutions, although we should keep the term "technology" 12:38:23 I agree with Renjish but we need to decide what technologies are important (phil) 12:38:39 +1 to phil 12:39:14 There are also other technologies such as Cell broadcast that has huge potential for developing nations but is hardly used by operators (phil) 12:39:22 Technologies (their state today and projection going forward) should be in the context of the Challenges we identify as important ones 12:39:49 raphael: make sense to link challenges 12:39:53 with technology 12:40:00 I agree with Arun and Rapheal. Focussing on solutions will also bring about issues of technologies and other factors like economic, social and environmental ones that limits the benefits of the solutions 12:41:01 Cell broadcast sounds great, but the issue is lack of commercial scalability, which has implications for long-trem sustainability, but it is a good solution to develop 12:41:46 Problems identified today is an opportunity for solutions tomorrow, so the this approach is good 12:41:51 I agree but this is definitely a technology that we should be mentioning to highlight the challenges 12:42:37 Phil's point is important too and it fits in what we are discussing. We can mention technologies that are not yet established as a solution for a particular challenge but have the potential. 12:46:05 Hello there! 12:47:30 adesina, sorry, this is nto an irc meeting, but a teleconference and discussions are happening in the teleconference 12:47:42 So, Steph's proposal is that solutions go along with the challenges 12:47:45 ok 12:47:49 so it is hard to integrte people just on irc 12:47:54 we are trying but it is hard 12:48:24 I had problem with my wifi, somusing mobile to connedt to the intrenet therefore my inability to join in. I am off base now 12:48:29 There is a discussion on how we structured the technology, challenges and solutions sections 12:48:31 ok I understand 12:48:33 q+ 12:48:43 ack renjish 12:49:23 Can I be added to the speaker queue (phil) 12:49:31 phil sure 12:49:37 1s raphael finishing 12:50:22 q+ 12:51:07 There are non-technological solutions to the listed challenges. Then we could have a small section dedicated for this, before the "Mobile technology solutions" section 12:51:35 phil ? 12:51:40 ack raphael 12:53:42 q+ 12:53:58 Certain challenge may need tech & non tech solution. Could we have: challenges, info on tech, solution (tech & non tech)? 12:54:11 Nice idea betty 12:54:41 renjish: requirements + challenges 12:55:06 ack renjish 12:55:43 That will add value to the document (Phil) 12:56:15 that will be better to separate the challenges from solution 12:56:31 or the heading should reflect "challenges and solutions" 12:56:31 +q 12:56:36 some cross references should be done? 12:56:37 steph: should we have a solution per challenge or a solution section out of challenges 12:57:07 Yes, a separate solution section is fine as long as the context of the Challenge is identified. 12:57:20 q+ 12:57:44 :) 12:57:55 q- 12:58:12 raphael: let's start with solution in challenges 12:58:21 Rather, challenges to solutions available now and those for the future 12:58:29 Good idea Raphael 12:58:35 let's fill the document first 12:58:41 Maybe a section which defines the broader challenges, but then another section which then has headings and then solutions listed 12:58:59 raphael: we need to see if we get too much seciton 12:59:22 we can start with that approach.... I agree 12:59:50 ok 12:59:53 Ok 12:59:57 ok 12:59:59 action: steph to draft illiteracy section 13:00:00 Ok 13:00:31 the sooner the better 13:00:31 next week is fine with me 13:00:37 both fine with me 13:00:50 next call : next week june 15 13:00:59 thank you! 13:01:01 thanks steph, all :) 13:01:03 15 June is OK. Thanks a lot. Bye. 13:01:06 -steph 13:01:07 -Arun 13:01:08 -Lauri 13:01:09 -betty 13:01:09 - +01312799aadd 13:01:11 -raphael 13:01:13 -Ken 13:01:14 rrsagent, make minutes 13:01:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/08-mw4d-minutes.html steph 13:03:37 Unavailable next week 13:06:14 disconnecting the lone participant, ??P6, in MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM 13:06:15 MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended 13:06:17 Attendees were +95008aaaa, steph, betty, +41.22.730.aabb, raphael, +91.11.41.29.aacc, Arun, Ken, +01312799aadd, +035850558aaee, Lauri