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06:30:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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06:30:14 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
06:30:14 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2009
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06:31:01 <ed> Zakim, ??P1 is me
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06:33:10 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
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06:33:40 <jwatt> Zakim, ??P0 is me
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06:35:07 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0189.html
06:35:35 <shepazu> agenda+ SVG Integration
06:35:58 <ed> scribe: jwatt
06:36:03 <ed> chair: ed
06:36:11 <ed> scribeNick: jwatt
06:37:07 <jwatt> Topic: ODF Liaison
06:37:10 <ed> ODF response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0183.html
06:38:04 <jwatt> DS: not heard back from them for a few months, so wanted to check that they weren't going off on some other direction, but that doesn't seem to be the case
06:38:16 <jwatt> ED: do we want someone to go to their meetings
06:38:37 <jwatt> DS: would be good for one of us to go to their meetings too
06:38:51 <jwatt> DS: see what each other's cultures are like
06:39:42 <jwatt> DS: SVG isn't going to be talked about a lot at theirs, so it would probably only be on occassion
06:40:27 <jwatt> [discussion about who could attend]
06:40:42 <jwatt> DS: I guess I would be the best person
06:40:52 <jwatt> JW: and I might on occassion
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06:43:04 <jwatt> ACTION: Doug to send email to ODF saying a couple of us would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about SVG
06:43:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2591 - Send email to ODF saying a couple of us would be interested in attending their telcons where they talk about SVG [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].
06:43:53 <shepazu> Zakim, who's noisy?
06:44:05 <Zakim> shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jwatt (71%), ed (18%), anthony (43%), Shepazu (9%)
06:44:55 <jwatt> ED: would be good to have them here for a telcon to get started too
06:45:13 <jwatt> Topic: F2F
06:45:55 <jwatt> DS: attending me, jwatt, chris, heycam, ed
06:46:07 <jwatt> DS: chris dialing in
06:46:53 <shepazu> s/chris dialing in/anthony dialing in/
06:51:41 <jwatt> [discussion about travel and accommodation, etc.]
06:51:47 <jwatt> Topic: SVG integration
06:51:53 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html
06:52:45 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/integration/SVGIntegration.html#svg-elements
06:54:34 <jwatt> DS: want to draw your attention to these tables
06:55:27 <jwatt> DS: thought Attributes and Properties could be collated into one table
06:56:43 <jwatt> CM: probably you will have to have multiple rows for attributes and properties with the same name
06:59:36 <heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/attindex.html
06:59:45 <jwatt> ED: we tried having a single table for attributes and properties for the Opera documentation, but it turned out to confuse people due to clashes
07:00:01 <ed> http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto211/#graphics
07:00:12 <jwatt> CM: see the 'cx' attribute at the link I just gave
07:01:52 <jwatt> CM: so the number of rows would depend on how many definitions there are
07:04:12 <jwatt> JW: another problem with a joint table is that sometimes attributes and properties with the same name are only animatable on some elements, even though they are usable on more
07:04:57 <jwatt> DS: all the definitions in the table would be linked back to the relevant parts of the spec
07:05:35 <jwatt> s/that sometimes/I seem to remember some/
07:06:50 <jwatt> CM: an advantage of the table is that you'd be able to lift for one element the attributes and properties you're allowed to put on that element
07:07:42 <jwatt> DS: all the modules that we're working on now would have to be listed under the 2.0 column
07:08:09 <jwatt> DS: how hard would it be to have an automated way to generate this list?
07:08:45 <jwatt> JW: automated solutions can be prone to errors too
07:09:00 <jwatt> DS: maybe we could have a list of things to hand edit in?
07:09:17 <jwatt> s/able to lift/able to list/
07:10:07 <jwatt> CM: I think we could do something, but it might be trickier where we have to merge things from multiple specs
07:10:36 <jwatt> DS: I raised this now because an implementer asked for a diff of the specs
07:10:51 <jwatt> DS: seems to me this would be the best way of fulfilling that request
07:11:57 <jwatt> ED: rng files for the specs would help with making this table
07:12:13 <jwatt> s/this table/these tables/
07:13:11 <jwatt> DS: robin may be willing to help with the rng files, and is probably the person that knows rng best
07:13:26 <jwatt> CM: chris has an action to make an rng for SVG 1.1
07:13:51 <jwatt> CM: how it works currently is the list is just in a separate XML file
07:14:15 <jwatt> CM: but we want to remove that duplication and source of conflicting information
07:14:21 <jwatt> CM: I'll look into that
07:14:35 <jwatt> DS: I'll contact robin
07:15:23 <jwatt> ACTION: Doug to contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on build scripts)
07:15:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2592 - Contact Robin about RNG (so CM can work on build scripts) [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].
07:18:10 <jwatt> JW: if we annotate which attributes are animatable, the build script could flag attributes that are only animatable on a subset of elements to which it would be applicable
07:20:33 <jwatt> ED: one thing that would be good to add to the Integration spec would be how SVG fonts are used outside SVG
07:21:36 <jwatt> ACTION: Doug to ask Chris what should go into the Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts
07:21:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2593 - Ask Chris what should go into the Integration spec for SVG for SVG fonts [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-06-10].
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07:21:53 <jwatt> Topic: ISSUE-2275 - Define processing for @type in script elements
07:22:39 <jwatt> ED: we don't really define how 'type' affects script processing
07:23:05 <jwatt> ED: maybe we could even fix that for the errata for SVG 1.1 to bring it into alignment with HTML
07:26:03 <jwatt> CM: if bringing into alignment with HTML, we may not want contentScriptType to affect <script> when it has no 'type'
07:26:23 <jwatt> JW: I think it would be okay for it to affect it in that case
07:27:29 <jwatt> CM; so SVG and HTML <script> would have slightly different behaviour
07:27:45 <jwatt> CM: which would be confusing if you had both in the same document
07:28:29 <jwatt> ED: using contentScriptType is fairly uncommon, so it would usually be okay
07:30:43 <jwatt> JW: in practice, Opera and Mozilla don't require 'type' on <script>, and I'd guess Safari is the same
07:30:57 <jwatt> s/Safari/Webkit/
07:31:29 <jwatt> CM: HTML5 has some pretty complex rules on determining the encoding of external scripts
07:31:51 <jwatt> ED: yes, although that's a different issue, if related
07:32:07 <jwatt> CM: do you want to also handle that Ed?
07:32:33 <jwatt> ED: I don't think we want to do that for the errata, but for Core 2.0, sure
07:33:29 <jwatt> ACTION: Ed to raise an issue to determine the encoding of external <script>
07:33:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2594 - Raise an issue to determine the encoding of external <script> [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
07:34:30 <jwatt> ACTION: Ed to define how the 'type' attribute affects <script> processing
07:34:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2595 - Define how the 'type' attribute affects <script> processing [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
07:36:12 <jwatt> Topic: ACTION-2525
07:36:14 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0190.html
07:36:35 <jwatt> ED: Chris made errata item
07:37:03 <jwatt> ED: he changed the errata.xml, and is asking us to review his change
07:38:04 <ed> ...looks fine to me
07:38:43 <jwatt> ACTION: Chris to fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition
07:38:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2596 - Fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-06-10].
07:39:58 <ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#colorSyntax
07:40:12 <ed> probably needs an errata for 1.2T too then
07:42:29 <anthony> ACTION: Anthony to Search through 1.2T to see if errata item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T
07:42:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2597 - Search through 1.2T to see if errata item from ACTION-2525 exists. If it doesn't exist add it to the 1.2T [on Anthony Grasso - due 2009-06-10].
07:43:12 <heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/types.html#DataTypeColor
07:44:05 <heycam> ACTION-2596: Note that you'll also need to update the grammar just below that modified text to allow "rgb(" case insensitively.
07:44:05 <trackbot> ACTION-2596 Fold in the errata item he created for ACTION-2525 into 1.1 2nd edition notes added
07:47:03 <jwatt> Topic: ISSUE-2038 - Description of conditional processing attributes inconsistent
07:49:57 <jwatt> CM: the description of conditional processing attributes in 5.8.1 is different to 5.8.2 in Tiny 1.2
07:51:42 <jwatt> ACTION: Cameron to fix ISSUE-2038
07:51:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2598 - Fix ISSUE-2038 [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-06-10].
07:53:52 <jwatt> Topic: ISSUE-2046 - Allow negative startOffset for textPath elements
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07:55:37 <jwatt> ED: I think it would be fine to just clip away any text that is at a negative offset
07:58:21 <jwatt> ED: negative values are allowed in ASV, and I think we made that the case for Opera too
07:58:30 <jwatt> JW: seems to make sense to me
07:58:54 <jwatt> ED: should we fix this for 1.1?
07:58:59 <jwatt> JW: I think so
08:00:32 <jwatt> ACTION: Ed to fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset in 1.1
08:00:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2599 - Fix ISSUE-2046 to allow negative startOffset in 1.1 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-06-10].
08:03:05 <jwatt> so now that we're done, have any of you guys seen http://www.tapper-ware.net/2009/05/perspective-texture-with-6-lines-of-svg.html ?
08:03:23 <heycam> Regrets: Chris
08:03:32 <jwatt> RRSAgent: make minutes
08:03:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-svg-minutes.html jwatt
08:04:41 <jwatt> so direct link is http://www.tapper-ware.net/stable/PerspectiveWith6LinesOfXML-CanvasEnhanced/index.xhtml
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08:13:46 <ed> the site works fine for me now anyway
08:13:59 <ed> wonder why they forgot to put the torrents up
08:14:12 <jwatt> /dcc-send jwatt <path>
08:14:21 <jwatt> in chatzilla
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08:15:16 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()2:30AM has ended
08:15:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, ed, [IPcaller], heycam, jwatt, anthony