IRC log of egov on 2009-06-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-egov-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be EGOV
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- ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 June 2009
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- T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has now started
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- +[CTIC]
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- + +1.202.731.aaaa
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- zakim, [CTIC] is josema
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- +josema; got it
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- - +1.202.731.aaaa
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- + +1.202.731.aabb
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- + +0203334aacc
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- zakim, aabbis kevin
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- I don't understand 'aabbis kevin', josema
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- zakim, aabb is kevin
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- +kevin; got it
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- zakim, aacc is john
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- +john; got it
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see josema, kevin, john
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot
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- scribe: joseam
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- scribe: josema
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- chair: kevin, john
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- lol!
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- topic: "opengov dinner"
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- kevin: chat with other government stakeholders on how things are evolving (Adobe, CDT, Sunlight...)
- 15:19:21 [josema]
- s/chat/I had a chat
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- ...talk on opendata, discussions on business perspective
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- ...on what's the long term impact for industry
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- ...again on the "how" to move from the generic ideas to the practical stuff
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- ...reinforces the points we made on the paper, people read it, found it useful
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- john: very interesting stuff, how to move from strategy to implemented systems
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- kevin: also discussion about the dialogue, some points Beth made on the blog post recently
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- [http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Wrap-Up-of-the-Open-Government-Brainstorming-Transparency/]
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- john: one of things one need to do is to engineer processes in the system and get that kind of cultural change
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- ...and that's hard to do, means cultural change
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- kevin: agree
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- ...creating this line of business is hard
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- s/line/lines
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- ...sometimes people and power located at different agencies
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- john: one of the things that interesting me about transparency is how to connect it to public policy outcomes
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- ...e.g. better spending of public money
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- ...one way of achieving transparency is to put up data on the Web
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- ...but then it's the question "so what?"
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- ...what's the next part of journey looks like?
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- ...and that's hard
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- rrsagent, draf minutes
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-egov-minutes.html josema
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- topic: open data
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- ...what datasets? what for? what's the expected final result?
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- kevin: great point
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- ...challenge is that some people in charge are technologists
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- ...difficult form them to understand government business
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- john: agree
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- ...coming from tech perspective myself
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- ...have seen people does not care
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- ...there are bigger challenges
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- kevin: right, e.g. cloud computing, well, a buzzword
- 15:34:36 [josema]
- ...but what's in it for gov?
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- ...would like to hear more of that
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- john: someone could say it reduces total cost of ownership and a number of other things
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- ...in terms of OGD reason is because improves some public policy outcomes
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- ...totally different type of thinking
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- ...not about lowering costs
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- john: we tried to highlight some of this in the Note
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- kevin: I'm glad we did not go very technical there
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- topic: re-chartering
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- kevin: working on a draft charter based on previous discussion with Comm and you
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- ...need to state goals clearly, e.g. need funding
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- its ok for me
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- -josema
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- had trouble earlier in the call
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- +josema
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- ...we might need something about protoyping
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- ...jose and I discussed a bit about this, and thought of 3 stages
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- ...no money: some smaller thing
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- ...money: a bigger one
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- john: right, need a consistent plan
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- s/need/we need
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- [kevin, tim likely to meet next week]
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- [some discussion on whether we should have 3 TFs: OGD, Interop, Web Design + Development]
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- john: I like OGD and WDD, a bit worried about interop
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- ...interop is easy to say, difficult to define, *big* issue
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- ...lots of stuff in there
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- josema: interop from different POVs
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- ...talked in the past much about front-end, big issue on its own
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- ...back-end *huge*
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- kevin: we could focus on the things they have to deliver
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- ...e.g. the data.gov kind of thing
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- john: I mostly care about OGD, as you know
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- jose: me mostly
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- ...let's try a different approach, what would be the deliverables?
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- for me, ogd design patterns - likewise, why not web design patterns?
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- I very much like that!
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- kevin: not big deliverable, small docs, maybe kind of EricP W3C Tech Survey thing
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- [maybe better two than three]
- 15:58:42 [john]
- yes
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- finally got it! :)
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- [we could split interop into two, some of it goes to TF1, some to TF3, then no TF2]
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- [kevin to draft charter with two TFs in mind]
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- [ADJOURNED]
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- -josema
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- -kevin
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- -john
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- T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.202.731.aaaa, josema, +1.202.731.aabb, +0203334aacc, kevin, john
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- zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/03-egov-minutes.html josema
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items