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13:27:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:27:13 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2009
13:27:18 <francois> Chair: DKA
13:27:47 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Jun/0002.html
13:27:55 <francois> Regrets: adam, sangwhan, miguel, manrique, jo, abel, achuter, JohnLavery
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13:28:37 <DKA> zakim, who's here?
13:28:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:28:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, DKA, nacho, yeliz, francois, trackbot
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13:30:32 <francois> zakim, who is on the call?
13:30:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:30:36 <tomhume> zakim, what is the code?
13:30:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tomhume
13:31:36 <francois> Present: francois, DKA, tomhume
13:32:33 <francois> Present+ yeliz
13:32:46 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
13:32:46 <Zakim> sorry, yeliz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to yeliz
13:33:25 <francois> Present+ nacho
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13:36:29 <francois> Scribe: francois
13:37:15 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
13:37:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:37:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see brucel, SeanP, tomhume, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, nacho, yeliz, francois, trackbot
13:37:20 <francois> Present+ SeanP
13:37:39 <francois> Present+ brucel
13:38:23 <francois> Topic: comments on MWABP
13:38:34 <francois> DKA: francois, do you want to lead us through these?
13:38:53 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009AprJun/ comments on MWABP
13:40:08 <francois> francois: comment from Kai on automatic login, already discussed. Waiting for the group at large to discuss some more.
13:40:16 <francois> ... next comment from Oracle on AtomDB
13:42:06 <francois> ... AtomDB seems to match with the general direction we're aiming at in the BPs.
13:42:56 <francois> ... We already listed HTML5 offline storage, so it might make sense to include that in the list. I had never heard of that before, anyone knows where this comes from?
13:43:34 <francois> DKA: wondering if it has to be implemented in the browser, and/or as an AJAX library. Anyone willing to review AtomDB to see if it could be included in the list?
13:43:42 <francois> tom: raising hand!
13:43:44 <francois> dka: thanks!
13:43:54 <tomhume> q+ to suggest this seems reasonable
13:44:14 <francois> ACTION: tom to review AtomDB for potential inclusion/reference in MWABP
13:44:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-964 - Review AtomDB for potential inclusion/reference in MWABP [on Tom Hume - due 2009-06-09].
13:44:36 <DKA> ack tomh
13:44:36 <Zakim> tomhume, you wanted to suggest this seems reasonable
13:44:40 <francois> ack q
13:44:59 <francois> tom: on the WURFL reference, that sounds reasonable to add it to MWABP.
13:45:31 <francois> dka: yes. We need to see if we're talking a lot about server-side capabilities.
13:46:11 <francois> tom: UAProf is mentioned in the references because it's explicitly mentioned in the document.
13:46:33 <francois> q+
13:46:39 <DKA> ack franc
13:49:08 <francois> francois: same thing as AtomDB in my view. I just think we need to draw a line somewhere between being a standard and listing various implementations to guide authors.
13:49:57 <francois> dka: on the server-side detection, we could also remove the section altogether as we really mean to talk about client-side stuff.
13:50:29 <francois> tom: if we mention UAProf for the same purpose, it does make sense to mention WURFL as well.
13:51:10 <francois> dka: yes. To be clear, if we can be saying useful things for Web authors that can help server-side detection, let's do it!
13:51:22 <DKA> zakim, who's here?
13:51:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:51:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see brucel, SeanP, tomhume, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, nacho, yeliz, francois, trackbot
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13:53:06 <francois> Topic: MWBP-WCAG - last draft before Note published
13:53:25 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mwbp-wcag-20090526/ published draft of MWBP-WCAG
13:53:36 <francois> dka: yeliz, status of the document?
13:54:40 <francois> yeliz: shawn sent an email about the publication. We're not expecting major comments on the document
13:55:16 <francois> Topic: mobileOK Checker - namespace
13:55:32 <DKA> ScribeNick: DKA
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13:55:56 <DKA> Francois: Yeliz (and I) have been working on an extension to the mobileok checker to support file URI.
13:56:19 <DKA> Francois: I think it's a good idea to have such extensions listed next to the checker in the code library.
13:57:16 <DKA> Francois: The question is: which namespace are we going to use? It makes sense to use a different namespace. One suggestion is to use a namespace close to the one we use for the library but there are some comments that code not developed by the wg should not start witht he same namespace prefix...
13:57:33 <DKA> Francois: So - are we fine to have the code next to the code in the library? I think we are.
13:58:03 <DKA> Francois: 2nd question: which namespace should we use for extensions.  I'm perfectly fine for extensions to be named after the organization that produced it.
13:58:11 <DKA> DKA: What namespace would that be?
13:58:24 <DKA> Francois: Yeliz?
13:58:47 <DKA> Yeliz: I can use the namespace from manchester university.
13:58:50 <nacho> q+
13:58:55 <DKA> ack nacho
13:59:53 <DKA> Nacho: We think it would be interesting to have the code in the same CVS web space as the library. The checker TF in a previous meeting has discussed adding this already. We just had a resource problem getting it done.
14:00:30 <DKA> Nacho: It's important that this code is close to the code of the checker. I do not think the issue of the namespace is important.
14:00:43 <DKA> Francois: I totally agree.
14:00:47 <yeliz> +1
14:00:50 <DKA> Yeliz: Me too
14:01:22 <DKA> DKA: Is that another possible course of action - adopting the code as an official working group output?
14:02:21 <DKA> Francois: It seems we all agree the code should be listed along with the library.
14:02:37 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Yeliz's code should be listed along with the library.
14:02:51 <nacho> +1
14:03:04 <DKA> Francois: another possibility could be to say that this extension becomes a part of the working group output. This also binds us to maintain the code.
14:03:26 <Kai> +1
14:03:28 <tomhume> +1
14:03:32 <brucel> concur
14:03:34 <francois> +1
14:03:56 <DKA> RESOLUTION: Yeliz's code on file support should be listed along with the other checker code in the library.
14:05:05 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We should adopt Yeliz's code (the file support extension) as an official working group output and therefore put it in the same namespace as the rest of the checker code.
14:05:22 <nacho> +1 to that
14:05:27 <yeliz> +1
14:05:47 <Kai> i am nowhere
14:05:50 <francois> +1
14:05:55 <yeliz> Lost the connection
14:05:56 <Kai> +1
14:06:21 <SeanP> +1
14:07:30 <francois> [+1 to yeliz to write a small note or blog post on how "easy" it was to extend the library!]
14:07:33 <DKA> RESOLUTION: Yeliz's code should be listed along with the library.
14:07:54 <DKA> RESOLUTION: We should adopt Yeliz's code (the file support extension) as an official working group output and therefore put it in the same namespace as the rest of the checker code.
14:08:16 <francois> s/RESOLUTION: Yeliz's code should be listed along with the library.//
14:08:18 <DKA> DKA: It will still be an extension.
14:08:20 <nacho> [+1 to François' +1 to yeliz to write a small note or blog post on how "easy" it was to extend the library!]
14:08:52 <DKA> Yeliz: the namespace will be using the .ext extension?
14:08:58 <francois> org.w3c.mwi.mobileok.ext.filesupport
14:09:04 <DKA> +1
14:09:07 <francois> org.w3c.mwi.mobileok.basic.ext.filesupport
14:09:55 <DKA> So minuted: We will select the org.w3c.mwi.mobileok.ext.filesupport namespace for this.
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14:10:52 <francois> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1
14:11:26 <DKA> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1 rescinded
14:11:35 <DKA> DKA: why was this?
14:11:44 <DKA> Francois: Not because of us.
14:12:25 <DKA> Francois: Upshot [for us] is that we won't have any lang attribute.
14:13:26 <DKA> DKA: Do we have any dependencies on the lang attribute?
14:13:53 <DKA> Francois: There is a mismatch on what we recommend - using xhtml basic 1.1 - and what the internationalization working group recommends.
14:14:31 <DKA> DKA: Punt.
14:14:41 <francois> Scribe: francois
14:14:51 <DKA> DKA: AOB?
14:15:21 <DKA> DKA: Let's put the multi-part discussion on the agenda for next week.
14:15:30 <francois> s/Scribe: francois//
14:16:00 <Kai> q+
14:16:05 <DKA> ack kai
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14:16:33 <DKA> Kai: Phil archer has agreed to do an editorial review of the addendum.
14:16:36 <DKA> DKA: Great!
14:16:45 <DKA> DKA: Timeline?
14:16:52 <DKA> Kai: Yes, a couple of weeks...
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14:17:31 <francois> ACTION: phil to make an editorial review of the addendum
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14:17:37 <francois> ACTION: archer to make an editorial review of the addendum
14:17:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - archer
14:17:56 <francois> ACTION: parcher to make an editorial review of the addendum
14:17:56 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - parcher
14:18:56 <brucel> hugs
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14:19:02 <Kai> me waves back
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14:20:14 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:20:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:47:06 <francois> Regrets+ Bryan, EdC
14:47:10 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:47:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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15:15:09 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
15:15:09 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-actions.rdf :
15:15:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tom to review AtomDB for potential inclusion/reference in MWABP [1]
15:15:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-irc#T13-44-14
15:15:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: phil to make an editorial review of the addendum [2]
15:15:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-irc#T14-17-31
15:15:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: archer to make an editorial review of the addendum [3]
15:15:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-irc#T14-17-37
15:15:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: parcher to make an editorial review of the addendum [4]
15:15:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-bpwg-irc#T14-17-56
15:15:12 <francois> Zakim, bye
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