12:58:27 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 12:58:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-swxg-irc 12:58:29 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:58:30 Zakim has joined #swxg 12:58:32 Zakim, this will be 7994 12:58:32 ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes 12:58:35 Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference 12:58:36 Date: 27 May 2009 12:59:07 zakim, mute me 12:59:07 sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is 12:59:31 7994? 12:59:36 jsalvachua has joined #swxg 12:59:42 libby: 7994 i think 12:59:48 zakim, code? 12:59:48 the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom 12:59:59 thanks rreck 13:00:00 Hello to all 13:00:06 zakim, who's here? 13:00:06 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has not yet started, tinkster 13:00:07 On IRC I see jsalvachua, Zakim, RRSAgent, cperey, rreck, libby, adam, caribou, hhalpin, tpa, petef, melvster, mischat, tinkster, karl, trackbot, dom, AlexPassant 13:00:15 zakim, mute me 13:00:15 sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is 13:00:17 7996 libby 13:00:29 zakim, this is SWXG 13:00:29 ok, tinkster; that matches INC_SWXG()9:00AM 13:00:30 no, 7994. 13:00:39 +Hakan 13:00:40 zakim, mute me 13:00:41 tinkster should now be muted 13:00:43 +[IPcaller] 13:00:55 Zakim, IPcaller is hhalpin 13:00:55 +hhalpin; got it 13:01:09 + +7.942.aacc 13:01:26 +??P20 13:01:35 +Carine 13:01:41 +jsalvachua 13:01:45 How does this IPcaller thing work then? Does Zakim have a SIP interface? 13:01:48 zakim, mute me 13:01:50 hajons has joined #swxg 13:01:53 jsalvachua should now be muted 13:01:59 +??P24 13:02:09 zakim, who is talking? 13:02:11 + +4222aadd 13:02:15 Zakim, who is making noise? 13:02:20 petef, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (61%), ??P20 (4%), ??P24 (85%) 13:02:31 hhalpin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (10%), ??P24 (24%) 13:02:35 zakim p24 is me 13:02:58 + +0798919aaee 13:03:10 Zakim: +0798919aaee is mischat 13:03:19 zakim, +0798919aaee is mischat 13:03:19 +mischat; got it 13:03:20 zakim, +4222aadd is me 13:03:21 yeah 13:03:22 +petef; got it 13:03:29 zakim, +7.942.aacc is me (I think) 13:03:29 I don't understand '+7.942.aacc is me (I think)', libby 13:03:31 zakim, mute me 13:03:31 mischat should now be muted 13:03:34 zakim, +7.942.aacc is me 13:03:34 +libby; got it 13:04:23 zakim, mute me 13:04:23 petef should now be muted 13:04:24 zakim, who is making noise 13:04:24 I don't understand 'who is making noise', mischat 13:04:38 That's not our anthem though. 13:04:52 zakim, who is making noise? 13:04:54 +karl 13:05:02 mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: hhalpin (29%), ??P24 (31%) 13:05:12 claudio has joined #swxg 13:05:13 + +49.173.515.aaff 13:05:15 zakim, mute karl 13:05:15 karl should now be muted 13:05:16 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.rdf 13:05:16 working on it, hhalpin 13:05:19 done reading agenda, hhalpin 13:06:02 OK, we should probably begin now 13:06:03 the sound is terrible 13:06:03 i nominated chime to scribe 13:06:24 Zakim, whose making noise? 13:06:24 I don't understand your question, hhalpin. 13:06:28 sorry that's me 13:06:29 Zakim, who is making noise? 13:06:32 zakim, who's making noise? 13:06:40 hhalpin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: hhalpin (67%), ??P24 (9%) 13:06:47 me too 13:06:50 mischat, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 13:06:59 is everyone having trouble just *hearing* other people. 13:07:03 All I can hear is a strange humming noise. 13:07:04 Perhaps we should do a quick go around. 13:07:10 it probably worthwile to start 5 minutes earlier with this many participants 13:07:30 Zakim, whose on the phone? 13:07:30 I don't understand your question, hhalpin. 13:07:33 +1 humming noise 13:07:36 Zakim, who is one the phone? 13:07:36 I don't understand your question, hhalpin. 13:07:42 humming 13:07:45 hello ! 13:07:46 Maybe it's me 13:07:46 zakim, who's here? 13:07:46 On the phone I see ??P5, AdamB, tinkster (muted), Hakan, hhalpin, libby, ??P20, Carine, jsalvachua (muted), ??P24 (muted), petef (muted), mischat (muted), karl (muted), 13:07:49 ... +49.173.515.aaff 13:07:50 On IRC I see claudio, hajons, jsalvachua, Zakim, RRSAgent, cperey, rreck, libby, adam, caribou, hhalpin, tpa, petef, melvster, mischat, tinkster, karl, trackbot, dom, AlexPassant 13:07:51 Zakim, mute me 13:07:51 hhalpin should now be muted 13:07:55 whew 13:07:55 Is the humming noise gone? 13:07:58 yes 13:07:59 yes 13:08:00 yes 13:08:00 humming gone 13:08:05 zakim, unmute me 13:08:05 petef should no longer be muted 13:08:07 Ah, perhaps it is some sort of weird Skype bug on my end. 13:08:08 -??P20 13:08:20 call in again perhaps 13:08:30 OK, I'll just mute in and out 13:08:33 is environement noise captured by microphone 13:08:38 ah, you need headphoen if you are using skype you get feedback from laptop mic -> laptop speakers 13:08:43 +??P20 13:08:46 I don't seem to be able to unmute me 13:08:51 +cperey 13:08:55 Zakim, unmute petef 13:08:55 petef was not muted, hhalpin 13:09:09 OK, let's begin the meeting. 13:09:18 hello 13:09:19 but we need a scribe... 13:09:22 I think perhaps I am P24? 13:09:22 do we have any volunteers? 13:09:23 i will scribe 13:09:27 Excellent mischat. 13:09:31 zakim mute me 13:09:38 +1 mischat 13:09:43 Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-05-27T13:00-15:00Z 13:09:44 ScribeNick: mischat 13:09:44 couldn't make out a word of that whoevere spoke 13:09:50 Scribe: Mischa 13:09:52 -cperey 13:10:00 Zakim, unmute me 13:10:00 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:10:02 someone say hello to him 13:10:06 i said hello 13:10:07 Zakim, mute me 13:10:07 hhalpin should now be muted 13:10:19 Zakim, unmute me 13:10:19 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:10:27 +cperey 13:10:30 Zakim, mute me 13:10:30 hhalpin should now be muted 13:10:43 zakim, unmute p24 13:10:43 sorry, petef, I do not know which phone connection belongs to p24 13:10:44 PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 20 May 2009 as a true record 13:10:49 Zakim, unmute me 13:10:49 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:10:55 Zakim, mute me 13:10:55 hhalpin should now be muted 13:10:56 yes 13:10:59 yes 13:11:00 yes 13:11:01 yes 13:11:04 yes 13:11:05 yes 13:11:10 RESOLVED: approved SWXG WG Weekly -- 20 May 2009 as a true record 13:11:17 (although notingg that DanBri should have cleaned them up) 13:11:25 PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 3 June. scribe volunteer? 13:11:30 Zakim, unmute me 13:11:30 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:11:34 i think that danbri did, as per his last email 13:11:36 Zakim, mute me 13:11:36 hhalpin should now be muted 13:11:40 Scribe? 13:11:40 not me 13:11:43 :) 13:11:43 not me 13:11:49 Zakim, unmute me 13:11:49 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:11:59 we could rotate people ! 13:12:02 i can do june 10th 13:12:03 Zakim, mute me 13:12:03 hhalpin should now be muted 13:12:03 +1 13:12:05 I'm happy to scribe occasionally, but not next week. 13:12:16 OK, let's have adam provisionally as scribe for next meeting. 13:12:26 i have no voice input today, and am happy scribe as a result 13:12:29 I will scribe in the future but not June 3 13:12:43 RESOLVED: move to a scribing list 13:12:48 Zakim, next item 13:12:48 I see nothing on the agenda 13:12:51 Hmmm... 13:12:59 General Organization 13:13:02 i have no audio 13:13:12 unmute me 13:13:16 Zakim, unmute me 13:13:16 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:13:35 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Liaisons 13:13:39 hhalpin: is going through last week's actions 13:13:51 Zakim, unmute me 13:13:51 hhalpin was not muted, hhalpin 13:13:54 apassant is a SPARQL liasion 13:13:55 Zakim, mute me 13:13:55 hhalpin should now be muted 13:13:59 in need of other ones ? 13:14:07 Do we have any volunteers? 13:14:12 are the groups that need liasons listed on the wiki? 13:14:16 Yes. 13:14:23 I've put myself down for Microformats. 13:14:24 I only hear Harry, is anyone else speaking on this bridge? 13:14:24 + +2 13:14:26 are in need of liasons 13:14:36 Zakim, +2 is me 13:14:36 +AlexPassant; got it 13:14:36 i may try to interface with dataportability.org 13:14:42 Ah, OK. 13:14:49 Could you add yourselves to the wiki? 13:15:16 jsalvachua: to be liaison with dataportability.org 13:15:25 + +039011228aahh 13:15:33 toby to be liason with the microformats community 13:15:43 \me Zakim, mute me 13:15:45 zakim, unmute me 13:15:45 petef was not muted, petef 13:15:45 +039011228aahh is claudio 13:15:56 C'mon no volunteers :( 13:15:59 q+ to ask about SIOC liaisons 13:16:02 I volunteered 13:16:07 audio problems 13:16:08 Zakim, q+ 13:16:08 I see AlexPassant, hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:16:14 Zakim, ack 13:16:14 I don't understand 'ack', hhalpin 13:16:17 Zakim, q- 13:16:17 I see AlexPassant on the speaker queue 13:16:19 for Social Network Portability Group List 13:16:21 i may help with other groups, with the vcard ietf group 13:16:27 renanto is on the wiki as the liason with "Policy Language Interest Group" 13:16:29 Zakim, ack AlexPassant 13:16:29 AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about SIOC liaisons 13:16:30 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:16:36 yes 13:16:37 can hear 13:16:39 yes 13:17:01 \me Zakim, mute me 13:17:02 apassant, to find a person to be SOIC liaison 13:17:17 uldis has joined #swxg 13:17:24 Uldis Bojars or John Breslin can be SIOC liaisons 13:17:28 her's uldis 13:17:30 no sound 13:17:32 OK - could you check on them. 13:17:50 ACTION: AlexPassant to see about SIOC liason 13:17:50 Created ACTION-15 - See about SIOC liason [on Alexandre Passant - due 2009-06-03]. 13:17:51 sounds good 13:17:53 AlexPassant to check to see if we can find a SIOC liaison 13:17:56 yeah call went silent 13:18:03 Zakim, unmute me 13:18:03 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:18:07 -AlexPassant 13:18:13 i can hear you 13:18:15 I hear only Harry 13:18:18 i can hear you too 13:18:26 I have added myself to wiki as volunteer liason for data portability, diso and social network portability 13:18:31 ACTION: [DONE] danbri sketch a 5 line template for interaction with other groups (cf InvitedExperts, DiscussionTopics) 13:18:31 Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE] 13:18:33 + +2 13:18:34 I *can't* speak 13:18:46 Zakim has my number wrong :-( 13:18:48 ACTION: [DONE] karl to produce a template for TF deliverables. 13:18:48 Sorry, couldn't find user - [DONE] 13:18:50 zakim, unmute petef 13:18:50 petef was not muted, mischat 13:18:59 Zakim, +2 is me 13:18:59 +AlexPassant; got it 13:19:03 zakim, unmute me 13:19:03 karl should no longer be muted 13:19:03 Karl - do you wish to explain your template? 13:19:07 Karl put together a template for the user stories 13:19:09 \me Zakim, mute me 13:19:17 karl has put up 2 templates 13:19:27 are user stories aka use cases? 13:19:31 zakim, P24 is really me. 13:19:31 sorry, petef, I do not recognize a party named 'P24' 13:19:31 yup rreck 13:19:40 so user stories seemed too long 13:19:57 i am developing a use case atm 13:20:02 karl suggests we should be concise and to the point 13:20:31 can someone put the URI to the templates into IRC 13:20:36 Karl's template - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0103.html 13:20:42 goal of the templates are to speed up the writing 13:20:48 thanks Toby! 13:21:06 templates will give us a common look and feel 13:21:15 + +1.631.704.aajj 13:21:27 zakim, mute me 13:21:27 tinkster was already muted, tinkster 13:21:37 \me Zakim, unmute me 13:21:39 Karl is open to comments/modifications re: the templates 13:22:09 hhalpin happy with the user stories templates 13:22:09 how come petef.a not petef? 13:22:30 hhalpin would like a template for the final report to be put up on the wiki 13:22:39 harry asks if anyone has any experience in this ? 13:22:41 Does anyone have a final report template as well? 13:23:12 Does anyone want to take that action - i.e. finding a template for final deliverables? 13:23:21 microformats.org write all specs on mediawiki - perhaps useful? 13:23:21 karl stated that someone should take an action to port the final report template to the wiki 13:23:52 can we not look at other XGs? 13:24:13 can a chair close this action -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/track/actions/14 13:24:22 ivan has joined #swxg 13:24:24 i can take a stab at it 13:24:40 ACTION: adam to find a good final report template and port it to the wiki 13:24:40 Created ACTION-16 - Find a good final report template and port it to the wiki [on Adam Boyet - due 2009-06-03]. 13:24:56 hhalpin: adam seemed to suggest that he would look into the template 13:25:12 3. Task Forces 13:25:19 hhalpin asks if anyone has any comments re: the organisation so we can move onto the task force issue 13:25:45 Task force issues: should we merge context / privacy ? 13:25:47 zakim, unmute me 13:25:47 cperey was not muted, cperey 13:25:55 zakim, mute me 13:25:55 karl should now be muted 13:25:56 Context and Privacy Task Force (Karl Dubost)? For Portability and Architectures Task Force (@@)? 13:26:07 i/3. Task Forces/TOPIC: Task forces/ 13:26:19 so, harry is asking if people like proposed task force titles 13:26:36 Portability and Architectures - jsalvachua and petef volunteered last telecon. 13:26:39 cperey: has no preference for times, but thinks we need critical mass 13:26:50 and we need a clear agenda 13:27:07 signing up to task forces where? 13:27:26 zakim, unmute petef.a 13:27:26 petef.a should no longer be muted 13:27:29 Maybe we could remind people to sign up for task forces 13:27:30 zakim, unmute me 13:27:30 karl should no longer be muted 13:27:30 cperey participation has gone down since the start of XG, cperey thinks we should find out how many people are interested in each Task force 13:27:41 petef : we both may start together to push the task force 13:27:48 who is speaking ? 13:27:51 karl *MAY* be the task force leader ;) 13:27:54 zakim, mute me 13:27:54 petef should now be muted 13:28:02 zakim, mute me 13:28:02 cperey should now be muted 13:28:17 should we find out how many are interested in each task force 13:28:23 I find this constant un/muting incredibly frustrating 13:28:43 I thought we had leaders ? 13:28:55 Also interested in portability/arch but not leading. 13:28:59 I agree 13:29:06 Wiki page for each of these task forces? 13:29:06 where? 13:29:10 I don't think we do. 13:29:13 what next is unclear! 13:29:14 I can set up template wiki pages for them. 13:29:22 hhalpin: thinks we need a wiki page for the task forces 13:29:26 I will draft one for portability and architectures 13:29:43 ACTION: tinkster to draft wiki pages for task forces 13:29:43 Created ACTION-17 - Draft wiki pages for task forces [on Toby Inkster - due 2009-06-03]. 13:29:48 toby to set up wiki page re task forces, and people should add what they are thinking 13:29:58 caribou, how? 13:30:34 OK, sorry, muted on skype 13:30:35 zakim, unmute me 13:30:35 jsalvachua should no longer be muted 13:30:36 portability task force, so hhalpin is interested in how the W3C can promote how data can be made portable 13:30:44 Can anyone else hear feedback? 13:30:52 zakim, mute petef.a 13:30:52 petef.a should now be muted 13:30:54 zakim, mute me 13:30:54 karl should now be muted 13:31:00 sorry petef.a 13:31:05 joaquin? 13:31:12 i am not sure if you hear me 13:31:23 No, I don't hear you 13:31:25 no i can only hear typing 13:31:28 i would be happy to contribute but would like to have the discussion on the list 13:31:30 I can just hear typing. 13:31:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Portability_Architecture_TF 13:32:01 Great 13:32:07 jsalvachua: said that he will try and populate the wiki, regarding a roadmap for the portability task froce 13:32:43 +q 13:32:47 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_Privacy_TF 13:32:55 4. Invited Guests 13:32:57 I will put some stuff on the wiki for privacy task force 13:33:06 -q 13:33:44 Anyone else? 13:34:00 invited speaker lists have been populated for the widget topic and the Vcard topic, does anyone else have any ideas on this ? 13:34:30 hajons, asks if people should just write to the wiki, if they want to join a task force ? 13:34:41 Yes, just sign up to task force on wiki page 13:34:42 or is there some other protocol 13:34:43 how do we join the task forces 13:34:49 ok 13:34:54 maybe once the task force pages are created, each person can add themselves as a member 13:34:57 of the task force 13:35:04 +1 adam 13:35:10 hhalpin states that we should just add names to the list of task forces on the wiki 13:35:16 i will join the privacy task force 13:35:22 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Context_Privacy_TF 13:35:25 ;) 13:35:29 i dont feel capable of leading it 13:35:30 go toby 13:35:46 - +1.631.704.aajj 13:36:00 are we going to have invited guest for privacy and context ? 13:36:20 zakim, unmute me 13:36:20 cperey should no longer be muted 13:36:25 harry wodners if there is any mobile interest 13:36:30 from the group 13:36:35 yes, I will propose a guest on context / mobile 13:36:46 tim gave his regrets and daniel applequist can't make this meeting in particular :( 13:37:08 Perhaps you can explain what the OSLO group is? 13:37:19 Does it have a web-page? 13:37:20