15:45:07 RRSAgent has joined #CSS 15:45:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-irc 15:45:13 Zakim, this will be Style 15:45:13 ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes 15:54:21 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started 15:54:28 +dsinger 15:54:46 -dsinger 15:54:47 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 15:54:47 Attendees were dsinger 15:54:56 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started 15:55:03 +dsinger 15:55:20 dsinger_ has joined #css 15:55:51 -dsinger 15:55:53 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 15:55:53 Attendees were dsinger 15:57:58 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started 15:58:02 aaah 15:58:04 +glazou 15:58:05 +dsinger 15:58:21 dsinger_ has joined #css 15:58:38 Zakim, mute me 15:58:38 sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 15:58:42 Zakim, mute dsinger 15:58:42 dsinger should now be muted 15:59:00 np 16:00:53 Zakim, who is here? 16:00:53 On the phone I see dsinger (muted), glazou 16:00:54 On IRC I see dsinger_, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, myakura, MoZ, MikeSmith, jdaggett, annevk, karl, fantasai, dsinger, plinss_, krijnh, anne, Hixie, plinss, Bert, trackbot 16:01:31 +plinss 16:01:57 ok Bert 16:02:19 +fantasai 16:02:48 +SteveZ 16:03:28 szilles has joined #css 16:05:15 +Bert 16:06:29 ScribeNick: fantasai 16:06:36 cesar_acebal has joined #css 16:06:45 Daniel: Bert, you sent two extra items 16:06:47 Topic: Agenda 16:06:53 Daniel: First one is about tpac 16:06:58 Daniel: Other is about F2F 16:07:03 howcome has joined #css 16:07:08 http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/108 16:07:08 Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 108 16:07:32 s/CSS2.1/ 16:07:35 / 16:07:47 Interaction of border-image and border-radius 16:08:31 I'm reading clilley's email 16:08:36 I don't understand why it's unclear 16:10:01 + +47.21.65.aaaa 16:11:39 fantasai: I don't see what's unclear here 16:11:55 fantasai: border-radius does not affect the border-image, but it is still used to define the clip areas for other things 16:12:15 -fantasai 16:12:29 fantasai: disconnected... 16:12:30 arronei has joined #CSS 16:12:55 zakim, who is making noise? 16:12:55 +fantasai 16:13:05 Bert, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P8 (14%), glazou (20%) 16:14:05 Sorry late regrets. Got pulled into a meeting. I am on IRC though 16:14:34 Picture(s)? 16:14:49 + +34.60.940.aabb 16:14:53 ACTION: fantasai reply to chrisL 16:15:04 Zakim, +34 is Cesar 16:15:04 +Cesar; got it 16:15:08 http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/107 16:16:02 Could not create new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 16:16:02 Could not create new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened. 16:16:04 Steve: He's talking about when ruby appears both above and below the text 16:16:12 Steve: E.g. University with kana above and English below 16:16:26 Steve: Our default is to put both the kana and the English above, and that doesn't make sense 16:16:40 Steve: What he proposes is I think ok if I understand complex ruby correctlyk 16:17:33 fantasai: We still don't have an editor for Ruby, though 16:17:43 fantasai: Last editor was Paul Nelson, before that Michel Suignard 16:17:47 arronei: can MSFT edit Ruby ? 16:18:00 possibly. I will check with sylvain 16:18:35 Daniel: We have Steve's opinion, need others 16:18:39 fantasai: can ask i18n 16:18:51 ACTION: Steve ask i18n for their opinion 16:19:04 Created ACTION-145 - Ask i18n for their opinion [on Steve Zilles - due 2009-06-03]. 16:19:34 Zakim who is making noise? 16:19:39 - +47.21.65.aaaa 16:19:58 -glazou 16:20:00 ChrisL has joined #css 16:20:28 grrr the bridge does not let come back 16:20:36 +??P3 16:21:05 zakim, ??P3 is me 16:21:05 +ChrisL; got it 16:21:07 +glazou 16:21:28 (sorry to be late, just got back from dentist) 16:21:32 Daniel we cannot understand a word you say 16:21:34 np 16:21:47 hold on 16:21:54 -glazou 16:22:11 + +00472164aacc 16:22:23 +glazou 16:22:46 lol @ morse code 16:24:33 rrsagent, here 16:24:33 See http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-irc#T16-24-33 16:24:47 Discussion with Chris to bring him up to date on the border-radius/border-image issue 16:24:55 Topic: 3rd Agenda Item 16:24:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0200.html 16:25:03 rrsagent, make logs public 16:26:52 fantasai: I think the issue about falling back from viewbox to width/height should be defined in SVG, it's not a CSS issue 16:27:02 fantasai: I don't know what to do about preserveAspectRatio 16:27:25 +[Apple] 16:27:28 ChrisL: pAR is about negotiating between the SVG and the renderer 16:27:35 -dsinger 16:27:43 ChrisL: They negotiate a size and the SVG figures out how to fill that size 16:27:52 zakim, [apple] has dsinger 16:27:52 +dsinger; got it 16:28:51 ChrisL: I think percentages make a lot of sense for dividing the SVG 16:29:04 ChrisL: Rasterization should happen after stretching 16:30:26 fantasai: I think for border-image you basically treat it as pAR none 16:31:22 ChrisL: I want to do the partitioning and scaling on the vector geometry, and then rasterize it 16:33:04 fantasai: If the spec doesn't deal with images that have no intrinsic size, then that's an issue we should address. But the details of viewbox attributes vs width/height attributes should be in the SVG spec 16:33:16 There needs to be a way to specify what size rendering of the svg s desired, for the usual case where its a scalable image without an intrinsic size 16:36:10 fantasai, you suggested using the border box size as the size to render the svg 16:36:20 fantasai: I think I should change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" 16:38:27 fantasai: but other than that, you don't need to pick a size to be able to divide the SVG image 16:38:49 fantasai: and when you scale and place the images, you're using regions defined by the size of the element's border box 16:38:56 fantasai: that do not depend on the image 16:41:54 ACTION: Chris check editor's draft for any needed changes 16:41:54 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Chris 16:41:54 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ChrisWilson, clilley) 16:42:07 ACTION: fantasai change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" 16:42:17 Created ACTION-146 - Change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-06-03]. 16:43:48 -o-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:48 -icab-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:48 -khtml-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:48 -moz-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:48 -webkit-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:49 border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch; 16:43:52 Steve: Might help to come up with examples where the SVG stretches differently 16:44:06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0184.html 16:45:39 fantasai: Bert's message says that the spec is clear on how @rules should be handled inside declaration blocks 16:46:20 fantasai: But the resolution was to change the spec so that they are parsed as invalid @rules rather than as invalid tokens 16:46:30 fantasai: So we don't have a proposal that implements the resolution 16:46:50 Bert: I thought the resolution was to change @page so that the @rules must appear at the end of the @page block 16:46:54 Bert: not to change 2.1 16:47:07 Bert: Surely we have more implementations of 2.1 than of @page 16:47:59 Daniel: So what do we do? 16:48:15 fantasai: well, we /have/ a resolution. If we want, we can reopen the issue 16:48:26 fantasai: but we should do that next week, not this week 16:48:57 Topic: F2F 16:49:24 Daniel: There are a lot of topics on the F2F meeting agenda page 16:49:35 Dnaiel: It would help a lot if people sent emails to say which topics they would like to discuss 16:49:45 Daniel and Peter will prepare the agenda tomorrow 16:49:58 http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009 16:50:12 Daniel: We would like to prepare an agenda by the end of the week, so please send your comments soon 16:50:19 Daniel: Is everyone attending all three days? 16:50:25 http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009 16:50:37 Howcome: I thought I wasn't coming, but I'm coming. 16:52:33 Daniel: In your emails, if you have a car let us know 16:52:48 Daniel: Carpool from Antibes, carpool from airport 16:52:57 Daniel: Bert wanted to know if everyone is staying for the visit to the library 16:53:04 Daniel: If you cannot come, please say 16:53:48 Molly, Anne, and fantasai will be staying near ERCIM 16:54:04 Daniel: If you did not notice, there will be a fee for attending TPAC 16:54:12 Daniel: If you register late it's $75 16:54:47 Daniel: Early it's $50/day 16:54:54 Daniel: So register early 16:56:11 Dsinger: I will want to attend both CSS and HTML5 16:56:17 Steve: I'm chairing a meeting on Thursday 16:56:33 Daniel: Do most of you prefer Mon-Tues? 16:56:41 Daniel: Bert, is there still time to change? 16:56:52 Daniel: Is everyone ok with 2 and 3 of November? 16:57:12 Daniel: Ok, let's try to change for 2nd and 3rd of November 16:57:32 -[Apple] 16:57:58 Steve and Chris want to discuss the IPTV thing 16:58:01 with dsinger 16:58:08 I'm still on IRC 16:58:39 Steve: It seems to be mainly China, Japan, and Korea 16:58:57 will get discussed next week 16:59:27 -fantasai 16:59:28 - +00472164aacc 16:59:29 -ChrisL 16:59:29 Meeting closed 16:59:31 -glazou 16:59:32 -plinss 16:59:32 -Cesar 16:59:34 -SteveZ 16:59:41 -Bert 16:59:42 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 16:59:44 sure 16:59:44 Attendees were glazou, dsinger, plinss, fantasai, SteveZ, Bert, +47.21.65.aaaa, +34.60.940.aabb, Cesar, ChrisL, +00472164aacc 16:59:51 dsinger: no, no call :) just f2f 17:00:04 that's enough :) 17:00:22 Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is Cesar 17:00:22 sorry, cesar_acebal, I do not recognize a party named '+34.60.940.aabb' 17:00:37 although you could perhaps call in? 17:01:04 I'll try to keep IRC running 17:01:16 cesar_acebal has left #css 17:01:53 5-6pm France is 8-9am California, would that slot work for you? 17:04:23 rrsagent, make minutes 17:04:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html ChrisL 17:37:10 dsinger has joined #css 17:58:57 annevk has joined #css 18:30:57 shepazu has joined #css 19:19:47 Zakim has left #CSS 22:03:39 shepazu has joined #css 22:28:09 shepazu: are there non-raster image formats that don't have a coordinate system? 22:28:49 fantasai: I'm not sure how that would work... 22:28:54 I don't know of any 22:29:07 shepazu: requiring the use of units 22:29:37 shepazu: so there wouldn't be a native coord system, you'd have to specify sizes in inches or points or kilometers or something 22:29:40 hmmm.... can you ping the www-svg list about it? chrisL probably would know 22:38:05 shepazu has joined #css 22:45:12 annevk has joined #css 23:10:59 arronei has joined #CSS