IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-05-26

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Zakim, this will be WSRA
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
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Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 26 May 2009
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trackbot, start conference
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Zakim, this will be WSRA
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 26 May 2009
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chair: Bob Freund
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scribe: Paul Nolan
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scribenick: Paul
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Approval of Agenda
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Katy asks if we can touch on 5920
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Added to agenda 5920
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Reqquest to change date of Sept F2F
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6920 yes
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Agenda accepted
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Minutes 19th May
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No objectioms - approved
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19:42:20 [Paul]
call for attendees for June F2F
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TOPIC: Change date for Sept F2F
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request from Dave to move 2 weeks out
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29th - 1st October proposed
19:45:44 [dug]
LOL Bob is planning Ashok's vacation
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Agreed to move date
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New f2f date is Sep 29-Oct 1
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19:48:27 [Bob]
ack tom
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Not much gap between Sept meeting and the November one
19:50:57 [Geoff]
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Geoff: travel approval may be a problem
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TOPIC: snapshot
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Geoff: withdraws new issue
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All issues accepted
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Bob: which snapshot shall we use for June F2F?
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Bob: By 17 June heartbeat publication needed
20:00:04 [dug]
does the NS change?
20:00:31 [Paul]
Bob: Suggests we publish next version as public working draft
20:00:46 [asir]
Yes the namespace name will change
20:01:02 [dug]
is that someone the editor's will do or will yves?
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20:02:03 [Paul]
May snapshot is public working draft
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Microsoft will need to submit formal objection by first week of June to be weaved into status section of second public working draft
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TOPIC: 6401
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wu: meeting Thur. Shared proposal with team. Please have a look
20:05:47 [Katy]
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20:07:50 [Paul]
Gil:issue. Formatting of wrapped and raw notifications. Suggest using a WSDL and Mex to describe formatting of notification
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Bob: is more time needed before the group agrees?
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Gil: yes
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TOPIC: Mode and T/RT consolidation
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Dug: highlights suggestions in wiki for using Policy
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Gil: suggestion b1 avoids the need for full Policy processing capabilities
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Bob: can everyone submit pros and cons to these suggestions?
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Bob: can we have a coordinator? Ideally someone not too close to the topic
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TOPIC: Consolidate T and RT
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Bob: volunteer required to run with this topic
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Geoff volunteerd
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Doug with work with him
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in/out of T ns, in/out of same doc, pros/cons of Dialect attribute
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Bob: Please cover in/out of T NS, same doc or different ones
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Reqults presented at F2F
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TOPIC: 6924
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Gil: This issue is for some way of indicating that there was a problem with a PUT but it is not a message formatting problem
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Geoff: should this be application specific to avoid complexity
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Gil: could be optional so need not be complex
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20:30:17 [Paul]
Katy: Enumeration schema showed up as invalid when checked
20:30:21 [asir]
20:30:29 [Katy]
In the schema, replace:
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<xs:attribute ref="xml:lang" />
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<xs:attribute name="lang" type="xs:language" />
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and remove the namespace prefix "xml" from the enumeration message.
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<wsen:Reason xml:lang="language identifier" >
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</wsen:Reason> ?
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<wsen:Reason lang="language identifier" >
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</wsen:Reason> ?
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<xs:import namespace="" schemaLocation="">
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20:31:59 [Paul]
asir: looks like schema was missing
20:32:34 [Katy]
"language used in the contents and attribute values of any element in an XML
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20:33:19 [Paul]
Katy: will try the suggestion
20:33:20 [Bob]
ack dug
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dug: why do we need the attribute?
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xxx: SOAP 1.2 normally covers xml:lang but enumeration is for a broader audience
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TOPIC: 6906
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Geoff: extension elements and attributes must not use same NS as spec
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doesn't namespace="##other"
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ack gpi
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Gil:Doesnt "##other" cover this?
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Geoff: this suggestion is for completeness
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RESOLVED: as proposed
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TOPIC: 6920
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katy: suggestion does work
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proposal is to update schema to import namespace
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20:43:11 [dug]
20:43:40 [Paul]
Eventing does not need updating
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RESOLUTION: proposal 1
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Dug: issue covers wording of MAY and MUST for handling faults
20:49:43 [gpilz]
"generate" is completely unconstrained
20:50:07 [gpilz]
"MAY generate" and "MUST generate" are semantically equivalent
20:50:49 [Paul]
Geoff: would like to check through all occurances
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Bob: shall we delay for a wek?
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TOPIC: 6712
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20:53:10 [Paul]
Dug: Geoff was going to explain resource representation
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20:53:41 [asir]
I thought that Katy wanted to discuss issue 6721 rather than 6712
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Dug: compare Create with Get - do they return the same thing?
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Katy said that Paul can cover it in her absence
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Geoff: Can we make assumptions clearer in the spec
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Dug: Create and Put have some symetry. The simple case is clear however what happens with an instruction
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Geoff: instructions and simple elements can looks the same however they do not need to
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asir: I like consistency
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not true
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Geoff: service will provide the means to distinguish between the two
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Bye, have a nice summer, speak to you in Sept (when all the issues are closed :o) )
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.415.921.aaaa, Tom_Rutt, +0207827aabb, Mark_Little, [IPcaller], [Microsoft], Wu_Chou, Ashok_Malhotra, +0192670aacc, Gilbert, Doug_Davis, Yves, +1.408.202.aadd,
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... +1.571.262.aaee, Fred, +1.415.921.aaff
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tracker, end telcon
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trackbot, end telcon
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items