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18:54:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
18:54:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
18:54:50 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2009
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19:17:57 <Bob> rrsagent. generate minutes
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19:18:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
19:18:34 <Bob> trackbot, start conference
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19:18:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
19:18:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
19:18:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
19:18:40 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2009
19:18:48 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:18:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
19:19:16 <Bob> chair: Bob Freund
19:24:32 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0171.html
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19:36:28 <Bob> scribe: Paul Nolan
19:36:38 <Bob> scribenick: Paul
19:36:59 <Paul> Approval of Agenda
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19:38:51 <Paul> Katy asks if we can touch on 5920
19:39:08 <Paul> Added to agenda 5920
19:39:10 <Bob> s/5920/6920
19:39:37 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aaee
19:39:54 <Paul> Reqquest to change date of Sept F2F
19:39:59 <asir> 5920?
19:40:06 <dug> 6920
19:40:16 <Paul> 6920 yes
19:40:33 <asir> s/5920/6920/g
19:40:39 <Paul> Agenda accepted
19:40:49 <Paul> Minutes 19th May
19:41:00 <Paul> No objectioms - approved
19:41:02 <Zakim> +Fred
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19:42:17 <dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43088/200906F2FReg/
19:42:20 <Paul> call for attendees for June F2F
19:43:15 <Paul> TOPIC: Change date for Sept F2F
19:43:56 <Paul> request from Dave to move 2 weeks out
19:44:34 <Katy> 29th - 1st October proposed
19:45:44 <dug> LOL Bob is planning Ashok's vacation 
19:46:04 <Paul> Agreed to move date
19:47:11 <TomRutt> q+
19:47:28 <Bob> New f2f date is Sep 29-Oct 1
19:47:37 <Bob> Nov TPAC http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html
19:48:27 <Bob> ack tom
19:50:19 <Paul> Not much gap between Sept meeting and the November one
19:50:57 <Geoff> q+
19:51:06 <Bob> ack geoff
19:52:54 <Paul> Geoff: travel approval may be a problem
19:53:44 <Geoff> q+
19:54:07 <Paul> TOPIC: snapshot
19:54:14 <Bob> ack geo
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19:55:04 <Paul> Geoff: withdraws new issue
19:55:43 <Paul> All issues accepted
19:57:05 <Paul> Bob: which snapshot shall we use for June F2F?
19:58:36 <Paul> Bob: By 17 June heartbeat publication needed
20:00:04 <dug> does the NS change?
20:00:31 <Paul> Bob: Suggests we publish next version as public working draft
20:00:46 <asir> Yes the namespace name will change
20:01:02 <dug> is that someone the editor's will do or will yves?
20:01:08 <dug> s/editor's/editors/
20:01:35 <dug> thanks
20:02:03 <Paul> May snapshot is public working draft
20:02:12 <dug> s/someone/something/   
20:02:13 <dug> geez
20:02:21 <Geoff> Microsoft will need to submit formal objection by first week of June to be weaved into status section of second public working draft
20:03:19 <Paul> TOPIC: 6401
20:04:39 <Paul> wu: meeting Thur. Shared proposal with team. Please have a look
20:05:47 <Katy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0170.html
20:07:30 <Zakim> -Mark_Little
20:07:50 <Paul> Gil:issue. Formatting of wrapped and raw notifications. Suggest using a WSDL and Mex to describe formatting of notification
20:08:49 <Paul> Bob: is more time needed before the group agrees?
20:09:03 <Paul> Gil: yes
20:09:47 <dug> q+
20:10:16 <dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/wiki/Proposals_for_6692#Proposal_B._remove_wse:Delivery_element_and_all_it.27s_sub-elements
20:10:21 <Paul> TOPIC: Mode and T/RT consolidation
20:10:30 <Bob> ack dug
20:12:02 <Paul> Dug: highlights suggestions in wiki  for using Policy 
20:12:16 <gpilz> q+
20:12:47 <Bob> ack gil
20:14:32 <Paul> Gil: suggestion b1 avoids the need for full Policy processing capabilities
20:15:33 <Paul> Bob: can everyone submit pros and cons to these suggestions?
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20:16:26 <Paul> Bob: can we have a coordinator? Ideally someone not too close to the topic
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20:18:49 <Paul> TOPIC: Consolidate T and RT
20:19:28 <Paul> Bob: volunteer required to run with this topic
20:20:01 <Paul> Geoff volunteerd
20:20:13 <Paul> Doug with work with him
20:21:22 <dug> in/out of T ns, in/out of same doc, pros/cons of Dialect attribute
20:21:23 <Paul> Bob: Please cover in/out of T NS, same doc or different ones
20:21:35 <Paul> Reqults presented at F2F
20:21:48 <asir> s/Reqults/Results/
20:22:12 <Paul> TOPIC: 6924
20:23:00 <Katy> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6924
20:23:29 <dug> q+
20:24:21 <Bob> ack gpi
20:24:25 <Geoff> q+
20:24:27 <Bob> ack dug
20:24:47 <Paul> Gil: This issue is for some way of indicating that there was a problem with a PUT but it is not a message formatting problem
20:26:01 <Bob> ack geoff
20:26:09 <dug> q+
20:26:47 <gpilz> q+
20:26:53 <Bob> ack dug
20:27:31 <Paul> Geoff: should this be application specific to avoid complexity
20:27:33 <Bob> ack gpi
20:28:33 <Paul> Gil: could be optional so need not be complex
20:28:40 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6920
20:28:58 <Paul> TOPIC:6920
20:30:17 <Paul> Katy: Enumeration schema showed up as invalid when checked
20:30:21 <asir> q+
20:30:29 <Katy> In the schema, replace:
20:30:29 <Katy>   <xs:attribute ref="xml:lang" />
20:30:29 <Katy> with
20:30:29 <Katy>   <xs:attribute name="lang" type="xs:language" />
20:30:42 <Katy> and remove the namespace prefix "xml" from the enumeration message.  
20:30:42 <Katy> So
20:30:42 <Katy>   <wsen:Reason xml:lang="language identifier" >
20:30:42 <Katy>       xs:string
20:30:42 <Katy>   </wsen:Reason> ?
20:30:42 <Katy> becomes:
20:30:44 <Katy>   <wsen:Reason lang="language identifier" >
20:30:46 <Katy>       xs:string
20:30:48 <Katy>    </wsen:Reason> ?
20:31:05 <Bob> ack asir
20:31:28 <asir> <xs:import namespace="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace" schemaLocation="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd">
20:31:59 <dug> q+
20:31:59 <Paul> asir: looks like schema was missing
20:32:34 <Katy> "language used in the contents and attribute values of any element in an XML
20:32:34 <Katy> document"
20:33:19 <Paul> Katy: will try the suggestion
20:33:20 <Bob> ack dug
20:33:46 <Paul> dug: why do we need the attribute?
20:36:49 <Paul> xxx: SOAP 1.2 normally covers xml:lang but enumeration is for a broader audience
20:37:03 <Paul> TOPIC: 6906
20:37:52 <gpilz> q+
20:38:03 <Paul> Geoff: extension elements and attributes must not use same NS as spec
20:38:15 <gpilz> doesn't namespace="##other"
20:38:25 <Bob> ack gpi
20:39:10 <Paul> Gil:Doesnt "##other" cover this?
20:39:11 <dug> q+
20:39:19 <dug> q-
20:39:21 <Bob> ack dug
20:39:54 <Paul> Geoff: this suggestion is for completeness
20:40:25 <Paul> RESOLVED: as proposed
20:40:48 <Paul> TOPIC: 6920
20:41:00 <Paul> katy: suggestion does work
20:41:29 <Paul> proposal is to update schema to import namespace
20:42:27 <asir> q+
20:43:11 <dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wseventing.html#Schema
20:43:40 <Paul> Eventing does not need updating
20:44:21 <Paul> RESOLUTION: proposal 1
20:45:06 <Geoff> q+
20:45:21 <Bob> ack geo
20:45:32 <Paul> TOPIC: 
20:45:34 <Bob> ack asir
20:46:31 <gpilz> q+
20:47:25 <Bob> ack gpi
20:47:33 <Paul> Dug: issue covers wording of MAY and MUST for handling faults
20:49:43 <gpilz> "generate" is completely unconstrained
20:50:07 <gpilz> "MAY generate" and "MUST generate" are semantically equivalent
20:50:49 <Paul> Geoff: would like to check through all occurances 
20:51:11 <Paul> Bob: shall we delay for a wek?
20:51:19 <Paul> yes
20:52:16 <Paul> TOPIC: 6712
20:52:59 <dug> q+
20:53:10 <Paul> Dug: Geoff was going to explain resource representation
20:53:39 <Bob> ack dug
20:53:41 <asir> I thought that Katy wanted to discuss issue 6721 rather than 6712
20:54:22 <Paul> Dug: compare Create with Get - do they return the same thing?
20:54:52 <Bob> Katy said that Paul can cover it in her absence
20:55:08 <dug> q+
20:55:21 <asir> okay
20:55:56 <Paul> Geoff: Can we make assumptions clearer in the spec
20:56:07 <Bob> ack dug
20:57:52 <Geoff> q+
20:57:58 <Paul> Dug: Create and Put have some symetry. The simple case is clear however what happens with an instruction
20:58:03 <Bob> ack geo
20:58:20 <dug> q+
20:59:21 <Paul> Geoff: instructions and simple elements can looks the same however they do not need to
20:59:28 <dug> asir: I like consistency  
20:59:53 <dug> q-
21:00:27 <asir> not true
21:01:24 <Paul> Geoff: service will provide the means to distinguish between the two
21:01:25 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
21:01:25 <Katy> Bye, have a nice summer, speak to you in Sept (when all the issues are closed :o) )
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21:02:43 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:02:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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21:02:43 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
21:02:44 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.415.921.aaaa, Tom_Rutt, +0207827aabb, Mark_Little, [IPcaller], [Microsoft], Wu_Chou, Ashok_Malhotra, +0192670aacc, Gilbert, Doug_Davis, Yves, +1.408.202.aadd,
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21:06:14 <Yves> tracker, end telcon
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21:06:22 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:06:22 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:06:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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