IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-05-26
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 May 2009
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- rrsagent. generate minutes
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- trackbot, start conference
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- Zakim, this will be WSRA
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 May 2009
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- chair: Bob Freund
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0171.html
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- +Mark_Little
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +Wu_Chou
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- + +0192670aacc
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- +Gilbert
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- +Doug_Davis
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- +Yves
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- + +1.408.202.aadd
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- scribe: Paul Nolan
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- scribenick: Paul
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- Approval of Agenda
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- Katy asks if we can touch on 5920
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- Added to agenda 5920
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- s/5920/6920
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- + +1.571.262.aaee
- 19:39:54 [Paul]
- Reqquest to change date of Sept F2F
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- 5920?
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- 6920
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- 6920 yes
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- s/5920/6920/g
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- Agenda accepted
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- Minutes 19th May
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- No objectioms - approved
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- +Fred
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- - +1.408.202.aadd
- 19:42:17 [dug]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43088/200906F2FReg/
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- call for attendees for June F2F
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- TOPIC: Change date for Sept F2F
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- request from Dave to move 2 weeks out
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- 29th - 1st October proposed
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- LOL Bob is planning Ashok's vacation
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- Agreed to move date
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- q+
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- New f2f date is Sep 29-Oct 1
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- Nov TPAC http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html
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- ack tom
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- Not much gap between Sept meeting and the November one
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- q+
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- ack geoff
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- Geoff: travel approval may be a problem
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- q+
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- TOPIC: snapshot
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- ack geo
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- Geoff: withdraws new issue
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- All issues accepted
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- Bob: which snapshot shall we use for June F2F?
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- Bob: By 17 June heartbeat publication needed
- 20:00:04 [dug]
- does the NS change?
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- Bob: Suggests we publish next version as public working draft
- 20:00:46 [asir]
- Yes the namespace name will change
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- is that someone the editor's will do or will yves?
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- s/editor's/editors/
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- thanks
- 20:02:03 [Paul]
- May snapshot is public working draft
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- s/someone/something/
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- geez
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- Microsoft will need to submit formal objection by first week of June to be weaved into status section of second public working draft
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- TOPIC: 6401
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- wu: meeting Thur. Shared proposal with team. Please have a look
- 20:05:47 [Katy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0170.html
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- -Mark_Little
- 20:07:50 [Paul]
- Gil:issue. Formatting of wrapped and raw notifications. Suggest using a WSDL and Mex to describe formatting of notification
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- Bob: is more time needed before the group agrees?
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- Gil: yes
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- q+
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/wiki/Proposals_for_6692#Proposal_B._remove_wse:Delivery_element_and_all_it.27s_sub-elements
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- TOPIC: Mode and T/RT consolidation
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- ack dug
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- Dug: highlights suggestions in wiki for using Policy
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- q+
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- ack gil
- 20:14:32 [Paul]
- Gil: suggestion b1 avoids the need for full Policy processing capabilities
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- Bob: can everyone submit pros and cons to these suggestions?
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- Bob: can we have a coordinator? Ideally someone not too close to the topic
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- + +1.415.921.aaff
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- TOPIC: Consolidate T and RT
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- Bob: volunteer required to run with this topic
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- Geoff volunteerd
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- Doug with work with him
- 20:21:22 [dug]
- in/out of T ns, in/out of same doc, pros/cons of Dialect attribute
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- Bob: Please cover in/out of T NS, same doc or different ones
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- Reqults presented at F2F
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- s/Reqults/Results/
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- TOPIC: 6924
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6924
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- q+
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- ack gpi
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- q+
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- ack dug
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- Gil: This issue is for some way of indicating that there was a problem with a PUT but it is not a message formatting problem
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- ack geoff
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack dug
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- Geoff: should this be application specific to avoid complexity
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- ack gpi
- 20:28:33 [Paul]
- Gil: could be optional so need not be complex
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6920
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- TOPIC:6920
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- Katy: Enumeration schema showed up as invalid when checked
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- q+
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- In the schema, replace:
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- <xs:attribute ref="xml:lang" />
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- with
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- <xs:attribute name="lang" type="xs:language" />
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- and remove the namespace prefix "xml" from the enumeration message.
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- So
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- <wsen:Reason xml:lang="language identifier" >
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- xs:string
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- </wsen:Reason> ?
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- becomes:
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- <wsen:Reason lang="language identifier" >
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- xs:string
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- </wsen:Reason> ?
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- ack asir
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- <xs:import namespace="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace" schemaLocation="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd">
- 20:31:59 [dug]
- q+
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- asir: looks like schema was missing
- 20:32:34 [Katy]
- "language used in the contents and attribute values of any element in an XML
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- document"
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- Katy: will try the suggestion
- 20:33:20 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- dug: why do we need the attribute?
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- xxx: SOAP 1.2 normally covers xml:lang but enumeration is for a broader audience
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- TOPIC: 6906
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- q+
- 20:38:03 [Paul]
- Geoff: extension elements and attributes must not use same NS as spec
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- doesn't namespace="##other"
- 20:38:25 [Bob]
- ack gpi
- 20:39:10 [Paul]
- Gil:Doesnt "##other" cover this?
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack dug
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- Geoff: this suggestion is for completeness
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- RESOLVED: as proposed
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- TOPIC: 6920
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- katy: suggestion does work
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- proposal is to update schema to import namespace
- 20:42:27 [asir]
- q+
- 20:43:11 [dug]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wseventing.html#Schema
- 20:43:40 [Paul]
- Eventing does not need updating
- 20:44:21 [Paul]
- RESOLUTION: proposal 1
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- q+
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- ack geo
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- TOPIC:
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- ack asir
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- q+
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- ack gpi
- 20:47:33 [Paul]
- Dug: issue covers wording of MAY and MUST for handling faults
- 20:49:43 [gpilz]
- "generate" is completely unconstrained
- 20:50:07 [gpilz]
- "MAY generate" and "MUST generate" are semantically equivalent
- 20:50:49 [Paul]
- Geoff: would like to check through all occurances
- 20:51:11 [Paul]
- Bob: shall we delay for a wek?
- 20:51:19 [Paul]
- yes
- 20:52:16 [Paul]
- TOPIC: 6712
- 20:52:59 [dug]
- q+
- 20:53:10 [Paul]
- Dug: Geoff was going to explain resource representation
- 20:53:39 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 20:53:41 [asir]
- I thought that Katy wanted to discuss issue 6721 rather than 6712
- 20:54:22 [Paul]
- Dug: compare Create with Get - do they return the same thing?
- 20:54:52 [Bob]
- Katy said that Paul can cover it in her absence
- 20:55:08 [dug]
- q+
- 20:55:21 [asir]
- okay
- 20:55:56 [Paul]
- Geoff: Can we make assumptions clearer in the spec
- 20:56:07 [Bob]
- ack dug
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- q+
- 20:57:58 [Paul]
- Dug: Create and Put have some symetry. The simple case is clear however what happens with an instruction
- 20:58:03 [Bob]
- ack geo
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- q+
- 20:59:21 [Paul]
- Geoff: instructions and simple elements can looks the same however they do not need to
- 20:59:28 [dug]
- asir: I like consistency
- 20:59:53 [dug]
- q-
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- not true
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- Geoff: service will provide the means to distinguish between the two
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- Bye, have a nice summer, speak to you in Sept (when all the issues are closed :o) )
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Gilbert
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- -Wu_Chou
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- -Fred
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- -Yves
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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- - +0207827aabb
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.415.921.aaaa, Tom_Rutt, +0207827aabb, Mark_Little, [IPcaller], [Microsoft], Wu_Chou, Ashok_Malhotra, +0192670aacc, Gilbert, Doug_Davis, Yves, +1.408.202.aadd,
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- ... +1.571.262.aaee, Fred, +1.415.921.aaff
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- tracker, end telcon
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- trackbot, end telcon
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-ws-ra-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 21:06:24 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items