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12:00:07 <joakim> chair: Joakim
12:00:33 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.17.aaaa
12:01:04 <Zakim> +florian
12:01:08 <Zakim> +pchampin
12:01:16 <joakim> zakim, aaaa is joakim
12:01:16 <Zakim> +joakim; got it
12:01:22 <Zakim> +wonsuk
12:02:03 <Zakim> + +0436991876aabb
12:02:17 <wbailer> zakim, aabb is wbailer
12:02:17 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
12:02:29 <joakim> Meeting: MAWG
12:04:01 <pchampin> zakim, who is here?
12:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, joakim, florian, pchampin, wonsuk, wbailer
12:04:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, joakim, pchampin, wonsuk, florian, tobias, wbailer, shepazu, trackbot
12:04:19 <tobias> zakim, ??P0 is me
12:04:19 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
12:04:26 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:04:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose joakim
12:04:30 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:04:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose wbailer
12:05:07 <wbailer> i volunteered for next week
12:05:11 <joakim> zakim, pick a victim
12:05:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose wonsuk
12:06:37 <joakim> agenda. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0107.html
12:06:55 <joakim> Regrets: Raphael, Chris and JP
12:07:54 <tobias> meeting minutes: accepted.
12:08:06 <tobias> scribe: tobias
12:08:09 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:08:36 <tobias> ACTION-43 pending.
12:09:04 <tobias> ACTION-47 ongoing.
12:09:21 <tobias> ACTION-101 ongoing.
12:10:01 <tobias> s/ACTION-101/ACTION-102
12:10:11 <wbailer> +1
12:10:23 <pchampin> +1
12:10:30 <florian> +1
12:10:36 <tobias> close ACTION-109
12:10:36 <trackbot> ACTION-109 Elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28 closed
12:10:48 <tobias> close ACTION-118
12:10:48 <trackbot> ACTION-118 Put terminology discussion on the agenda for next telecon closed
12:11:05 <tobias> close ACTION-119
12:11:05 <trackbot> ACTION-119 Review the Ontology document closed
12:11:52 <tobias> close ACTION-120
12:11:52 <trackbot> ACTION-120 Submit our vocabulary to the Media Fragment WG for comments closed
12:12:38 <tobias> AGENDA ITEM: Initial draft of "Ontology for Media Entity 1.0"
12:13:14 <tobias> wonsuk: explains status of the draft document.
12:14:19 <tobias> wonsuk: status has already been sent to the list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0113.html
12:14:53 <tobias> wonsuk: made a new draft based on the comments; added the mawg properties
12:15:34 <wonsuk> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html%3Frev%3D1.7%26content-type%3Dtext/html;%2520charset%3Dutf-8%23tbd&doc2=http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
12:16:11 <tobias> wonsuk: link to see the diff between new and old version of the draft
12:18:41 <tobias> joakim: is update from david singer incorporated in the draft?
12:18:59 <tobias> wonsuk: not planned to add it to the document.
12:20:19 <tobias> joakim: should we discuss the descriptions and include them in the second version?
12:20:36 <tobias> florian: agrees; list with properties should do it for the moment.
12:20:50 <tobias> florian: would add note that we include the types and further information later.
12:21:01 <tobias> florian: we can discuss it in the F2F.
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12:21:33 <tobias> joakim: thanks Wonsuk for his excellent work on the document!
12:22:37 <joakim> Hi felix, thanks for the review
12:22:49 <joakim> Please what is the status on action 101?
12:23:02 <Zakim> +??P10
12:23:06 <joakim> "To clrify arrow + description in UC doc"
12:24:58 <tobias> close ACTION-101
12:24:58 <trackbot> ACTION-101 Clarify arrow + descriptions for the diagram in section 3 of UC & req dcouments closed
12:25:36 <tobias> joakim: use case and requirements document seems to have been published.
12:25:52 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-annot-reqs/
12:26:27 <fsasaki> above is version from Jan. 19th
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12:28:11 <tobias> joakim: how can we check if the document is published?
12:28:34 <tobias> ACTION: joakim to remind doug to publish requirements document
12:28:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Remind doug to publish requirements document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-06-02].
12:29:12 <tobias> ACTION: joakim to talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication
12:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-06-02].
12:29:59 <joakim> Veronique, please what is the status on ACTION-102?
12:30:08 <joakim> Update canonical processes use cases?
12:31:06 <veroniqueM> The idea was to gather feedback from the community and edit additions to the UC and req doc once more feedback is gathered
12:31:17 <veroniqueM> maybe it's a good idea to close this item :)
12:31:27 <tobias> joakim: we decided to try to resolve open issues during the F2F
12:31:35 <tobias> close ACTION-102
12:31:35 <trackbot> ACTION-102 Update canonical processes use cases closed
12:32:03 <tobias> AGENDA ITEM [b] ii) Terminology
12:32:06 <joakim> Media Entity vs. Entity Endeavour
12:32:24 <tobias> florian: we should stay with "media entity", otherwise the discussion will not end.
12:32:24 <joakim>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0090.html
12:32:50 <tobias> werner: Silvia commented on Wonsuks mail about the terminology.
12:33:24 <tobias> werner: Silvia said if we want to be compatible with the media fragments group we should stick to the URI resource definition
12:33:43 <pchampin> URI RFC: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2396.html
12:34:14 <tobias> werner: we should look at the URI RFC to end up with a compatible terminology.
12:34:53 <tobias> pierre-antoine: resource definition from URI RFC is quite general
12:36:02 <tobias> pierre-antoine: maybe we should stick to "resource" and acknowledge that there are different types of resources (information resource vs. non-information resource)
12:36:11 <joakim> are you proposing that we should use "Media Resource" instead of Media Entity then?
12:36:24 <pchampin> yes
12:36:25 <joakim> ok:-)
12:37:33 <tobias> pierre-antoine: distinction resource vs. representation is in contradiction that we do not commit to media hierarchy (such as the one from FRBR)
12:38:25 <joakim> using "Media Resource" would make us compatible with Media fragments!
12:39:07 <tobias> joakim: keep media entity or change it before publishing?
12:39:21 <tobias> florian: we should keep "media entity"
12:39:40 <tobias> werner: it would be more tricky to change it later
12:39:52 <tobias> werner: prefers to clarify before publication.
12:40:10 <veroniqueM> I think thatwe should go for interoperability with the media fragment group, but we need a term that is more generic than media resource if it has to encompass media resource AND representation
12:41:22 <tobias> joakim: could someone summarize the points pierre-antoine made?
12:41:47 <tobias> joakim: ...to argue for "media resource" and then decide on the mailing list if we change the name
12:42:41 <joakim> PA would it be possible for you to write such an email to the public list?
12:42:53 <pchampin> yes
12:43:34 <tobias> joakim: we should decide next week if we change the name or not.
12:43:53 <tobias> joakim: wonsuk, what else are you missing from the group in order to have a final draft?
12:44:44 <tobias> wonsuk: we are almost done; we need to add some descriptions for two properties (targetAudience, locator)
12:46:33 <tobias> wonsuk: if anyone has comments to improve 4.1.1 : very welcome!
12:46:58 <tobias> wonsuk: otherwise the document is quite final.
12:47:57 <tobias> ACTION: joakim to ask the mailing list to provide descriptions for targetAudience/locator
12:47:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Ask the mailing list to provide descriptions for targetAudience/locator [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-06-02].
12:48:43 <tobias> wonsuk: we need a clarification of 4.1.1
12:49:08 <joakim> 4.1.1 Description of approach for the property definitions
12:49:34 <tobias> wonsuk: ...the title makes sense, we could publish in this state, but some more ideas for this part are highly welcome to improve this part.
12:53:39 <joakim> Vernoique?
12:53:55 <veroniqueM> I am not on the phone...
12:54:30 <veroniqueM> I could have a look at the updated version of the document and send comments to the WG's list
12:54:47 <tobias> joakim: we should keep 4.1.1; but elaborate it more
12:54:48 <veroniqueM> if that was the question :)
12:55:01 <veroniqueM> I think that we should change the title
12:55:08 <veroniqueM> we do not define the properties
12:55:17 <joakim> Vernoique, can you elaborate 4.1.1?
12:55:29 <florian> +1 veronique
12:55:32 <veroniqueM> we simply selected a number of these
12:55:48 <tobias> @Wonsuk: could you explain your needs to Veronique regarding 4.1.1?
12:56:02 <veroniqueM> I can have a look at the doc and propose changes, I can send them to the list...
12:57:01 <tobias> \me @Veronique: Wonsuk will write you an email
12:58:15 <tobias> joakim: if we have the update on 4.1.1+ description of attributes by the end of this week, we could have a new draft by the next telecon
12:58:36 <veroniqueM> right
12:58:45 <veroniqueM> how about the introduction?
12:58:52 <veroniqueM> did anyone have comments about it?
12:59:05 <veroniqueM> it is quite a crucial part of the document!
12:59:11 <joakim> I have revised it1§
12:59:20 <joakim> I have revised it!
12:59:22 <veroniqueM> I know
12:59:28 <wonsuk> Tobias gave the comment for introduction.
12:59:32 <veroniqueM> I was wondering if you had had feedback about it
12:59:34 <joakim> Do you want another round?
12:59:36 <veroniqueM> ok!
12:59:40 <veroniqueM> no, no
12:59:46 <veroniqueM> I was just asking :)
12:59:57 <tobias> joakim: AOB?
13:00:01 <veroniqueM> perfect if everyone is fine with it!
13:00:12 <tobias> joakim: conference is closed for today!
13:00:21 <joakim> bue
13:00:24 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:00:24 <joakim> bye
13:00:25 <Zakim> -florian
13:00:26 <florian> bye bye
13:00:27 <Zakim> -Felix
13:00:31 <wonsuk> bye~~
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13:01:07 <tobias> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/26-mediaann-minutes.html tobias
13:01:20 <joakim> Thanks Tobias for scribing!
13:01:28 <tobias> you are welcome :-)
13:01:29 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:02:58 <Zakim> -tobias
13:02:59 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:03:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +46.1.07.17.aaaa, florian, pchampin, joakim, wonsuk, +0436991876aabb, wbailer, tobias, Felix
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