12:57:31 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 12:57:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-irc 12:57:33 Zakim has joined #swxg 12:57:43 trackbot, start meeting 12:57:44 zakim, this will be SOXG 12:57:44 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, danbri 12:57:45 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:57:47 Zakim, this will be 7994 12:57:47 ok, trackbot; I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 12:57:48 Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference 12:57:48 Date: 20 May 2009 12:57:52 thanks 12:58:12 how did trackbot do that? :) 12:58:23 it's called magic 12:58:23 cool! 12:58:47 Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.rdf 12:58:47 working on it, dom 12:58:48 done reading agenda, dom 12:58:51 string matching 12:59:09 zakim, agenda? 12:59:09 I see nothing on the agenda 12:59:25 zakim, mute me 12:59:25 sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is 12:59:28 zqkim, who's on the call 12:59:33 zakim, who's on the call 12:59:33 I don't understand 'who's on the call', karl 12:59:40 zakim, who's her? 12:59:40 I don't understand your question, karl. 12:59:41 zakim, this will be SWXG 12:59:41 ok, tinkster, I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM already started 12:59:42 zakim, who's on the call? 12:59:42 zakim, who's here? 12:59:43 On the phone I see +1.314.705.aaaa, karl, tinkster, ??P0, ??P8 12:59:44 On the phone I see +1.314.705.aaaa, karl, tinkster, ??P0, ??P8 12:59:45 On IRC I see RRSAgent, DKA, mischat, oshani, renato, AlexKorth, danbri, melvster, AdamB, pchampin, raphael, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, trackbot, uldis, dom, AlexPassant 12:59:50 zakim, mute me 12:59:50 tinkster should now be muted 12:59:52 -??P8 13:00:10 Hello all! 13:00:17 zakim, mute me 13:00:17 karl should now be muted 13:00:18 +??P11 13:00:21 +??P8 13:00:33 +MIT531 13:00:34 Zakim, ??P11 is me 13:00:35 +AlexPassant; got it 13:00:38 zakim, who am i? 13:00:38 I don't understand your question, DKA. 13:00:43 zakim, .aaaa is me 13:00:43 sorry, AdamB, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa' 13:00:47 zakim, MIT531 is me 13:00:47 +oshani; got it 13:00:48 -> http://w3csocialweb.tumblr.com/post/110450120/lifestreams-the-time-of-specs Last week in the Social Web 13:00:48 zakim, ??p8 is me. 13:00:48 +DKA; got it 13:00:51 +??P14 13:00:53 zakim, mute me 13:00:53 oshani should now be muted 13:00:55 zakim, aaaa is me 13:00:55 +AdamB; got it 13:01:28 I again have no clue of who I am on the phone. Experiences with skype, anyone? 13:01:35 +??P13 13:01:50 zankim, I am +??P14 13:01:53 zakim, ??P13 is me 13:01:53 +mischat; got it 13:02:01 zakim, mute me 13:02:01 mischat should now be muted 13:02:14 zakim, who is here? 13:02:14 On the phone I see AdamB, karl (muted), tinkster (muted), ??P0, AlexPassant, DKA, oshani (muted), ??P14, mischat (muted) 13:02:16 On IRC I see RRSAgent, DKA, mischat, oshani, renato, AlexKorth, danbri, melvster, AdamB, pchampin, raphael, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, trackbot, uldis, dom, AlexPassant 13:02:19 zakim, I am ??P14 13:02:19 +renato; got it 13:02:42 Toby 13:02:58 zakim, ??P14 is probably me 13:02:58 I already had ??P14 as renato, AlexKorth 13:03:10 +Hakan 13:03:24 zakim, ??P0 is probably me 13:03:24 +AlexKorth?; got it 13:03:41 zakim, who is here? 13:03:41 On the phone I see AdamB, karl (muted), tinkster (muted), AlexKorth?, AlexPassant, DKA, oshani (muted), renato, mischat (muted), Hakan 13:03:43 On IRC I see RRSAgent, DKA, mischat, oshani, renato, AlexKorth, danbri, melvster, AdamB, pchampin, raphael, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, trackbot, uldis, dom, AlexPassant 13:03:48 +??P22 13:03:52 zakim, ??P2 is danbri 13:03:52 +danbri; got it 13:04:06 +HenryStory 13:04:27 yes 13:04:51 I can do if no-one else wants to. 13:04:57 zakim, unmute me 13:04:57 karl should no longer be muted 13:05:02 tinkster++! 13:05:03 thanks 13:05:10 tinkster, did you did it last week? 13:05:11 Scribe: Toby 13:05:18 ScribeNick: tinkster 13:05:21 ScribeNick: tinkster 13:05:51 DKA: Kicking off with Harry's agenda. Topic #1 is review of last week's minutes. Any objections? 13:05:59 http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-swxg-minutes.html 13:06:43 DKA: Discussion of task forces. Lots about this last week. Two proposals from last meeting. 13:07:07 q+ 13:07:08 correct 13:07:10 can privacy and context merge ? 13:07:11 ... Privacy TF, Portability & Arch TF. Karl and Joaquim as possible leaders? 13:07:41 Karl: Joaquim was not interested in leading TF, but in looking at scope of TF to make sure not too broad. 13:07:47 +1 to merging privacy and context task forces 13:07:55 +pchampin 13:08:01 mtiffiel = mischat 13:08:10 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories 13:08:11 ... has been progress on user stories thanks to Oshani and someone else (Mischa?) on Wiki. 13:08:11 +1 to merging privacy and context task forces 13:08:28 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories User Stories 13:08:56 zakim, unmute me 13:08:56 oshani should no longer be muted 13:09:00 i have also put some text regarding privacy here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics 13:09:06 zakim, mute me 13:09:06 karl should now be muted 13:09:07 Karl: Not able to introduce the user stories, but Oshani can. 13:10:02 + +1.510.931.aabb 13:10:19 oshani: User stories - #1 intransitive nature of privacy policies. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Intransitivity_of_Rules.2FPolicies_Applied_to_Social_Network_Data 13:10:23 bblfish has joined #swxg 13:10:52 hi 13:11:12 q+ 13:11:19 ack karl 13:11:24 zakim, mute me 13:11:24 karl should now be muted 13:11:38 ack mis 13:11:48 mischat: Hello. 13:12:01 zakin, muted me 13:12:05 zakim, mute me 13:12:05 mischat should now be muted 13:12:20 what's the app's name? 13:12:21 oshani: #2 Inferences based on Contextual Data http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Inferences_based_on_Contextual_Data 13:12:36 k 13:13:31 zakim, unmute me 13:13:31 oshani was not muted, oshani 13:13:33 harry did those as far as i am aware 13:13:42 q+ 13:13:44 zakim, mute me 13:13:44 oshani should now be muted 13:14:00 mischat: Other user stories were submitted by Harry (who sends regrets). 13:14:03 there's the interesting story of the French TF1 journalist who wrote privately to his MP criticising the hadopi law passing in parliament which found it's way into the hands of the minister, and then into the hands of his employer, who then sacked him. 13:14:18 DKA: danbri made a remark about throwaway identities. 13:14:18 Viktor has joined #swxg 13:15:26 danbri: OpenID - single use accounts ; how are two different accounts connected to each other? 13:16:03 ... If one OpenID site has something nice to say about me, then the karma associated with that account, should carry across to other IDs. 13:16:21 DKA: This sounds plausible. Is it related to privacy? 13:16:35 ACTION danbri to document throwaway IDs on Wiki 13:16:35 Created ACTION-8 - Document throwaway IDs on Wiki [on Dan Brickley - due 2009-05-27]. 13:16:41 i have put some text up re privacy and context 13:16:47 i could talk through it 13:16:51 action: danbri write up user story about different kinds of "single use" openids (eg. karma) 13:16:51 Created ACTION-9 - Write up user story about different kinds of "single use" openids (eg. karma) [on Dan Brickley - due 2009-05-27]. 13:16:53 throwaway IDs: good point 13:17:08 DKA: any other user stories to highlight? 13:17:19 zakim, unmute me 13:17:19 mischat should no longer be muted 13:17:27 ... can mischat elaborate on where to take these stories next? 13:17:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics 13:18:08 mib_84g3c5 has joined #swxg 13:18:15 mischat: was actioned to put up some info on privacy and context. There was no "champion" for Context - if it needs to be merged, then perhaps with Privacy. 13:18:32 +uldis 13:18:44 Zakim: mute me 13:19:02 Zakim, mute me 13:19:02 uldis should now be muted 13:19:12 ... People benefit from context - one of the main benefits of social networks. There's a tension between privacy and involvement in a network. 13:19:29 there has been some work on co-ownership of data on SNs : see http://www2009.eprints.org/53/1/p521.pdf 13:19:39 Zakim, who is here? 13:19:39 On the phone I see AdamB, karl (muted), tinkster (muted), AlexKorth?, AlexPassant, DKA, oshani (muted), renato, mischat, Hakan, danbri, HenryStory, pchampin (muted), 13:19:42 ... +1.510.931.aabb, uldis (muted) 13:19:43 ... Talked about privacy and removing unwanted information. Garlik did a survey of government agencies and UK Data Protection Act. 13:19:45 On IRC I see mib_84g3c5, Viktor, bblfish, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, mischat, oshani, renato, AlexKorth, danbri, melvster, AdamB, pchampin, raphael, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, trackbot, 13:19:47 ... uldis, dom, AlexPassant 13:20:03 ... Should we look at privacy policies of current social networks? 13:20:16 makes sense to me too 13:20:48 i wrote about this recently http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf 13:21:12 DKA: Privacy and context go hand in hand. Being tagged in a photo could invade your privacy. Some regulations are EU-wide. Some similar work in US? 13:21:18 "Privacy doesn't mean anything in isolation." 13:22:21 mischat: Don't want to just look at policies. I'm a developer, so tagged technology aspect on at end. 13:22:38 ... can people add further comments to Wiki page. 13:22:50 zakim, mute me 13:22:50 mischat should now be muted 13:22:55 it works danbri 13:23:31 danbri: Talked to Flikr last year. One of their concerns about FOAF is reusability of data vs privacy. 13:23:32 i tried to allude to this in the text, but good point danbri 13:24:00 Privacy starts when there is an observer. 13:24:13 ... Something on Twitter shows up on other sites very quickly. Aggregate sites. 13:24:47 oops I'd like to add something to this 13:24:48 DKA: danbri has an idea of a universal human right of people taking down information about themselves. 13:25:00 ZoneTag project used geo-tagged photos and social networks to do face detection by what was known as Yahoo research berkeley 13:25:13 http://zonetag.research.yahoo.com/ 13:25:16 danbri: One of the strongest arguments companies have about not opening up their data is privacy. 13:25:20 I volunteer 13:25:37 ACTION oshani to document takedowns as a user story 13:25:37 Created ACTION-10 - Document takedowns as a user story [on Oshani Seneviratne - due 2009-05-27]. 13:25:44 :) 13:25:54 take downs, by which i mean "if some chunk of social web data about me happens on site x, then flows to y and z ... and then i tell site x to take it down and they do, ... how can site x communicate this to y and z...?" 13:25:56 +q 13:26:11 ack mib 13:26:11 (what danbri said) 13:26:27 bblfish would like to add himself to speaker queue 13:26:29 oshani, is that line above a reasonable start towards user story? 13:26:36 mib_84g3c5: Privacy is important, but portability is too. Shouldn't ignore one at expense of other. 13:27:18 danbri, could you detail a bit more 13:27:20 danbri, we are working on something called "Propagators" with Sussman these days... it sounds like the same idea 13:27:25 Maybe it should be renamed "Context and Privacy" 13:27:26 so yes 13:27:45 ... We want to be able to share context in an open, re-usable way. 13:28:00 how is context different than any other form of data ? 13:28:01 DKA: agreed. Must look at both topics. 13:28:09 mib_84g3c: no, privacy is not sdedecracy but control over data reach. thus, these aspects are inclu 13:28:16 zakim, unmute me 13:28:16 mischat should no longer be muted 13:28:17 ack mis 13:28:35 I am on speaker queue, or I don't know how to get onto it 13:28:40 * mib_84g3c: no, privacy is not secrecy but control over data reach. thus, these aspects are included 13:28:45 mischat: How is context different than any other form of data? Privacy vs sharing context == privacy vs sharing other data. 13:28:47 q+ 13:28:53 ack karl 13:28:54 ack karl 13:28:56 zakim, mute me 13:28:57 mischat should now be muted 13:28:58 q+ 13:29:06 danbri, with takedowns, we are assuming a push-based model, isn't it? 13:29:17 i was trying not to assume a particular protocol model 13:29:28 "Data Republishing on the Social Web" touches the subject of propagation (http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-447/paper8.pdf) 13:29:30 downstream sites might have responsibility to poll the source 13:29:43 okay so both push and pull 13:29:58 (i'll meet marc canter for a beer tommorrow btw, he might know what some companies are doing) 13:29:59 karl: Possibility for people to remove data / control data lifetime. DRM is related topic. Right now, there's very little possibility for people to remove data. 13:30:31 ack bblfish 13:30:42 DKA: Yes, important issue, but this isn't the only aspect we need to discuss. Henry... 13:31:01 the push/pull aspect is part technology or protocol (even if non-computery) ... but the user story i think should be mostly at the level "Hey, i took this off the Web here ,... why is it still on the Web here here and here...." (without trying to specify some kind of impossibly complete DRM-for-people-data) 13:31:08 bblfish: if two people say the same thing, depending on who says it, it can take on a different meaning. 13:31:44 ... If I say that I' a good worker, it doesn't have the same authority as if my employer says it. 13:31:51 agreed bblfish 13:31:58 danbri, agreed 13:32:06 ... Can we work this in? 13:32:11 q+ 13:32:15 DKA: We need to have a user story for this. 13:32:19 bblfish "freedom of expression is important ... to express what they want to say ... but need to keep track of who-said-what" 13:32:20 ack misch 13:33:16 mischat: Following on from Henry. Hassan something was thought by authorities to be a terrorist. They had lots of third-party facts. 13:33:38 ... But he had IP addresses, context info that he could use as an alibi. 13:33:44 zakim, mute me 13:33:44 mischat should now be muted 13:34:03 tinkster: "Providence" is the word to sum this up. 13:34:04 so that's related to trust, right 13:34:06 (mischat, can you spell his name? wouldn't want to match him against the wrong person ...) 13:34:16 yeah i getting a link now 13:34:21 there is the notion of speech acts 13:34:27 to be taken into account 13:34:44 I talked about him in this http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17123/1/ohara_et_al_idis_lifelogging.pdf , this is his personal website http://trackingtransience.net/ 13:34:51 DKA: General consensus that context and privacy belong as one TF and Portability separate. 13:35:06 ... We need to decide this and who will lead them. 13:35:14 zakim, unmute me 13:35:14 karl was not muted, karl 13:35:38 For example, an art professor at Rutgers, Hasan Elahi, who was arrested in 13:35:38 2002 on serious terrorism allegations despite being absolutely innocent of any 13:35:38 criminal or terrorist activity, has taken to lifelogging and posting the information on 13:35:39 the Web as a pre-emptive alibi 13:35:47 karl: What would be the deliverables for the TFs? A document? A section for the general report? 13:35:59 For example, an art professor at Rutgers, Hasan Elahi, who was arrested in 2002 on serious terrorism allegations despite being absolutely innocent of any criminal or terrorist activity, has taken to lifelogging and posting the information on 13:35:59 the Web as a pre-emptive alibi. 13:36:24 q? 13:36:32 DKA: The deliverable should be something which flows into XG report. 13:36:36 danbri: agrees. 13:37:09 all kinds of other goodness might come out of TFs, ... but they should always keep in mind we need good materials for our final publication 13:37:17 DKA: Once we set up a task force, the leader would need to set up discussions and generally lead the TF, but somebody else might be assigned as editor for the TF's deliverables. 13:37:35 are there templates for these things ? 13:37:52 (no templates yet afaik) 13:38:08 karl: A template would help a lot. 13:38:49 ... We need user stories, what kind of solutions could exist. 13:38:55 cool 13:38:57 This is an example xg report, for web content labels (which flowed into POWDER): http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/ 13:39:15 ACTION karl to produce a template for TF deliverables. 13:39:15 Created ACTION-11 - Produce a template for TF deliverables. [on Karl Dubost - due 2009-05-27]. 13:39:53 i've added takedown text from here into http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Document_Takedowns.3F_Propagators 13:40:14 DKA: Good example XG report - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/ - we need TF chairs, but also good wordsmiths. 13:40:21 wonsuk has joined #swxg 13:40:48 DKA: Can we talk about invited guests, now? 13:40:56 so what are the task forces? 13:41:25 TFs: fine 13:41:27 "Context & Privacy" , "Data Portability & Architectures" 13:41:37 (1 mins, looking for a link) 13:42:16 DKA: Proposed TFs : "Context & Privacy" , "Data Portability & Architectures". Also Christine has offered to lead work on business and landscape, which are part of work of XG, not a TF. 13:42:39 +1 to the 2 task forces 13:42:41 +1 13:42:43 +1 13:42:44 +1 13:42:47 +1 13:42:48 +1 13:42:50 +1 13:42:51 tinkster: I'm happy with these. Architectures = Distrib Arch, right? 13:42:53 q+ to store links re invited guests ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests and http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics 13:42:54 +1 13:43:07 +1 for 2 TF 13:43:23 +1 13:43:24 danbri: I put in the "Data Protection" user story in a rush this morning, I wanted to hint at what you have put placeholders for, so please feel free to remove/mangle as appropriate 13:43:28 ack dan 13:43:28 danbri, you wanted to store links re invited guests ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/InvitedGuests and 13:43:30 ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics 13:43:30 DKA: People should think about whether they want to lead. 13:43:35 TOPIC: invited guests 13:44:05 danbri: There's two pages on Wiki - Invited Guests page. 13:44:13 ... contributed by Harry, cleaned by danbri. 13:44:33 i have added in some people in context and privacy (people should feel free to delete as appropriate) 13:44:48 ... Other page is DiscussionTopics. Better to discuss specific topics than just bringing people in for open-ended talks. 13:45:27 ... First topic suggested is widget platforms. Can we do something useful here by putting people in touch who aren't currently working with each other? 13:45:51 ... vCard/PortableContext/FOAF is another one suggested by Harry. 13:45:53 perhaps I should move the privacy and context stuff out.... 13:46:31 DKA: Involved with widgets. This is something we should look at, but after Widgets F2F, 9-11 June. 13:46:32 DKA: art barstow pushed this (widgets discussion) til after their f2f ... 9th to 11th june 13:47:09 DKA: We should have someone from Opera represented as a guest. 13:47:17 danbri: I could chase Chaals. 13:47:48 DKA: Mark (?) would with Chaals and might be a candidate. 13:48:01 ACTION danbri to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets. 13:48:01 Created ACTION-12 - Find someone from Opera to talk Widgets. [on Dan Brickley - due 2009-05-27]. 13:49:02 danbri: Not completely convinced that vCard discussion is best way of doing this. Would be happy if everyone used FOAF, but that might be a conflict of interest. 13:49:17 hehe 13:49:17 danbri: When is the right stage to bring in non-RDF-converts? 13:49:19 kick-out music 13:49:25 ooooh it is the music of the group! 13:49:28 zakim, who is speaking? 13:49:31 yeah, we have music! :) 13:49:35 wow :-) 13:49:35 The official SWXG anthem is playing again. 13:49:36 yes, we had that before 13:49:37 ok everyone be quiet 13:49:39 danbri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (56%), danbri (18%), HenryStory (94%) 13:49:46 henry? 13:49:48 zakim, mute bbl 13:49:48 sorry, DKA, I do not know which phone connection belongs to bbl 13:49:48 yes 13:49:50 it must be our theme song 13:49:51 zakim, mute henrystory 13:49:51 HenryStory should now be muted 13:49:56 ? 13:49:58 busted! 13:50:03 :D 13:50:03 ???? 13:50:05 ahah! 13:50:06 -1 on music 13:50:08 It's not me 13:50:09 zakim, unmute henrystory 13:50:09 HenryStory should no longer be muted 13:50:15 zakim, mute henrystory 13:50:15 HenryStory should now be muted 13:50:19 hehe 13:50:25 bblfish: I'm not music source. 13:50:28 henrystory is our official composer 13:50:32 Everyone else: yes, you are. 13:50:57 DKA: is it our role to get groups to work out their problems in our conference calls? 13:51:04 I wonder if henrystory music enters in the privacy & context section. 13:51:10 very difficult to proove my innocence.... 13:51:38 danbri: very different dynamics between "protocol people" and "schema people". RDF world allows various different schemas to play in one model. 13:52:10 ... Protocol work is more about software architecture. 13:52:50 tinkster: FOAF could certainly benefit from some vCard stuff. (tel, adr) 13:52:56 does TF "Data Portability & Architectures" end up with protocol and exchange format recommendations anyway? 13:53:10 can it be done as fact-finding exercise? with some template ... 13:53:18 eg. issues faced, opportunities, plans, ....? 13:53:21 DKA: wants to avoid conference calls entirely consisting of arguments between two external groups. 13:53:27 these vocabs probably all fit together one way or another 13:53:33 i wonder if we should invite experts when we have some good questions ready ? 13:53:45 ... But good to identify communities working on same problem but in isolation. 13:54:24 mischat, right. we should collect and agree on questions for our guests. 13:54:26 ... Wiki page for discovering overlapping topics/communities. 13:54:59 danbri: Can we have a template for collecting info from communities "what have you achieved over last year? what problems have you had?" 13:55:09 - +1.510.931.aabb 13:55:15 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:55:21 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:55:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/20-swxg-minutes.html karl 13:55:42 danbri: Anyone think this is useful? Do you have any ideas about what these templates should look like? 13:55:49 i think it is a good idea, i wouldn't know where to start with template 13:55:50 [sound of silence] 13:55:57 just like mischat :) 13:56:38 action: danbri sketch a 5 line template for interaction with other groups (cf InvitedExperts, DiscussionTopics) 13:56:39 Created ACTION-13 - Sketch a 5 line template for interaction with other groups (cf InvitedExperts, DiscussionTopics) [on Dan Brickley - due 2009-05-27]. 13:56:45 DKA: Coming to end of hour. AOB? 13:56:59 zakim, who is muted? 13:56:59 I see tinkster, oshani, mischat, HenryStory, pchampin, uldis muted 13:57:00 q+ to ask about SPARQL WG liaison 13:57:04 ... proposal about changing time of meeting? 13:57:37 ... Two hour meeting, with second hour for a task force. We should defer this until TFs established. 13:57:38 can we have section in the wiki for the task forces ? I could move the text i wrote to that section from the http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics section 13:57:44 ack alex 13:57:44 AlexPassant, you wanted to ask about SPARQL WG liaison 13:58:17 there was a lot of b/g noise there 13:58:18 AlexPassant: Should we have a liason with SPARQL WG? 13:58:37 ... Alex can act as a liason. 13:58:39 -pchampin 13:58:43 pchampin has left #swxg 13:58:54 nope 13:58:55 re liaison with SPARQL ,are there specific technical scenarios that are relevant to the two groups? eg. 1. Oauth for SPARQL protocol 2. SPARQL extensions for social graph analytics 13:59:02 DKA: Yes, this seems useful. Can this go on the Wiki. We need a liason wiki page. 13:59:08 and the federated sparql query ? 13:59:11 do those examples make sense' 13:59:15 yep and federated 13:59:23 s/'/?/ 13:59:28 yes 13:59:29 ACTION AlexPassant to create a liasons list on the Wiki and list himself for SPARQL. 13:59:29 Created ACTION-14 - Create a liasons list on the Wiki and list himself for SPARQL. [on Alexandre Passant - due 2009-05-27]. 13:59:32