IRC log of swd on 2009-05-19

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Meeting: SemWeb Deployment Working Group

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rrsagent, please make record public

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+Ralph

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+??P39

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zakim, ??P39 is me

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+seanb; got it

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+ +1.607.341.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is Jon

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+Jon; got it

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+??P43

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zakim, ??P43 is me

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+Antoine; got it

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009May/0064.html

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-> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-05-05

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zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, seanb, +1.607.341.aaaa, Jon, Antoine

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+[LC]

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zakim, lc is Ed

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+Ed; got it

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+Guus_Schreiber

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Chair: Guus

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zakim, pick a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose seanb

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scribe: Ralph

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Topic: Admin

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RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html

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PROPOSED next telecon 2 June

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RESOLVED next telecon 2 June

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Topic: SKOS

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ editor's draftof SKOS Reference

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(currently $Revision 1.8$

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Sean: editorial tweaks discussed in mail are almost complete

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... so nearly done w/Reference

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[DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for SKOS Reference

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[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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[DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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Guus: issue-214 still open

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Antoine: That doesn't really concern SKOS; it's about RDFa

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Jon: that was my feeling as well

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/214 issue 214

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Ed: DanBri's comment was about something in loc.gov

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s/Jon:/Ed:/

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Ralph: is DanBri citing something in one of our documents?

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Guus: no, an LC document

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Antoine: so change the tracker product to RDFa

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Ralph: but if this is going to be a frequent mistake maybe we should consider adding some advice

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Guus: that could go in the Primer

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Ralph: yes

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Guus: so we conclude this does not affect the Reference?

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+1

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[no objections]

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+1

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+1

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Guus: therefore no outstanding CR comments

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Sean: regarding URIs in Appendix C

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... there are references to namespace documents

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... which URIs should I use?

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Guus: we'll take that up in a moment

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to raise issue-214 with rdfa tf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090427.html SKOS Primer Editor's Draft

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Ralph: I presumed we'd publish the Primer together with the Reference Proposed Rec

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Guus: yes

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-- Implementation Report

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Antoine: I added some historical notes

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... and added links to the issue tracker

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementation.html implementation report

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Guus: I suggest publishing the Use Cases as a Group Note at the same time as the Proposed Rec

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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html

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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html#Candidate

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Antoine: I added cross-references to the UCR

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PROPOSED: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a Group Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published

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+1

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RESOLVED: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a Group Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published

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-- Namespace document

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Guus: what's the state of the labels in the namespace document?

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Sean: discussion on the list

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... there's an HTML variant and an RDF/XML variant

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... the HTML variant had a lot of additional text which I've removed and put in an appendix

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... so each variant only describes itself

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... I believe the content is now OK

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... the SKOS namespace document is served via content negotiation

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... what URIs should I use for the OWL DL subset and the SKOS XL RDF/XML variant?

15:38:23 [seanb]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#namespace-documents Appendix C

15:40:17 [Ralph]

Guus: the reference to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl in C.4. looks correct

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Ralph: we've used that URI before, so OK to keep using it

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Sean: what URI to use for the OWL 1 DL subset?

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Guus: have we published it before?

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Sean: no, but it is in the directory

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Ralph: there's no particular reason why we could not use the 2008/04/skos/ space

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Guus: and this is the DL version of the schema in 2008/04/skos

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Sean: what should we call it?

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skos-owl1-dl.rdf ?

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Guus: fine with me

15:43:47 [seanb]

I meant 2004/02/skos/skos-owl1-dl.rdf ??

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s|2008/04|2004/02

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2004/02/skos/owl1-dl.rdf

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?

15:44:33 [Ralph]

Sean: skos/owl1-dl.rdf is fine with me

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Ralph: ok with me too

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... it's a new RDF namespace so we'll need Director's approval

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Guus: send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for review

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ACTION: Sean send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for review

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-- Implementation Report

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Guus: looking at the issues list, of 29 issues 27 refer to implementations

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... so I think there's ample evidence that the SKOS specification is being implemented

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Sean: I'm slightly worried that the capture of the various constructs used in each vocabulary is not exhaustive

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... the reports were not necessarily completely explicit

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... in particular, I'm not sure that ordered collections have been implemented

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... but 2 implementations do claim to use -xl

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Guus: I couldn't find any details on the -xl implementations

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Antoine: we do have one vocabulary that would benefit from label relations but we've not yet done it

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Sean: I have an email from @@ that I could ask him to send to the list

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Guus: -xl is an extension anyway

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... it's clear that the main part of SKOS, in particular the mapping relations, is heavily used

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... I don't feel the Group needs to put enormous effort into a systematic analysis

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... with 27 implementations I feel we can say we're done

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Sean: I'm happy to go with that

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Guus: I'm happy to write some text with my findings for the transition request

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Sean: can I consider this implementation report to be completed then?

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... I'll paste the two tables into the HTML document

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementation.html implementation report generated from the issues tracker

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Sean: there are two additional tables generated from a Google spreadsheet

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-> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rmQPwhMMWXxY62FinzE44Eg google doc

15:54:21 [Ralph]

Sean: should I paste the spreadsheet table into the implementation report?

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Guus: yes

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Ralph: yes

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Sean: it's a hassle to do that paste so I'd like to do it only once

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Guus: how about an image paste?

15:55:03 [Ralph]

Ralph: no, that would be frowned on

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Guus: I suggest freezing it now

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... the implementation report does not have to be exhaustive

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Sean: OK, I'll freeze and paste later today

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[DONE] ACTION: Sean to look for SKOS constructs not used by current implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Sean to complete implementation report by 19th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation

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Topic: Transition Request

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Guus: we've met the CR exit criteria

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PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/

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PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with Appendix C edits

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+1

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-Ralph

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RESOLVED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with Appendix C edits

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scribenick:Antoine

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ACTION: Guus to prepare the request for PR

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Guus: once PR is requested, the WG gets out of the loop, and advisory committee vote, and the director takes direction

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s/direction/decision

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ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]

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--CONTINUES

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ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]

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--CONTINUES

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ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]

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--CONTINUES

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ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]

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--CONTINUES

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ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]

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--CONTINUES

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-Ed

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-seanb

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-Jon

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-Guus_Schreiber

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Zakim, list participants

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As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, seanb, +1.607.341.aaaa, Jon, Antoine, Ed, Guus_Schreiber

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html Antoine

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I just got in from the airport - anyone there?

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Hi Tom!

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We're just done.

16:11:56 [TomB]

hi sean

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any particular issues arise or all okay?

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Attendees were Ralph, seanb, +1.607.341.aaaa, Jon, Antoine, Ed, Guus_Schreiber

17:19:22 [seanb]

Ralph -- are you there?

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One more question about namespaces.... :-)

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