IRC log of mwts on 2009-05-19

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15:00:15 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be MWI_TS
15:00:15 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot, I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM already started
15:00:16 [trackbot]: Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
15:00:16 [trackbot]: Date: 19 May 2009
15:00:46 [dom]: zakim, who's on the call?
15:00:46 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P4
15:01:09 [Carmelo]: I am trying to get there
15:01:15 [Zakim]: +Carmelo
15:01:21 [Zakim]: +??P9
15:01:22 [Zakim]: -??P9
15:01:24 [Zakim]: +??P9
15:01:29 [Zakim]: +Dom
15:01:30 [Zakim]: +wilhelm
15:01:52 [dom]: zakim, ??P4 is Kai
15:01:52 [Zakim]: +Kai; got it
15:01:57 [dom]: zakim, ??P9 is dmitri
15:01:59 [Zakim]: +dmitri; got it
15:02:17 [Zakim]: -wilhelm
15:02:45 [dom]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009May/0017.html
15:02:46 [Zakim]: +wilhelm
15:02:49 [dom]: Chair: Wilhelm
15:03:05 [dom]: Topic: Widgets testing
15:03:15 [dom]: -> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets/tests/ Widgets tests
15:03:19 [dom]: ACTION-47?
15:03:19 [trackbot]: ACTION-47 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to follow-up on publishing details about SPARTAN -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN
15:03:19 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/47
15:03:20 [dmitri]: dmitri has joined #mwts
15:03:32 [dom]: Wilhelm: I have started to write a post
15:03:36 [dom]: ACTION-47 closed
15:03:37 [trackbot]: ACTION-47 Follow-up on publishing details about SPARTAN closed
15:03:46 [dom]: ACTION: Wilhelm to draft a blog post on SPARTAN
15:03:46 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-52 - Draft a blog post on SPARTAN [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-05-26].
15:03:59 [dom]: ACTION-2?
15:03:59 [trackbot]: ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
15:03:59 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
15:04:19 [dom]: Kai: I've been exchanging with Robert - good dialog going
15:04:28 [dom]: ... added a couple of tests, but nothing substantial
15:04:45 [dom]: ... the problem is that the widget spec is going through big changes
15:05:06 [dom]: ACTION-36?
15:05:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-36 -- Kai Hendry to provide a tour of WTF during a call -- due 2009-05-05 -- OPEN
15:05:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/36
15:05:31 [dom]: -> http://dabase.com/blog/Widget_Test_Framework/ WTF Tour on Kai's post
15:06:06 [dom]: ACTION-36 closed
15:06:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-36 Provide a tour of WTF during a call closed
15:06:38 [hendry]: http://wtf.webvm.net/
15:06:38 [dom]: Kai: quick tour: point your browser to wtf.webvm.net with opera and try one of the widget
15:07:06 [dom]: ... still early days, but Robert has been ensuring me that WTF will be open-sourced
15:07:15 [dom]: ... once that happens I can start investing in it
15:07:24 [dom]: ... would help transparency too
15:07:36 [dom]: Wilhelm: it should happen
15:07:44 [dom]: Topic: Memory test
15:07:51 [dom]: -> http://qa-dev.w3.org/2009/memory-test/ Memory Test
15:07:54 [dom]: ACTION-48?
15:07:54 [trackbot]: ACTION-48 -- Kai Hendry to look again into memory test wrt failures at high memory levels -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN
15:07:54 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/48
15:08:28 [dom]: Kai: the original test script was in shell, which triggered problems with Apache (memory, timeout, etc)
15:08:39 [dom]: ... I suspect we would get rid of these problems with PHP
15:09:14 [dom]: Dom: installed it
15:09:41 [dom]: ACTION: Kai to retest memory test with his devices
15:09:41 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-53 - Retest memory test with his devices [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-05-26].
15:09:48 [dom]: ACTION: Wilhelm to retest memory test with his devices
15:09:48 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-54 - Retest memory test with his devices [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-05-26].
15:10:12 [dom]: Dom: do we need to re-raise the limit in the script?
15:10:31 [dom]: Kai: probably not, it's already pretty high
15:11:19 [dom]: ... 8.6 MB
15:11:26 [dom]: ACTION-48 closed
15:11:26 [trackbot]: ACTION-48 Look again into memory test wrt failures at high memory levels closed
15:11:39 [dom]: Topic: Device Indenpendent Testing Guidelines
15:11:42 [dom]: ACTION-49?
15:11:42 [trackbot]: ACTION-49 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to present the DITG to the W3C chairs -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN
15:11:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/49
15:11:47 [dom]: Topic: Web Compatibility Test
15:11:59 [dom]: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobile-test/ Web Compatibility Test (WCTMB)
15:12:02 [dom]: ACTION-44 closed
15:12:02 [trackbot]: ACTION-44 Publish updated WCTMB and post a blog about the update closed
15:12:07 [dom]: ACTION-39?
15:12:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-39 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look through Kai's proposals for new tests -- due 2009-05-05 -- OPEN
15:12:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/39
15:12:13 [dom]: ACTION-39 closed
15:12:13 [trackbot]: ACTION-39 Look through Kai's proposals for new tests closed
15:12:19 [dom]: Wilhelm: I've looked at it
15:12:26 [dom]: ... test on storage sounds like a good idea
15:12:35 [dom]: ... not sure about onload - just because I don't know enough about it
15:12:44 [dom]: ... we should also add tests about new things, e.g. selectors APIs
15:12:56 [dom]: ... but we need to discuss what the WCTMB should be
15:13:51 [dom]: ... maybe we should start looking at making a brand new version of the WCTMB
15:14:04 [dom]: Dom: I think that would start making sense
15:14:14 [dom]: ... recent suggestion of adding geolocation there too
15:15:39 [dom]: Kai: not sure we should start a new test for things that fit the current model
15:15:59 [dom]: Dom: think would be interesting - could use still a visual approach, maybe with a different look
15:16:30 [dom]: Kai: wouldn't want to abandon WCTMB, though
15:16:59 [dom]: Dom: we should still keep maintaining it and preserving it as a point of reference in time
15:17:02 [dom]: Kai: ok sounds good
15:17:30 [dom]: Wilhelm: I can start looking at that
15:17:38 [dom]: ACTION: Wilhelm to look at WCTMB2 ideas
15:17:38 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-55 - Look at WCTMB2 ideas [on Wilhelm Joys Andersen - due 2009-05-26].
15:18:02 [dom]: Kai: so Web Storage stuff would be there, right? will start playing with it
15:18:27 [dom]: ACTION-55 due 2 weeks
15:18:27 [trackbot]: ACTION-55 Look at WCTMB2 ideas due date now 2 weeks
15:18:39 [dom]: Topic: Blog
15:18:46 [dom]: ACTION-46 closed
15:18:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-46 Blog about DITG publication closed
15:18:55 [dom]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/blog/2009/05/15/making_web_technologies_robus_on_any_dev DITG announcement
15:18:58 [dom]: ACTION-50?
15:19:03 [trackbot]: ACTION-50 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to publish Carmelo's draft re memory test in the blog -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN
15:19:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/50
15:19:32 [dom]: Dom: will publish after our next round of tests
15:19:36 [dom]: ACTION-51?
15:19:36 [trackbot]: ACTION-51 -- Kai Hendry to draft a blog post on WTF -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN
15:19:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/51
15:20:18 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009May/0019.html Kai's draft post
15:20:44 [dom]: Dom: looked good to me
15:21:01 [dom]: Kai: what can I do about images? rather than linking to Flickr
15:21:10 [dom]: ACTION-45?
15:21:10 [trackbot]: ACTION-45 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to propose a plan for getting contributions from community -- due 2009-05-12 -- OPEN
15:21:10 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/45
15:21:16 [dom]: Topic: OMA
15:21:22 [dom]: ACTION-21?
15:21:22 [trackbot]: ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
15:21:22 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
15:21:25 [dom]: ACTION-14?
15:21:26 [trackbot]: ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
15:21:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
15:21:47 [dom]: Topic: Next meeting
15:21:54 [dom]: Regrets from Carmelo
15:22:10 [dom]: Next Meeting on May 26
15:22:19 [Zakim]: -Carmelo
15:22:20 [Zakim]: -Kai
15:22:21 [Zakim]: -wilhelm
15:22:22 [Zakim]: -dmitri
15:22:22 [Zakim]: -Dom
15:22:22 [Zakim]: MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:22:24 [Zakim]: Attendees were Carmelo, Dom, wilhelm, Kai, dmitri
15:22:39 [dom]: s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
15:22:42 [dom]: zakim, bye
15:22:42 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #mwts
15:22:46 [dom]: RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:22:46 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:26:07 [dom]: RRSAgent, bye
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-actions.rdf :
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Wilhelm to draft a blog post on SPARTAN [1]
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-irc#T15-03-46
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Kai to retest memory test with his devices [2]
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-irc#T15-09-41
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Wilhelm to retest memory test with his devices [3]
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-irc#T15-09-48
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Wilhelm to look at WCTMB2 ideas [4]
15:26:07 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-mwts-irc#T15-17-38