IRC log of bpwg on 2009-05-19

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:26:32 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #bpwg

13:26:32 [RRSAgent]

logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-bpwg-irc

13:26:34 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs public

13:26:34 [Zakim]

Zakim has joined #bpwg

13:26:36 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be BPWG

13:26:36 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

13:26:37 [trackbot]

Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

13:26:37 [trackbot]

Date: 19 May 2009

13:26:40 [francois]

chair: DKA

13:26:42 [francois]

Regrets: EdC, adam, jo, alanc, Bryan, jeffs, yeliz, sangwhan, rob

13:27:35 [abel_]

abel_ has joined #bpwg

13:28:30 [francois]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009May/0027.html

13:30:14 [DKA]

zakim, what is the code?

13:30:14 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DKA

13:30:19 [Zakim]

MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started

13:30:26 [Zakim]

+??P3

13:30:40 [DKA]

Zakim is giving me lip.

13:30:44 [Zakim]

+Francois

13:31:15 [Zakim]

+??P5

13:31:20 [francois]

zakim, ??P3 is brucel

13:31:20 [Zakim]

+brucel; got it

13:31:21 [brucel]

brucel has joined #bpwg

13:31:31 [brucel]

yo

13:31:31 [DKA]

zakim, ??p5 is me.

13:31:31 [Zakim]

+DKA; got it

13:31:41 [DKA]

zakim, who is here?

13:31:41 [Zakim]

On the phone I see brucel, Francois, DKA

13:31:42 [Zakim]

On IRC I see brucel, abel_, Zakim, RRSAgent, DKA, francois, trackbot

13:33:08 [Zakim]

+josema

13:33:25 [abel_]

zakim, josema is me

13:33:25 [Zakim]

+abel_; got it

13:34:49 [francois]

Regrets+ tom

13:35:07 [abel__]

abel__ has joined #bpwg

13:35:53 [francois]

Scribe: francois

13:36:17 [DKA]

Topic: MWABP: JSON parsing

13:37:02 [francois]

brucel: I talked to some of the guys in Opera. We don't have any formal tests that we've done and that we could share, but the "10 times" figure sounds correct to anyone.

13:37:39 [francois]

... whether we should reconsider is another topic, but the impact of performance is real.

13:37:49 [Zakim]

+Kai_Dietrich

13:37:49 [francois]

dka: ok, that's an important point.

13:39:26 [brucel]

Opera also agreed that security concerns are v important

13:39:34 [francois]

francois: dom replied with the same arguments I raised before.

13:40:11 [francois]

... The problem is with security. It's hard to write a BP that has security implications.

13:40:59 [brucel]

Anne van Kesteran just replied to me that "soon browsers will have native JSON parsers" but that's not a BP for now

13:41:03 [abel_]

abel_ has joined #bpwg

13:41:31 [francois]

dka: ok so we need to find some balance between security and performance

13:42:05 [francois]

Topic: MWABP - Kai's Hendry comment

13:42:13 [francois]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009AprJun/0002.html Kai Hendry's comment

13:43:02 [francois]

francois: it's more or less a suggestion that we have a BP around the use of OpenID

13:43:45 [francois]

dka: I think it's worth considering. Maybe not talking specifically about OpenID.

13:44:00 [francois]

... Do you think it fits into the mobile space?

13:44:09 [DKA]

ack franc

13:44:51 [SeanP]

SeanP has joined #bpwg

13:45:19 [jsmanrique]

jsmanrique has joined #bpwg

13:45:29 [DKA]

Francois: it may not be mobile enough and also with OpenID you need to enter a URI to log into a site so this might not be appropriate for the mobile space.

13:45:52 [DKA]

Francois: Also FOAF+SSL technology might remove the need to enter u+p but this is still an emerging technology.

13:46:34 [DKA]

Francois: I love OpenID but ...

13:46:54 [DKA]

So do I!

13:47:08 [Kai]

Kai has joined #bpwg

13:47:12 [Zakim]

+SeanP

13:47:33 [francois]

dka: my view would be that it's incorrect to have a BP that specifically calls out OpenID.

13:47:51 [brucel]

+1 with dka for usability issues

13:48:13 [francois]

... I think it's worth discussing on the mailing-list.

13:49:07 [francois]

... Using one OpenID could ease remembering of the URI by browsers, but that's not implemented in browsers for the time being AFAICT.

13:49:18 [Zakim]

+abel_.a

13:49:55 [francois]

Topic: Addendum to BP

13:50:28 [jsmanrique]

Zakim abel_.a is jsmanrique

13:50:37 [francois]

kai: the status really hasn't changed. Jo should reword to have some linguistic integrity within the document and set another editorial meeting.

13:51:21 [francois]

dka: I know Jo's really busy these days, so I'm a bit worried about that. Is it possible that we re-assign this action to someone else?

13:51:35 [francois]

kai: Phil Archer had offered to do that.

13:51:43 [francois]

dka: He's the one I had in mind, indeed.

13:52:33 [francois]

ACTION: dan to get in touch with Phil and Jo with a view to having the Addendum reviewed for consistency

13:52:34 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-963 - Get in touch with Phil and Jo with a view to having the Addendum reviewed for consistency [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-05-26].

13:53:03 [francois]

kai: I would be happy to do that as well.

13:53:13 [francois]

dka: let me start this, and I'll get out of the way.

13:53:33 [francois]

kai: good.

13:54:54 [francois]

... what about the second editorial session?

13:55:26 [francois]

francois: another one was planned indeed, but it's kind of linked to the above action on dan to see if Phil can replace Jo.

13:56:14 [francois]

Topic: CT

13:56:28 [francois]

dka: anything we could discuss?

13:56:50 [francois]

francois: I don't think so. We need to see the result of the discussion put into words. Editorial work.

13:56:56 [francois]

seanp: I agree with francois.

13:57:22 [francois]

dka: I guess that's another point to try to remove the addendum from Jo's hand so that he may focus on the CT guidelines.

13:57:23 [brucel]

More on the JSOn question: It would only make the app run 10x slower if evaling the incoming data is the major performance bottleneck. If that's the case you might be better off dumping json altogether and going for a format that is optimized for your needs rather than designed to be flexible (see e.g. [1] for an example complete with numbers).

13:57:23 [brucel]

13:57:23 [brucel]

[1] http://code.flickr.com/blog/2009/03/18/building-fast-client-side-searches/

13:58:18 [francois]

dka: any other point?

13:58:56 [francois]

francois: not from me. About relationship between WCAG and MWBP, the Education and Outreach WG is to review the doc on Friday. Hopefully publication early next week.

13:59:09 [DKA]

ACTION-692?

13:59:09 [trackbot]

ACTION-692 -- Sunghan Kim to provide some example BP statements based on the presentation he gave at Korea F2F -- due 2008-03-11 -- CLOSED

13:59:09 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/692

13:59:10 [francois]

Topic: Issues and Actions

13:59:30 [DKA]

ACTION-962?

13:59:30 [trackbot]

ACTION-962 -- François Daoust to reach out for comments on MWABP via the BPBlog -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN

13:59:30 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/962

14:00:18 [francois]

francois: I published a blog post, no comment received so far.

14:00:25 [francois]

close ACTION-962

14:00:25 [trackbot]

ACTION-962 Reach out for comments on MWABP via the BPBlog closed

14:00:54 [francois]

ACTION-959?

14:00:54 [trackbot]

ACTION-959 -- François Daoust to enact the resolution on XHTML Basic 1.1 revision - when it reaches rec -- due 2009-05-19 -- OPEN

14:00:54 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/959

14:01:45 [francois]

francois: this action is pending the publication of XHTML Basic 1.1 as a new Rec.

14:02:04 [francois]

dka: OK, I think we should probably close this call at this point. AOB?

14:02:49 [brucel]

hugs

14:02:51 [jsmanrique]

bye

14:02:54 [Zakim]

-Kai_Dietrich

14:03:02 [Zakim]

-abel_

14:03:06 [francois]

... Thanks everyone, we'll pick up the topics next week when we have more time and resources.

14:03:07 [SeanP]

bye

14:03:10 [Zakim]

-Francois

14:03:12 [brucel]

brucel has left #bpwg

14:03:16 [Zakim]

-SeanP

14:03:19 [Zakim]

-brucel

14:03:21 [Zakim]

-jsmanrique

14:03:26 [Zakim]

-DKA

14:03:28 [Zakim]

MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended

14:03:29 [Zakim]

Attendees were Francois, brucel, DKA, abel_, Kai_Dietrich, SeanP, jsmanrique

14:04:44 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

14:04:44 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-bpwg-minutes.html francois

14:08:02 [abel__]

abel__ has joined #bpwg

14:26:17 [francois]

RRSAgent, bye

14:26:17 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-bpwg-actions.rdf :

14:26:17 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: dan to get in touch with Phil and Jo with a view to having the Addendum reviewed for consistency [1]

14:26:17 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-bpwg-irc#T13-52-33

14:26:19 [francois]

zakim, bye

14:26:19 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #bpwg